Somehow I don't think we are done

K Major · 09-18-2017, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

But things are transitioning and while emotions are rightfully running high after two nationally televised embarrassments, things are going to get better...[/B]

JP,

With all due respect, it's been 3+ years (see record) of sub par play performances, not just the first two nationally televised games. This team has been bad for a while.

jeanpierre · 09-19-2017, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

JP,

With all due respect, it's been 3+ years (see record) of sub par play performances, not just the first two nationally televised games. This team has been bad for a while.

Major, keep asking these questions and all here need to ask themselves...

Consider if Sean Payton, three years ago, would have fired Vitt, Johnson, McMahon?

Is the coaching stafff better than it was three ago?

Consider our defensive line, linebackers, cornerbacks, are they better deeper than three years ago?

Is the personnel better than it was three years ago?

Consider our kicking game, specifically our placekicker...

Is that position better than it was three years ago?

Look, many of these changes were looooong overdue, Payton was slow to do them and only having been the only guy to deliver a Lombardi and a 92yo owner gave him that time...

You've responded, liked/disliked my posts as much as anyone and you know how critical I've been of Payton the GM, Loomis the YesMan, and the Front Office needing to restructure...

So things like extended Nick Fairley without a more intense cardio workup with knowledge of him having cardio anomalies...

And the Saints Front Office and Payton acknowledged they screwed up and it's saved a life - Jon Dorenbos...

There's two (2) things that I'd say I'd be critical of at this point that Payton needs to address, and quickly if he's to save this season, and likely his job...

First, he's got to make a decision by the BYE week if D.A. is his man or if it's time to move on; don't think Payton didn't bring in Mike Nolan just to coach LBers - he's the backup plan...

Second, we screwed up shifting every two years between schemes, and I'm not sold on Rankins (Hicks, now with Chicago looks better)...

It may be time to put Rankins in a part-time role (like Fairley) and rotate those D-Lineman, giving them all a chance to eat, and be fresh for for 4 quarters...

We may just have to let Payton and this team regurgitate the remnant poor play and poor decision making to get that groove back...

And though the losses were embarrassing, they weren't against division foes, so lets let the first quarter of the season play out...

jeanpierre · 09-21-2017, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

JP,

With all due respect, it's been 3+ years (see record) of sub par play performances, not just the first two nationally televised games. This team has been bad for a while.

I know what the records have been (boy, do I know) but how many games did we lose on one play, sometimes the last play, last year?

Oakland? Denver? NY Giants? KC? @Carolina? We're easily 12-3...

That secondary just kept giving up those 3rd and obscenely long plays...

Or some questionable refereeing that we can't let games get that close...

The improvement is there...

Payton made a critical mistake this pre-season - with all the new parts, he should have been playing the 1's for at least a full quarter to develop the rhythm and chemistry not only on defense but offense as well...

Utah_Saint · 09-18-2017, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

...things are going to get better...

Hopefully before we play the stinkin falcons.

billyt81 · 10-20-2017, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

No, we're seeing better use of the draft with more and more of the draft being turned over to Ireland...

We're seeing much better drafts than we were three, four, five years ago...

Does the team still need organizational change, no doubt; but we've got better talent and better coaching than we had three years ago...

But things are transitioning and while emotions are rightfully running high after two nationally televised embarrassments, things are going to get better...

Ok. Impressive post I just reread. How did you know this? I feel great about the Saints literally every year. Im always convinced our offseason moves(even though I usually disagree with em) are gonna put us in the bowl. But seeing what the D did in the first couple weeks, I admit it looked familiar and I was writing us off. Try out for First Take JP.

Rugby Saint II · 09-18-2017, 11:44 AM

We may not be done but I just sat on my fork..............and there is no more crow in the freezer. Just sayin'.

Euphoria · 09-18-2017, 12:56 PM

I get it when have been bad for years now but I do agree we are watching some draft picks learning and growing. I see this turning abour but I am starting to question DA.

RockyMountainSaint · 09-18-2017, 01:06 PM

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This is what all Sunshiners have gotten and will continue to get from Payton and Loomis.
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Papa Voodoo · 09-18-2017, 01:19 PM

We need to focus on Carolina and nothing else. A divisional W on the road would boost morale and provide momentum. Although the Panthers are 2-0 I don't see them with much momentum either (Tampa does).

foreverfan · 09-18-2017, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

We need to focus on Carolina and nothing else.

Time to unleash our secret weapon to eliminate the competition.

And don't forget to watch those Extremist Muslim Dogs.

09-18-2017, 12:22 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Somehow I don't think we are done Originally Posted by jeanpierre But things are transitioning and while emotions are rightfully running high after two nationally televised embarrassments, things are going to get better...[/B] JP, With all due respect, it's been 3+ years (see record) of sub par play performances, not just the first two nationally televised games. This team has been bad for a while. foreverfan, SaintsBro and CharityMike like this.

09-19-2017, 02:21 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Somehow I don't think we are done Originally Posted by K Major JP, With all due respect, it's been 3+ years (see record) of sub par play performances, not just the first two nationally televised games. This team has been bad for a while. Major, keep asking these questions and all here need to ask themselves... Consider if Sean Payton, three years ago, would have fired Vitt, Johnson, McMahon? Is the coaching stafff better than it was three ago? Consider our defensive line, linebackers, cornerbacks, are they better deeper than three years ago? Is the personnel better than it was three years ago? Consider our kicking game, specifically our placekicker... Is that position better than it was three years ago? Look, many of these changes were looooong overdue, Payton was slow to do them and only having been the only guy to deliver a Lombardi and a 92yo owner gave him that time... You've responded, liked/disliked my posts as much as anyone and you know how critical I've been of Payton the GM, Loomis the YesMan, and the Front Office needing to restructure... So things like extended Nick Fairley without a more intense cardio workup with knowledge of him having cardio anomalies... And the Saints Front Office and Payton acknowledged they screwed up and it's saved a life - Jon Dorenbos... There's two (2) things that I'd say I'd be critical of at this point that Payton needs to address, and quickly if he's to save this season, and likely his job... First, he's got to make a decision by the BYE week if D.A. is his man or if it's time to move on; don't think Payton didn't bring in Mike Nolan just to coach LBers - he's the backup plan... Second, we screwed up shifting every two years between schemes, and I'm not sold on Rankins (Hicks, now with Chicago looks better)... It may be time to put Rankins in a part-time role (like Fairley) and rotate those D-Lineman, giving them all a chance to eat, and be fresh for for 4 quarters... We may just have to let Payton and this team regurgitate the remnant poor play and poor decision making to get that groove back... And though the losses were embarrassing, they weren't against division foes, so lets let the first quarter of the season play out... K Major likes this.
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09-21-2017, 04:37 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Somehow I don't think we are done Originally Posted by K Major JP, With all due respect, it's been 3+ years (see record) of sub par play performances, not just the first two nationally televised games. This team has been bad for a while. I know what the records have been (boy, do I know) but how many games did we lose on one play, sometimes the last play, last year? Oakland? Denver? NY Giants? KC? @Carolina? We're easily 12-3... That secondary just kept giving up those 3rd and obscenely long plays... Or some questionable refereeing that we can't let games get that close... The improvement is there... Payton made a critical mistake this pre-season - with all the new parts, he should have been playing the 1's for at least a full quarter to develop the rhythm and chemistry not only on defense but offense as well... saintfan and AsylumGuido like this.
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09-18-2017, 02:18 PM	#4
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Somehow I don't think we are done Originally Posted by jeanpierre ...things are going to get better... Hopefully before we play the stinkin falcons.

10-20-2017, 04:34 AM	#5
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: Somehow I don't think we are done Originally Posted by jeanpierre No, we're seeing better use of the draft with more and more of the draft being turned over to Ireland... We're seeing much better drafts than we were three, four, five years ago... Does the team still need organizational change, no doubt; but we've got better talent and better coaching than we had three years ago... But things are transitioning and while emotions are rightfully running high after two nationally televised embarrassments, things are going to get better... Ok. Impressive post I just reread. How did you know this? I feel great about the Saints literally every year. Im always convinced our offseason moves(even though I usually disagree with em) are gonna put us in the bowl. But seeing what the D did in the first couple weeks, I admit it looked familiar and I was writing us off. Try out for First Take JP.

09-18-2017, 11:44 AM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,191	Re: Somehow I don't think we are done We may not be done but I just sat on my fork..............and there is no more crow in the freezer. Just sayin'. jnormand likes this.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Somehow I don't think we are done I get it when have been bad for years now but I do agree we are watching some draft picks learning and growing. I see this turning abour but I am starting to question DA.

09-18-2017, 01:19 PM	#9
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Somehow I don't think we are done We need to focus on Carolina and nothing else. A divisional W on the road would boost morale and provide momentum. Although the Panthers are 2-0 I don't see them with much momentum either (Tampa does). foreverfan likes this.

09-18-2017, 01:32 PM	#10
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Somehow I don't think we are done Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo *We need to focus on Carolina and nothing else.* Time to unleash our secret weapon to eliminate the competition. And don't forget to watch those Extremist Muslim Dogs.

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