2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints

K Major · 11-03-2017, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Letting you to opt out on Coby Fleener
Potential Out: 2018, 2 yr, $14,741,169; $4,800,000 dead cap
Savings $3.2 mil in 2018

Or designate him as a post June 1st cut & save 6.5M.

Absolutely no reason to retain his services next year at that price.

jeanpierre · 11-03-2017, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Or designate him as a post June 1st cut & save 6.5M.

Absolutely no reason to retain his services next year at that price.

Agreed. And there will be plenty of options in both Free Agency and a good TE draft class...

jeanpierre · 11-03-2017, 06:53 PM

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jeanpierre · 11-05-2017, 01:19 AM

Tell you one thing, there's one LSU player that I want to draft, but we'll have to wait till 2018 or 2019 and that's RLB Devin White...

jeanpierre · 11-05-2017, 01:53 AM

WalterFootball.com: 2018 NFL Draft Player Preview: Christian Wilkins

hagan714 · 11-05-2017, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Or designate him as a post June 1st cut & save 6.5M.

Absolutely no reason to retain his services next year at that price.

As best as I understand the opt out vs cuts rules I think it works out like this

Opt out dead money goes to $0 for the remaining 2 years of the contract?

Opt out & save
Savings $3.2M in 2018
Saving $4.8M from 2019 and 2020, available in 2019
For a net cap savings by 2019 of $8.0M

Vs

Post June 1st cut carries the remaining dead cap for the length of the contract?

Post June 1st cut & save
Savings $6.5M in 2018
Carrying the dead money .from 2019 and 2020 at $4.8M
For a net cap savings by 2020 of $1.7M

So by going for Post June 1st in 2018
That $3.3M gain in 2018 would actually drop to $1.7M by 2020

By going the Opt out route
Cap gain will be $8.0M by 2019

Thats a cost to us of $6.3M in lost cap space by 2020 for cap space now
Put off the $3.3M gain in 2018 and take the $8.0M in 2019 is the way I see it

If we are talking a sure fire super bowl run I could see the logic in the Post June 1st cut option. Which I do not see as a logical risk to take next year, It is not working out so well for the pats and they were suppose to be a sure thing this year. Well almost as sure fire as anything can get.

Please!!!! correct me if I am wrong

I would love to get a grip on all these changes to the player contracts rules

lee909 · 11-05-2017, 07:43 AM

I thought a June 1st cut spread the cost over 2 years?

hagan714 · 11-05-2017, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

I thought a June 1st cut spread the cost over 2 years?

But the dead cap number remain the same correct?

jeanpierre · 11-05-2017, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

I thought a June 1st cut spread the cost over 2 years?

Often the case, but it depends on the terms of the contract and when it was signed...

hagan714 · 11-05-2017, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Often the case, but it depends on the terms of the contract and when it was signed...

But when you opt out the remaining dead cap money comes off the books. right?

11-03-2017, 08:48 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by hagan714 Letting you to opt out on Coby Fleener Potential Out: 2018, 2 yr, $14,741,169; $4,800,000 dead cap Savings $3.2 mil in 2018 Or designate him as a post June 1st cut & save 6.5M. Absolutely no reason to retain his services next year at that price. hagan714 likes this.

11-03-2017, 06:42 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by K Major Or designate him as a post June 1st cut & save 6.5M. Absolutely no reason to retain his services next year at that price. Agreed. And there will be plenty of options in both Free Agency and a good TE draft class...

11-03-2017, 06:53 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Twitter Saint in Aus likes this.

11-05-2017, 01:19 AM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Tell you one thing, there's one LSU player that I want to draft, but we'll have to wait till 2018 or 2019 and that's RLB Devin White... hagan714 likes this.

11-05-2017, 01:53 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints WalterFootball.com: 2018 NFL Draft Player Preview: Christian Wilkins

11-05-2017, 07:25 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by K Major Or designate him as a post June 1st cut & save 6.5M. Absolutely no reason to retain his services next year at that price. As best as I understand the opt out vs cuts rules I think it works out like this Opt out dead money goes to $0 for the remaining 2 years of the contract? Opt out & save Savings $3.2M in 2018 Saving $4.8M from 2019 and 2020, available in 2019 For a net cap savings by 2019 of $8.0M Vs Post June 1st cut carries the remaining dead cap for the length of the contract? Post June 1st cut & save Savings $6.5M in 2018 Carrying the dead money .from 2019 and 2020 at $4.8M For a net cap savings by 2020 of $1.7M So by going for Post June 1st in 2018 That $3.3M gain in 2018 would actually drop to $1.7M by 2020 By going the Opt out route Cap gain will be $8.0M by 2019 Thats a cost to us of $6.3M in lost cap space by 2020 for cap space now Put off the $3.3M gain in 2018 and take the $8.0M in 2019 is the way I see it If we are talking a sure fire super bowl run I could see the logic in the Post June 1st cut option. Which I do not see as a logical risk to take next year, It is not working out so well for the pats and they were suppose to be a sure thing this year. Well almost as sure fire as anything can get. Please!!!! correct me if I am wrong I would love to get a grip on all these changes to the player contracts rules
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11-05-2017, 07:43 AM	#7
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints I thought a June 1st cut spread the cost over 2 years? hagan714 likes this.

11-05-2017, 08:02 AM	#8
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by lee909 I thought a June 1st cut spread the cost over 2 years? But the dead cap number remain the same correct?

11-05-2017, 09:16 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by lee909 I thought a June 1st cut spread the cost over 2 years? Often the case, but it depends on the terms of the contract and when it was signed... lee909 likes this.

11-05-2017, 10:14 AM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Often the case, but it depends on the terms of the contract and when it was signed... But when you opt out the remaining dead cap money comes off the books. right?

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