The schellacking will be televised

QBREES9 · 09-13-2017, 11:04 PM

Hey we're not the JETS. Yes we have are problems. But we're not the JETS. Just End The Season.

foreverfan · 09-13-2017, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Maybe it's time the Saints stop screwing around worrying about defense. Stop drafting defensive players, and go all offense. Become that team again who can outscore anyone, anytime, no matter what. Fill the defense with some cheap free agents, and undrafted rookies, and hope for the best. At least the Saints would win 10-11 games and have a shot at another championship.

Originally Posted by neugey

I suppose we could make every kick an onside kick. It would give Morestead something to do if we won't punt anymore.

Yea... only sign FAs on defense and draft only offense players. Sounds great... How long do you think that will work?

QBREES9 · 09-13-2017, 11:11 PM

My wife is a Pats fan, we can't let this happen

Beastmode · 09-13-2017, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

We're gonna shock the world!!!

Yeah...no

QBREES9 · 09-13-2017, 11:25 PM

Yes. Yes we are!!!!

spkb25 · 09-14-2017, 04:30 AM

Wasn't Jack Del Rio available as a Dcoord prior to getting his second head coaching gig? We could have hired Wade as well, which is who I wanted us to hire.

dizzle88 · 09-14-2017, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Wasn't Jack Del Rio available as a Dcoord prior to getting his second head coaching gig? We could have hired Wade as well, which is who I wanted us to hire.

Jim Schwartz, Del Rio, Wade Phillips were all available, Payton chose his buddy instead.

MatthewT · 09-14-2017, 05:44 AM

I don't think it matters who the defense coordinator is. The common denominator appears to be Sean Payton's philosophy, whatever that may be. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for Payton to sit back and play the role of motivator/cheerleader, and let Pete Carmichael have 100 percent control of the offense, and Dennis Allen 100 percent control of the defense, and let's see what happens. Obviously something is not right and hasn't been for years.

dizzle88 · 09-14-2017, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

I don't think it matters who the defense coordinator is. The common denominator appears to be Sean Payton's philosophy, whatever that may be. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for Payton to sit back and play the role of motivator/cheerleader, and let Pete Carmichael have 100 percent control of the offense, and Dennis Allen 100 percent control of the defense, and let's see what happens. Obviously something is not right and hasn't been for years.

As much as I agree with you, Payton is far too big headed and full of himself to take a back seat when it's obvious he's the problem.

We all know Pete Carmichael is a better OC than Payton and it now seems Payton gets too involved with defense, which is nowhere near his strong suit.

jeanpierre · 09-14-2017, 06:00 AM

Well, when you waste six plus years see-sawing back and forth over what kind of scheme you want to run, drafting personnel for a 4-3 and then for a 3-4 only to go back to a 4-3, you can expect these kind of results...

Firmly believe Payton the Coach would be fine with a strong GM who actually built the team, both personnel and defensive coaches, and who could veto Payton on personnel moves...

Payton gets in trouble when he has too much control with no checks and balances (see Jeff Fisher, Chip Kelly, Chuck Pagano); the only guy that's been able to do it is Bill Belichick, but in the Pat's HC's rare candid interviews, Belichick talks about actually listening, trusting his people...

Agree with the criticism that D.A. is basically a yes man (he's been a HC and he's not HC material) and that's why Payton hasn't seen this defense continue to improve as communication seems to be a problem with D.A. and that's why he has such a strong support staff in place (i.e. Nolan, Nielsen, Glenn)...

The one guy who challenged Payton during his tenure, Williams, well you could tell it was still personal when Payton chose to show the entire playbook against the Rams last season - this was the worst side of Payton I've seen besides the public bullying of Ryan on the sidelines...

With Payton having absolute organizational power and a 92yo, virtually cuckolded, team owner in Benson who's just happy to be alive at this point with his one Superbowl ring, Payton has to show rare self-discipline and continue this path he's started of actually listening and trusting good people he's brought in (i.e. Ireland, Nolan)...

If not, he will find himself in the same trajectory as Jim Mora after he lost Jim Finks - ruining the good will and legacy he's built with the fans...

09-13-2017, 11:04 PM	#21
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: The schellacking will be televised Hey we're not the JETS. Yes we have are problems. But we're not the JETS. Just End The Season. CharityMike likes this.

09-13-2017, 11:06 PM	#22
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The schellacking will be televised Originally Posted by MatthewT Maybe it's time the Saints stop screwing around worrying about defense. Stop drafting defensive players, and go all offense. Become that team again who can outscore anyone, anytime, no matter what. Fill the defense with some cheap free agents, and undrafted rookies, and hope for the best. At least the Saints would win 10-11 games and have a shot at another championship. Originally Posted by neugey I suppose we could make every kick an onside kick. It would give Morestead something to do if we won't punt anymore. Yea... only sign FAs on defense and draft only offense players. Sounds great... How long do you think that will work? jnormand, jeanpierre and Beastmode like this.

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09-13-2017, 11:13 PM	#24
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09-14-2017, 04:30 AM	#26
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: The schellacking will be televised Wasn't Jack Del Rio available as a Dcoord prior to getting his second head coaching gig? We could have hired Wade as well, which is who I wanted us to hire. foreverfan and dizzle88 like this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Re: The schellacking will be televised Originally Posted by spkb25 Wasn't Jack Del Rio available as a Dcoord prior to getting his second head coaching gig? We could have hired Wade as well, which is who I wanted us to hire. Jim Schwartz, Del Rio, Wade Phillips were all available, Payton chose his buddy instead.

09-14-2017, 05:44 AM	#28
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: The schellacking will be televised I don't think it matters who the defense coordinator is. The common denominator appears to be Sean Payton's philosophy, whatever that may be. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for Payton to sit back and play the role of motivator/cheerleader, and let Pete Carmichael have 100 percent control of the offense, and Dennis Allen 100 percent control of the defense, and let's see what happens. Obviously something is not right and hasn't been for years. dizzle88 likes this.

09-14-2017, 05:55 AM	#29
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Re: The schellacking will be televised Originally Posted by MatthewT I don't think it matters who the defense coordinator is. The common denominator appears to be Sean Payton's philosophy, whatever that may be. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for Payton to sit back and play the role of motivator/cheerleader, and let Pete Carmichael have 100 percent control of the offense, and Dennis Allen 100 percent control of the defense, and let's see what happens. Obviously something is not right and hasn't been for years. As much as I agree with you, Payton is far too big headed and full of himself to take a back seat when it's obvious he's the problem. We all know Pete Carmichael is a better OC than Payton and it now seems Payton gets too involved with defense, which is nowhere near his strong suit. MatthewT and neugey like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: The schellacking will be televised Well, when you waste six plus years see-sawing back and forth over what kind of scheme you want to run, drafting personnel for a 4-3 and then for a 3-4 only to go back to a 4-3, you can expect these kind of results... Firmly believe Payton the Coach would be fine with a strong GM who actually built the team, both personnel and defensive coaches, and who could veto Payton on personnel moves... Payton gets in trouble when he has too much control with no checks and balances (see Jeff Fisher, Chip Kelly, Chuck Pagano); the only guy that's been able to do it is Bill Belichick, but in the Pat's HC's rare candid interviews, Belichick talks about actually listening, trusting his people... Agree with the criticism that D.A. is basically a yes man (he's been a HC and he's not HC material) and that's why Payton hasn't seen this defense continue to improve as communication seems to be a problem with D.A. and that's why he has such a strong support staff in place (i.e. Nolan, Nielsen, Glenn)... The one guy who challenged Payton during his tenure, Williams, well you could tell it was still personal when Payton chose to show the entire playbook against the Rams last season - this was the worst side of Payton I've seen besides the public bullying of Ryan on the sidelines... With Payton having absolute organizational power and a 92yo, virtually cuckolded, team owner in Benson who's just happy to be alive at this point with his one Superbowl ring, Payton has to show rare self-discipline and continue this path he's started of actually listening and trusting good people he's brought in (i.e. Ireland, Nolan)... If not, he will find himself in the same trajectory as Jim Mora after he lost Jim Finks - ruining the good will and legacy he's built with the fans... MatthewT, neugey, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.
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