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The Dude 09-17-2017 09:35 PM

Somehow I don't think we are done
 
Yet.
I know I'm always negative but I have a feeling. We knew the first quarter of the season was gonna be tough. We knew our offensive line would have problems given injury, patchwork players, and relative youth. Our offense didn't play as a whole all offseason. I expected them to be rusty (although I hoped our defense would be better to compensate). Play calling aside what is killing us is penalties along the line and an aweful red zone offense.
Those things CAN be fixed. We blew some opportunities today.

Defensively we still suck, but we have had opportunities to get takeaways. They just weren't successful. Lattimore will get better, hopefully Vacarri will get benched and someone else will step up. We did just play the team that won it all last year. When it comes to the division all stats, records, and pass transgressions go out the window.
Just win the division

Either that or we really do suck and wind up losing a bunch of games. Could go either way. Who knows.

AllSaints 09-17-2017 09:41 PM

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Hey I'm with you... if we can pull out a win before the bye week... we can get Armstead and Strief back that's huge....

SmashMouth 09-17-2017 09:47 PM

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neugey 09-17-2017 09:54 PM

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The London game will be a toss-up because both teams will be out of sorts. The telling game to me is the Lions game after the bye. If we haven't fixed much after the bye and lose to a Lions team we had 2 weeks to prepare for and are relatively familiar with because we seem to play them every year, it will be the beginning of the end.

WillMacKenzie 09-17-2017 09:56 PM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 764818)
Yet...
I know I'm always negative but I have a feeling...
Those things CAN be fixed...
Just win the division

Don't do this to yourself man.

jeanpierre 09-17-2017 10:19 PM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 764827)
YouTube Video...

If my ex-wife woke up with that attitude in the morning, I'd still be married...


jeanpierre 09-17-2017 10:29 PM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
Thought Lattimore played very well today; Brady tried to test him and it took a questionable pick play to score on his side of the field...

All of that offensive line shifting positions really showed today as they're looking confused and frustrated with their latest roles...

AP sure seemed to show he still had it, but we weren't running the ball early enough for it to be effective...

Thought Ingram should have gotten more touches than he received; he's in his prime and finally adapted his game...

Marcus Williams is another guy who's growing with confidence and by mid-season should be special, though the season's in doubt...

WTH? WTF? What is going on with rookie DE Trey Hendrickson?!? This kid can't get out of his way - back, hamstring, knee, illness - c'mon, kid...

And lastly why are Ken Crawley and Al Muhammad on the inactive lists? We need even more energy on that defense...

Most Disappointing Player through two games - Sheldon Rankins - can't even provide complementary game to Cam Jordan...

foreverfan 09-17-2017 11:15 PM

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WHODATINCA 09-17-2017 11:34 PM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
Dreamin' mate. We win 6 possibly 7 games this year, continuing the streak.

QBREES9 09-18-2017 12:02 AM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
Two games down. The seasons not over.

Rsanders24 09-18-2017 12:29 AM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 764834)
Thought Lattimore played very well today; Brady tried to test him and it took a questionable pick play to score on his side of the field...

All of that offensive line shifting positions really showed today as they're looking confused and frustrated with their latest roles...

AP sure seemed to show he still had it, but we weren't running the ball early enough for it to be effective...

Thought Ingram should have gotten more touches than he received; he's in his prime and finally adapted his game...

Marcus Williams is another guy who's growing with confidence and by mid-season should be special, though the season's in doubt...

WTH? WTF? What is going on with rookie DE Trey Hendrickson?!? This kid can't get out of his way - back, hamstring, knee, illness - c'mon, kid...

And lastly why are Ken Crawley and Al Muhammad on the inactive lists? We need even more energy on that defense...

Most Disappointing Player through two games - Sheldon Rankins - can't even provide complementary game to Cam Jordan...

I agree. I really had high hopes for Rankins this season but so far he has done nothing. I don't understand why Al Muhammad is inactive. Like you said we need all the energy we can get going into next week. I also want to see Tommy Lee Lewis used more. Ginn is just keeping his raw talent on the bench.

dizzle88 09-18-2017 12:47 AM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
I don't think we are done either....done giving up points and scoring 1-2 TD's a game on offense.

billyt81 09-18-2017 02:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 764827)

Dude, when I was 19 at LSU, I used to watch Allison Collins at some bar on Acadian, I think, the one with the pool tables on a 2nd floor. She is so hot. I used to assume she was looking at and singing just for me. Surely she was and surely the Saints are gonna turn things around soon. Cool post.

billyt81 09-18-2017 03:07 AM

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The Saints are really bad. Gronk's TD was a perfect example of our defense. We almost sacked Brady, almost covered Gronk and almost tackled him. We seem to always be a half step from making plays on defense. The surprising part is unfortunately the offense is not much better right now. We struggle running the ball. We have no big plays and receivers in general just dont get open much. Brees' numbers end up looking OK because in the 4th quarter when teams are in prevent we get some yards. Hopefully when we can get the line healthy and Snead provides a spark when he returns. I thought Tommylee Lewis or Coleman would be able to shine in Sneads absence, but we really miss him right now. Terrible weekend for Louisiana football. Whats worse, getting lit up by Tom Brady or Nick Fitzgerald? Yuk!

skymike 09-18-2017 07:08 AM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
The way we looked yesterday, vs. an injury depleted Pats team, I can see us going 0-16, possibly.

Nevertheless, I am a Saints fan. Ive probably seen worse.
I will continue Hoping.
We Hou-Dats will be at the Boot Sunday for the Carolina game.
Got friends going to England.

Screw it. Lets pretend our guys are in The Hunt, and raise holy hell, and
have a good time with it in the Dome. Me & the Viking Princess will be in NOLA for the Lions game.
I'll See some of you in 4 weeks.

Cruize 09-18-2017 07:24 AM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
I applaud the optimism. As a life long Saints fan, hope springs eternal. But, this season, the coaching staff, and Brees in black and gold, is at most 14 games away from being done. Sorry. That is just the painful reality of the 2017 New Orleans Saints.

jeanpierre 09-18-2017 09:10 AM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
This season is far from over and we may very likely be laughing at ourselves by December...

There's no question this team is in a transient phase right now and we're seeing the regurgitation of poor management these past five years plus...

K Major 09-18-2017 09:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 764898)
There's no question this team is in a transient phase right now and we're seeing the regurgitation of poor management these past five years plus...[/B]

We've been in the "transient phase" far too long. SP's record the last 50 games is 21-29. Saints aren't even competitive & we look like little leaguers on Sundays. I actually thought we would take advantage of Pats short comings who were missing Amendola, Donte' Hightower, Edelman etc. One of our only play makers is the punter :rolleyes:.

Not sure if you caught Tony Romo's analysis on how our D was giving out so many different looks in coverage, yet there were repeated mental lapses. It's a bad sign to see KV benched this early & Vonn B has been just as suspect.

We are already close to "wait until next year mode". Outside of Cam, Brees and a few others, I don't see guys playing with any heart.

Rugby Saint II 09-18-2017 11:44 AM

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We may not be done but I just sat on my fork..............and there is no more crow in the freezer. Just sayin'.:p

jeanpierre 09-18-2017 12:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 764903)
We've been in the "transient phase" far too long. SP's record the last 50 games is 21-29. Saints aren't even competitive & we look like little leaguers on Sundays. I actually thought we would take advantage of Pats short comings who were missing Amendola, Donte' Hightower, Edelman etc. One of our only play makers is the punter :rolleyes:.

Not sure if you caught Tony Romo's analysis on how our D was giving out so many different looks in coverage, yet there were repeated mental lapses. It's a bad sign to see KV benched this early & Vonn B has been just as suspect.

We are already close to "wait until next year mode". Outside of Cam, Brees and a few others, I don't see guys playing with any heart.

No, we're seeing better use of the draft with more and more of the draft being turned over to Ireland...

We're seeing much better drafts than we were three, four, five years ago...

Does the team still need organizational change, no doubt; but we've got better talent and better coaching than we had three years ago...

But things are transitioning and while emotions are rightfully running high after two nationally televised embarrassments, things are going to get better...

Rugby Saint II 09-18-2017 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 764935)
No, we're seeing better use of the draft with more and more of the draft being turned over to Ireland...

We're seeing much better drafts than we were three, four, five years ago...

Does the team still need organizational change, no doubt; but we've got better talent and better coaching than we had three years ago...

But things are transitioning and while emotions are rightfully running high after two nationally televised embarrassments, things are going to get better...

Are we going through pubescence? That what this feels like. I'm watching my boys grow up right in front of me. Now they better get their act together........

K Major 09-18-2017 12:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 764935)
But things are transitioning and while emotions are rightfully running high after two nationally televised embarrassments, things are going to get better...[/B]

JP,

With all due respect, it's been 3+ years (see record) of sub par play performances, not just the first two nationally televised games. This team has been bad for a while.

Euphoria 09-18-2017 12:56 PM

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I get it when have been bad for years now but I do agree we are watching some draft picks learning and growing. I see this turning abour but I am starting to question DA.

RockyMountainSaint 09-18-2017 01:06 PM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
This is what all Sunshiners have gotten and will continue to get from Payton and Loomis.
Post 2011that is.

Papa Voodoo 09-18-2017 01:19 PM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
We need to focus on Carolina and nothing else. A divisional W on the road would boost morale and provide momentum. Although the Panthers are 2-0 I don't see them with much momentum either (Tampa does).

foreverfan 09-18-2017 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 764949)
We need to focus on Carolina and nothing else.

Time to unleash our secret weapon to eliminate the competition. :goodidea:

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And don't forget to watch those Extremist Muslim Dogs.

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AsylumGuido 09-18-2017 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 764949)
We need to focus on Carolina and nothing else. A divisional W on the road would boost morale and provide momentum. Although the Panthers are 2-0 I don't see them with much momentum either (Tampa does).

Not to mention Carolina lost their key weapon in Greg Olsen to a broken foot. He is the one that always kills us.

foreverfan 09-18-2017 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 764952)
Not to mention Carolina lost their key weapon in Greg Olsen to a broken foot. He is the one that always kills us.

Greg Olsen will not be missed.

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Mardigras9 09-18-2017 01:48 PM

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I agree. Minn has the 3rd best winning record at home and the Patriots are, well the patriots. So 0-2 is not a surprise. Now this team did absolutely NOTHING to prevent either of those losses, but if they can get in sync on both sides of the ball, they can get competitive. Not make a run, just get competitive.
Carolina lost Olsen, which is a huge advantage for us. If we are 2-2 going into the bye, which would be awesome,who knows. It's not time to throw in the towel yet.

Utah_Saint 09-18-2017 02:18 PM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 764935)
...things are going to get better...

Hopefully before we play the stinkin falcons.

hagan714 09-18-2017 04:29 PM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
As I said in other threads I think we took a baby step in the right direction. Sure my stomach turned but i was not grabbing the waste basket ever other play like in game 1.

What we are seeing on the field is how weak our bench is

neugey 09-18-2017 05:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 764993)
As I said in other threads I think we took a baby step in the right direction. Sure my stomach turned but i was not grabbing the waste basket ever other play like in game 1.

What we are seeing on the field is how weak our bench is

I disagree on the depth part. On paper, we actually have quite a bit of depth at all positions except OL and DT. Especially compared to recent years. By this time we are usually scouring the free agent pool for LB's and DB's.

CheramieIII 09-18-2017 07:01 PM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
If we go 2-4 or 1-5 through the first six we'll have to go 7-3 the rest of the way just to break even. We have the Panthers, Miami, Detroit and Green Bay the next 4 games.

Then in the final 10 we have Atlanta twice, Bucs twice and the Panthers once more.

I see us beating the Bears, Bills, Jets, Rams and maybe the Redskins and even beating these teams we would still have to win another 3 just to break even and while that could happen it probably won't get us into the playoffs but get us a draft pick that we always get, middle of the road.

RockyMountainSaint 09-18-2017 09:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 764952)
Not to mention Carolina lost their key weapon in Greg Olsen to a broken foot. He is the one that always kills us.

I know better than this.
Some FB that no one has ever heard of smoked the Saints D last week.

Please don't act like it takes a player of Olsen's talent to "kill" the Saints D.

The running joke around here is that we don't want a starting QB to go down because a rookie always kills us.

Truth Time!!!!!!!

Any NFL talent that have Coordinators with a pulse, will "kill" the Saints.

It has been this way for five years.

This includes any opposing D Coordinator with half a brain.

Sean Payton in a bad coach right now.
He has been a bad coach for years now.

Nothing else makes sense.

AsylumGuido 09-18-2017 11:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 765061)
I know better than this.
Some FB that no one has ever heard of smoked the Saints D last week.

Please don't act like it takes a player of Olsen's talent to "kill" the Saints D.

The running joke around here is that we don't want a starting QB to go down because a rookie always kills us.

Truth Time!!!!!!!

Any NFL talent that have Coordinators with a pulse, will "kill" the Saints.

It has been this way for five years.

This includes any opposing D Coordinator with half a brain.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tIdIqbv7SPo
Sean Payton in a bad coach right now.
He has been a bad coach for years now.

Nothing else makes sense.

Guess it's time to sell the TV and move to Peru.

For myself, I'm going to continue to expect a win every week. Anything else is not under my control. I can't wait until Sunday. The winning streak begins!

:bng:

jeanpierre 09-19-2017 02:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 764937)
JP,

With all due respect, it's been 3+ years (see record) of sub par play performances, not just the first two nationally televised games. This team has been bad for a while.

Major, keep asking these questions and all here need to ask themselves...

Consider if Sean Payton, three years ago, would have fired Vitt, Johnson, McMahon?

Is the coaching stafff better than it was three ago?

Consider our defensive line, linebackers, cornerbacks, are they better deeper than three years ago?

Is the personnel better than it was three years ago?

Consider our kicking game, specifically our placekicker...

Is that position better than it was three years ago?

Look, many of these changes were looooong overdue, Payton was slow to do them and only having been the only guy to deliver a Lombardi and a 92yo owner gave him that time...

You've responded, liked/disliked my posts as much as anyone and you know how critical I've been of Payton the GM, Loomis the YesMan, and the Front Office needing to restructure...

So things like extended Nick Fairley without a more intense cardio workup with knowledge of him having cardio anomalies...

And the Saints Front Office and Payton acknowledged they screwed up and it's saved a life - Jon Dorenbos...

There's two (2) things that I'd say I'd be critical of at this point that Payton needs to address, and quickly if he's to save this season, and likely his job...

First, he's got to make a decision by the BYE week if D.A. is his man or if it's time to move on; don't think Payton didn't bring in Mike Nolan just to coach LBers - he's the backup plan...

Second, we screwed up shifting every two years between schemes, and I'm not sold on Rankins (Hicks, now with Chicago looks better)...

It may be time to put Rankins in a part-time role (like Fairley) and rotate those D-Lineman, giving them all a chance to eat, and be fresh for for 4 quarters...

We may just have to let Payton and this team regurgitate the remnant poor play and poor decision making to get that groove back...

And though the losses were embarrassing, they weren't against division foes, so lets let the first quarter of the season play out...

spkb25 09-19-2017 05:36 AM

Re: Somehow I don't think we are done
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 765065)
Guess it's time to sell the TV and move to Peru.

For myself, I'm going to continue to expect a win every week. Anything else is not under my control. I can't wait until Sunday. The winning streak begins!

:bng:

That's good for you. Do what makes YOU feel good. I don't see anything wrong with you holding out hope, but if this is how he feels so be it. Either counter his argument with facts or be quiet. Simply attacking a poster for what they posted doesn't offer anything constructive. It just comes across as *****ing and complaining. The board is here for people to let out their frustrations. Allow him to be a member of the board and do what he needs to do to feel better. You're not going to change how he thinks or feels by simply complaining about how he thinks or feels. If you don't have anything constructive to offer about what he thinks then maybe you should not say anything.

spkb25 09-19-2017 05:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 765068)
Major, keep asking these questions and all here need to ask themselves...

Consider if Sean Payton, three years ago, would have fired Vitt, Johnson, McMahon?

Is the coaching stafff better than it was three ago?

Consider our defensive line, linebackers, cornerbacks, are they better deeper than three years ago?

Is the personnel better than it was three years ago?

Consider our kicking game, specifically our placekicker...

Is that position better than it was three years ago?

Look, many of these changes were looooong overdue, Payton was slow to do them and only having been the only guy to deliver a Lombardi and a 92yo owner gave him that time...

You've responded, liked/disliked my posts as much as anyone and you know how critical I've been of Payton the GM, Loomis the YesMan, and the Front Office needing to restructure...

So things like extended Nick Fairley without a more intense cardio workup with knowledge of him having cardio anomalies...

And the Saints Front Office and Payton acknowledged they screwed up and it's saved a life - Jon Dorenbos...

There's two (2) things that I'd say I'd be critical of at this point that Payton needs to address, and quickly if he's to save this season, and likely his job...

First, he's got to make a decision by the BYE week if D.A. is his man or if it's time to move on; don't think Payton didn't bring in Mike Nolan just to coach LBers - he's the backup plan...

Second, we screwed up shifting every two years between schemes, and I'm not sold on Rankins (Hicks, now with Chicago looks better)...

It may be time to put Rankins in a part-time role (like Fairley) and rotate those D-Lineman, giving them all a chance to eat, and be fresh for for 4 quarters...

We may just have to let Payton and this team regurgitate the remnant poor play and poor decision making to get that groove back...

And though the losses were embarrassing, they weren't against division foes, so lets let the first quarter of the season play out...

Bro you don't get to claim that the new coaches were the fix and then turn around and spin it to be they would have fixed it if they had been signed earlier.

No matter how anyone spins this the man at the top is SP. He gets the blame after this many season and now 50 games of failure.

spkb25 09-19-2017 05:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 765029)
If we go 2-4 or 1-5 through the first six we'll have to go 7-3 the rest of the way just to break even. We have the Panthers, Miami, Detroit and Green Bay the next 4 games.

Then in the final 10 we have Atlanta twice, Bucs twice and the Panthers once more.

I see us beating the Bears, Bills, Jets, Rams and maybe the Redskins and even beating these teams we would still have to win another 3 just to break even and while that could happen it probably won't get us into the playoffs but get us a draft pick that we always get, middle of the road.

I don't know what will happen, but let's just say we split with the division, 3-3, that gives us 5 losses. GB with any form of healthier line will light us up like a christmas tree. 6 losses. Do we really think we will not lose another to either the Lions, Skins, or Rams?

That's 7 losses. I suspect we are swept badly by the Falcons, possibly swept by bucs, maybe 4 losses instead of 3. that would equate to 8-8. We might lose in November up in Buffalo. It could get ugly, but best case scenario to me would be 9-7 and I really don't have faith that will happen.

By how we are playing now my guess would point to 6-10 or 7-9

skymike 09-19-2017 06:15 AM

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We are 0-0 in Division.


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