2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints

jeanpierre · 03-29-2018, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Pro Day March 29: SMU, West Virginia & SMU | Draft Analyst

Lost in the shuffle yesterday was Alabama’s second pro day workout and the expected testing of safety Ronnie Harrison and linebacker Rashaan Evans.

Harrison, who has been dealing with a hamstring injury, tipped the scales at 219 pounds then timed anywhere from 4.56s to 4.61 seconds in the forty.

Rashaan Evans, who did not run the forty at the combine or Alabama’s first pro day did not run yesterday which left a very bad taste in the mouths of teams who purposely made the trip to watch his workout.

Several teams questioned Evans speed going into the pre-draft process and the fact he’s not yet run the forty coupled with a vertical jump of just 30 inches and 9-feet-8-inches in the broad jump will raise further red flags about his athleticism.

Factor in terrific workouts by many of the linebackers at the combine (Lorenzo Carter, Leighton Vander Esch) and it adds up to bad news for Evans.

Let me first say this, born & raised in Lafourche/Terrebonne Parishes, I was raised a SEC fan, not just LSU...

In fact my Mom, from MS, had me pull for Ole Miss and she worked for Tulane Docs so I also pulled for the Green Wave...

More an Ole SEC house - a team that has the best shot to make the most national noise is who our house pulled for late in the season...

So growing up in the 70s and 80s - we pulled for a lot of Bama teams in December and January...

That said, Alabama players, especially under Saban, have always made me nervous...

Many are not overly impressive individually, often because they have such great teams year in, year out...

Many of the individual flaws, whether mental or physical are masked in their Bama film because of their surrounding superior level of talent...

Now I'm not saying Bama doesn't produce any elite players - it's just that it's not every prospect from Bama deserves the draft cache the Bama propaganda generates...

That said - I get what some of you say this year about getting a DT, LB or S at a high level of physical talent, and Bama has guys graded well at those positions...

Several of the Bama guys coming out, specifically Evans, Payne and Harrison, will be good solid pros, I just don't think they're first or early second round guys if they came from a Purdue or Syracuse or Virginia...

In contrast, take Vander Esch who wasn't surrounded with talent; he started out as a walk-on as a slot receiver or tight end; then moved to linebacker; his game progressed, made errors, rarely repeated the same errors; he worked his butt off physically to become an elite prospect...

When you look at players that come out of these, well, factories - Bama, Ohio St, Virginia Tech, LSU, you've got to factor how that player is going to perform when everyone in the NFL is just as fast and strong...

How fast they learn, how fast they react, how fast they adjust...

Not running at your second pro day may not seem like that big of a deal, but go back to just last year when Foster played the "do you know who I am card" in the middle of one of the biggest processes of his career - now we know it was symptomatic of someone hiding something...

Anyways, that's why I've pushed back on some of the Bama guys and why I'm hesistant to jump on board with taking anyone other than Minkah in the first round...

With this year's group, I like the idea of taking CB Levi Wallace or C Brad Bozeman in the latter rounds where their floors are a given and the investment is not quite as high...

K Major · 03-29-2018, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Let me first say this, born & raised in Lafourche/Terrebonne Parishes, I was raised a SEC fan, not just LSU...

That said, Alabama players, especially under Saban, have always made me nervous...

Mark Ingram
Ha Ha Dix
Julio Jones
Landon Collins
CJ Moseley
Dante' Hightower
Amari Cooper

These guys (all under Saban) make you nervous JP? Most are elite at their position across the league. I'm purple and gold through and through but if a Alabama/Ohio State player etc happens to be the best available @ 27, I'll have no problem with that pick. Let's trust the front office ... especially considering how well we've drafted the last two seasons.

Side note - shout out to Central Lafourche! Tommy Hodson's finest

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papz · 03-29-2018, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Mark Ingram
Ha Ha Dix
Julio Jones
Landon Collins
CJ Moseley
Dante' Hightower
Amari Cooper

These guys (all under Saban) make you nervous JP? Most are elite at their position across the league. I'm purple and gold through and through but if a Alabama/Ohio State player etc happens to be the best available @ 27, I'll have no problem with that pick. Let's trust the front office ... especially considering how well we've drafted the last two seasons.

Side note - shout out to Central Lafourche! Tommy Hodson's finest .

I didn't realize you were a LSU fan. I always felt you came across as a Bama guy. Well I'll be damned.

Actually Danno, our MASSIVELY BIG BAMA guy, echoed something similar to what JP said as far as Bama players producing in the NFL. I was quite shocked when he made that point. Quite a few tend to peak out in college. They still can become good quality players, just not as project-able.

K Major · 03-29-2018, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I didn't realize you were a LSU fan. I always felt you came across as a Bama guy. Well I'll be damned.

Lived in Houma for a few years as a child but grew up primarily in Baton Rouge. Graduated from Catholic High & LSU. Purple and Gold all day but I have a lot of respect for the Crimson Tide program. Really hated it when Saban left but oh well.

jeanpierre · 03-29-2018, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Mark Ingram
Ha Ha Dix
Julio Jones
Landon Collins
CJ Moseley
Dante' Hightower
Amari Cooper

These guys (all under Saban) make you nervous JP? Most are elite at their position across the league. I'm purple and gold through and through but if a Alabama/Ohio State player etc happens to be the best available @ 27, I'll have no problem with that pick. Let's trust the front office ... especially considering how well we've drafted the last two seasons.

Side note - shout out to Central Lafourche! Tommy Hodson's finest .

Ingram - didn't have a 1000 RuYd season until his sixth year in the league; is just now learning the game, but six seasons to get to ProBowl production?

Ha Ha Dix - has been named to just one Pro Bowl by his fifth year; he's a good player, but I wouldn't call him elite...

Julio Jones - best receiver in the NFL, very elite...

Landon Collins - best Strong Safety in the game, very elite...

C.J. Moseley - Top Five Mike Linebackers in the league, elite...

Dont'a Hightower - One probowl going into his seventh season, good player, hardly elite...

Amari Cooper - had two great seasons to start and was rolling until a forgettable season this past year once teams rolled coverage on him - jury's still out...

And since 2007, Nick Saban has produced 22 first round picks - very impressive...

And we just named only seven players, and while we can debate their merits of being elite or not, which I easily and obviously would concede three maybe four are...

My point was made - 22 first round picks and only three, four were actually out-the-gate first round talent...

And I played against Hodson...

K Major · 03-29-2018, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

And I played against Hodson...[/B]

I gotcha JP

.

My dad loved him some Tommy Hodson. He could "spin it".

st thomas · 04-16-2018, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Let me first say this, born & raised in Lafourche/Terrebonne Parishes, I was raised a SEC fan, not just LSU...

In fact my Mom, from MS, had me pull for Ole Miss and she worked for Tulane Docs so I also pulled for the Green Wave...

More an Ole SEC house - a team that has the best shot to make the most national noise is who our house pulled for late in the season...

So growing up in the 70s and 80s - we pulled for a lot of Bama teams in December and January...

That said, Alabama players, especially under Saban, have always made me nervous...

Many are not overly impressive individually, often because they have such great teams year in, year out...

Many of the individual flaws, whether mental or physical are masked in their Bama film because of their surrounding superior level of talent...

Now I'm not saying Bama doesn't produce any elite players - it's just that it's not every prospect from Bama deserves the draft cache the Bama propaganda generates...

That said - I get what some of you say this year about getting a DT, LB or S at a high level of physical talent, and Bama has guys graded well at those positions...

Several of the Bama guys coming out, specifically Evans, Payne and Harrison, will be good solid pros, I just don't think they're first or early second round guys if they came from a Purdue or Syracuse or Virginia...

In contrast, take Vander Esch who wasn't surrounded with talent; he started out as a walk-on as a slot receiver or tight end; then moved to linebacker; his game progressed, made errors, rarely repeated the same errors; he worked his butt off physically to become an elite prospect...

When you look at players that come out of these, well, factories - Bama, Ohio St, Virginia Tech, LSU, you've got to factor how that player is going to perform when everyone in the NFL is just as fast and strong...

How fast they learn, how fast they react, how fast they adjust...

Not running at your second pro day may not seem like that big of a deal, but go back to just last year when Foster played the "do you know who I am card" in the middle of one of the biggest processes of his career - now we know it was symptomatic of someone hiding something...

Anyways, that's why I've pushed back on some of the Bama guys and why I'm hesistant to jump on board with taking anyone other than Minkah in the first round...

With this year's group, I like the idea of taking CB Levi Wallace or C Brad Bozeman in the latter rounds where their floors are a given and the investment is not quite as high...

makes sense to me what u are sayin, it levels the playing field to some stars coming out of the bama,s lsu,s ohio sts when they hit the talent in the nfl.

ChrisXVI · 03-29-2018, 11:32 AM

Pete Carmichael and QB coach Joe Lombardi are at Louisville’s Pro Day.

SmashMouth · 03-29-2018, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Pete Carmichael and QB coach Joe Lombardi are at Louisville’s Pro Day.

Lamar Jackson prefers game speed to the 40-yard dash – ProFootballTalk

He has no agent... is that good for us?

ChrisXVI · 03-29-2018, 12:03 PM

Jeff Ireland and Dennis Allen are at UCF’s Pro Day.

Edit: LB Shaquem Griffin met with Sean Payton last night per Josina Anderson.

03-29-2018, 02:50 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Pro Day March 29: SMU, West Virginia & SMU \| Draft Analyst Lost in the shuffle yesterday was Alabama’s second pro day workout and the expected testing of safety Ronnie Harrison and linebacker Rashaan Evans. Harrison, who has been dealing with a hamstring injury, tipped the scales at 219 pounds then timed anywhere from 4.56s to 4.61 seconds in the forty. Rashaan Evans, who did not run the forty at the combine or Alabama’s first pro day did not run yesterday which left a very bad taste in the mouths of teams who purposely made the trip to watch his workout. Several teams questioned Evans speed going into the pre-draft process and the fact he’s not yet run the forty coupled with a vertical jump of just 30 inches and 9-feet-8-inches in the broad jump will raise further red flags about his athleticism. Factor in terrific workouts by many of the linebackers at the combine (Lorenzo Carter, Leighton Vander Esch) and it adds up to bad news for Evans. Let me first say this, born & raised in Lafourche/Terrebonne Parishes, I was raised a SEC fan, not just LSU... In fact my Mom, from MS, had me pull for Ole Miss and she worked for Tulane Docs so I also pulled for the Green Wave... More an Ole SEC house - a team that has the best shot to make the most national noise is who our house pulled for late in the season... So growing up in the 70s and 80s - we pulled for a lot of Bama teams in December and January... That said, Alabama players, especially under Saban, have always made me nervous... Many are not overly impressive individually, often because they have such great teams year in, year out... Many of the individual flaws, whether mental or physical are masked in their Bama film because of their surrounding superior level of talent... Now I'm not saying Bama doesn't produce any elite players - it's just that it's not every prospect from Bama deserves the draft cache the Bama propaganda generates... That said - I get what some of you say this year about getting a DT, LB or S at a high level of physical talent, and Bama has guys graded well at those positions... Several of the Bama guys coming out, specifically Evans, Payne and Harrison, will be good solid pros, I just don't think they're first or early second round guys if they came from a Purdue or Syracuse or Virginia... In contrast, take Vander Esch who wasn't surrounded with talent; he started out as a walk-on as a slot receiver or tight end; then moved to linebacker; his game progressed, made errors, rarely repeated the same errors; he worked his butt off physically to become an elite prospect... When you look at players that come out of these, well, factories - Bama, Ohio St, Virginia Tech, LSU, you've got to factor how that player is going to perform when everyone in the NFL is just as fast and strong... How fast they learn, how fast they react, how fast they adjust... Not running at your second pro day may not seem like that big of a deal, but go back to just last year when Foster played the "do you know who I am card" in the middle of one of the biggest processes of his career - now we know it was symptomatic of someone hiding something... Anyways, that's why I've pushed back on some of the Bama guys and why I'm hesistant to jump on board with taking anyone other than Minkah in the first round... With this year's group, I like the idea of taking CB Levi Wallace or C Brad Bozeman in the latter rounds where their floors are a given and the investment is not quite as high...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

03-29-2018, 03:26 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Let me first say this, born & raised in Lafourche/Terrebonne Parishes, I was raised a SEC fan, not just LSU... That said, Alabama players, especially under Saban, have always made me nervous... Mark Ingram Ha Ha Dix Julio Jones Landon Collins CJ Moseley Dante' Hightower Amari Cooper These guys (all under Saban) make you nervous JP? Most are elite at their position across the league. I'm purple and gold through and through but if a Alabama/Ohio State player etc happens to be the best available @ 27, I'll have no problem with that pick. Let's trust the front office ... especially considering how well we've drafted the last two seasons. Side note - shout out to Central Lafourche! Tommy Hodson's finest .

03-29-2018, 04:02 PM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by K Major Mark Ingram Ha Ha Dix Julio Jones Landon Collins CJ Moseley Dante' Hightower Amari Cooper These guys (all under Saban) make you nervous JP? Most are elite at their position across the league. I'm purple and gold through and through but if a Alabama/Ohio State player etc happens to be the best available @ 27, I'll have no problem with that pick. Let's trust the front office ... especially considering how well we've drafted the last two seasons. Side note - shout out to Central Lafourche! Tommy Hodson's finest . I didn't realize you were a LSU fan. I always felt you came across as a Bama guy. Well I'll be damned. Actually Danno, our MASSIVELY BIG BAMA guy, echoed something similar to what JP said as far as Bama players producing in the NFL. I was quite shocked when he made that point. Quite a few tend to peak out in college. They still can become good quality players, just not as project-able.

03-29-2018, 04:18 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by papz I didn't realize you were a LSU fan. I always felt you came across as a Bama guy. Well I'll be damned. Lived in Houma for a few years as a child but grew up primarily in Baton Rouge. Graduated from Catholic High & LSU. Purple and Gold all day but I have a lot of respect for the Crimson Tide program. Really hated it when Saban left but oh well.

03-29-2018, 04:16 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by K Major Mark Ingram Ha Ha Dix Julio Jones Landon Collins CJ Moseley Dante' Hightower Amari Cooper These guys (all under Saban) make you nervous JP? Most are elite at their position across the league. I'm purple and gold through and through but if a Alabama/Ohio State player etc happens to be the best available @ 27, I'll have no problem with that pick. Let's trust the front office ... especially considering how well we've drafted the last two seasons. Side note - shout out to Central Lafourche! Tommy Hodson's finest . Ingram - didn't have a 1000 RuYd season until his sixth year in the league; is just now learning the game, but six seasons to get to ProBowl production? Ha Ha Dix - has been named to just one Pro Bowl by his fifth year; he's a good player, but I wouldn't call him elite... Julio Jones - best receiver in the NFL, very elite... Landon Collins - best Strong Safety in the game, very elite... C.J. Moseley - Top Five Mike Linebackers in the league, elite... Dont'a Hightower - One probowl going into his seventh season, good player, hardly elite... Amari Cooper - had two great seasons to start and was rolling until a forgettable season this past year once teams rolled coverage on him - jury's still out... And since 2007, Nick Saban has produced 22 first round picks - very impressive... And we just named only seven players, and while we can debate their merits of being elite or not, which I easily and obviously would concede three maybe four are... My point was made - 22 first round picks and only three, four were actually out-the-gate first round talent... And I played against Hodson...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

03-29-2018, 04:20 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre And I played against Hodson...[/B] I gotcha JP . My dad loved him some Tommy Hodson. He could "spin it".

04-16-2018, 08:54 PM	#7
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Let me first say this, born & raised in Lafourche/Terrebonne Parishes, I was raised a SEC fan, not just LSU... In fact my Mom, from MS, had me pull for Ole Miss and she worked for Tulane Docs so I also pulled for the Green Wave... More an Ole SEC house - a team that has the best shot to make the most national noise is who our house pulled for late in the season... So growing up in the 70s and 80s - we pulled for a lot of Bama teams in December and January... That said, Alabama players, especially under Saban, have always made me nervous... Many are not overly impressive individually, often because they have such great teams year in, year out... Many of the individual flaws, whether mental or physical are masked in their Bama film because of their surrounding superior level of talent... Now I'm not saying Bama doesn't produce any elite players - it's just that it's not every prospect from Bama deserves the draft cache the Bama propaganda generates... That said - I get what some of you say this year about getting a DT, LB or S at a high level of physical talent, and Bama has guys graded well at those positions... Several of the Bama guys coming out, specifically Evans, Payne and Harrison, will be good solid pros, I just don't think they're first or early second round guys if they came from a Purdue or Syracuse or Virginia... In contrast, take Vander Esch who wasn't surrounded with talent; he started out as a walk-on as a slot receiver or tight end; then moved to linebacker; his game progressed, made errors, rarely repeated the same errors; he worked his butt off physically to become an elite prospect... When you look at players that come out of these, well, factories - Bama, Ohio St, Virginia Tech, LSU, you've got to factor how that player is going to perform when everyone in the NFL is just as fast and strong... How fast they learn, how fast they react, how fast they adjust... Not running at your second pro day may not seem like that big of a deal, but go back to just last year when Foster played the "do you know who I am card" in the middle of one of the biggest processes of his career - now we know it was symptomatic of someone hiding something... Anyways, that's why I've pushed back on some of the Bama guys and why I'm hesistant to jump on board with taking anyone other than Minkah in the first round... With this year's group, I like the idea of taking CB Levi Wallace or C Brad Bozeman in the latter rounds where their floors are a given and the investment is not quite as high... makes sense to me what u are sayin, it levels the playing field to some stars coming out of the bama,s lsu,s ohio sts when they hit the talent in the nfl.

03-29-2018, 11:32 AM	#8
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Pete Carmichael and QB coach Joe Lombardi are at Louisville’s Pro Day.

03-29-2018, 11:44 AM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Pete Carmichael and QB coach Joe Lombardi are at Louisville’s Pro Day. Lamar Jackson prefers game speed to the 40-yard dash – ProFootballTalk He has no agent... is that good for us?

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