2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints

jeanpierre · 04-11-2018, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

JP, there’s a draft analyst named Jon Ledyard and yesterday on Twitter he was showing Frank Ragnow clips. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen someone take an Alabama D-Lineman to church the way Ragnow did to Da’Ron Payne.

If Ragnow drops into the 3rd round, I’d definitely package our extra 5th and 6th to try moving up for him. He spends 2018 as a backup interior guy a la Kelemete and he starts at center in 2019. Releasing Unger next year frees up $6.25 million in cap space.

Chris, I don't know in what universe that Ragnow falls to the third round...

Yeah, he's a Center, but I've felt he was first round grade prospect for a year now, still feel that way...

I'd only lowered him into my second round group because I felt there were other guys I'd given priority like Taven Bryan and Leighton Vander Esch...

Make no secret for my disdain for Mr. Glass and his unavailable"ness" coupled with having three (now four) left tackles on the roster...

I'd like to move on, get younger, and attain easier-to-fill LG or RT...

Peat or Ramczyk can easily man the LT spot, giving us cap friendly numbers for at least a couple more seasons...

And allowing the unit to play more cohesively than eight (8) games in the regular season together...

We could use that late one or early 2 on Armstead with teams like the Browns, Colts, Chargers and fill out our front seven or direct return on the offensive line...

K Major · 04-11-2018, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'd like to move on, get younger, and attain easier-to-fill LG or RT...

We could use that late one or early 2 on Armstead with teams like the Browns, Colts, Chargers and fill out our front seven or direct return on the offensive line...

What players are you cutting to absorb the dead money money in a trade? No player is beyond a trade, however Terron is more valuable to the Saints vs what we would get out of him in a trade scenario.

Best case scenario for 2018 is that we get the Armstead we thought we were going to get when he signed that massive contract.

jeanpierre · 04-11-2018, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

What players are you cutting to absorb the dead money money in a trade? No player is beyond a trade, however Terron is more valuable to the Saints vs what we would get out of him in a trade scenario.

Best case scenario for 2018 is that we get the Armstead we thought we were going to get when he signed that massive contract.

One option would be a sign-and-trade where he gets more guaranteed money on the back-end to move the upfront hit...

But, per Over the Cap AND Spotrac, we'd gain $2.9mil in a Pre-June 1st designated trade and $10.3mil in a Post-Jun 1st designated trade...

The Pre-June 1st would revive our rookie pool without having to rework any other contracts...

OverTheCap.com - New Orleans Saints 2018

Spotrac - New Orleans Saints 2018

halloween 65 · 04-11-2018, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

What players are you cutting to absorb the dead money money in a trade? No player is beyond a trade, however Terron is more valuable to the Saints vs what we would get out of him in a trade scenario.

Best case scenario for 2018 is that we get the Armstead we thought we were going to get when he signed that massive contract.

I think the most we could get for him would be a mid to late 2nd at best. Like JP said the LT position could be handled by Peat or Ram. I'm liking Sean Welsh Iowa C/G in the 4th that could plug in at G or C if needed. I don't think we have enough depth at G or C.

K Major · 04-12-2018, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I think the most we could get for him would be a mid to late 2nd at best. Like JP said the LT position could be handled by Peat or Ram. I'm liking Sean Welsh Iowa C/G in the 4th that could plug in at G or C if needed. I don't think we have enough depth at G or C.

Salary wise, it makes no sense. Terron isn't getting traded in 2018. Even with the thought of reshuffling guys (Ramz/Peat) as you point out, you still have to get a 1st, even 2nd as a reliable starter. And there are no guarantees that player will be remotely close to the level of Armstead.

2019 would be more realistic with trade discussions on TA.

halloween 65 · 04-12-2018, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Salary wise, it makes no sense. Terron isn't getting traded in 2018. Even with the thought of reshuffling guys (Ramz/Peat) as you point out, you still have to get a 1st, even 2nd as a reliable starter. And there are no guarantees that player will be remotely close to the level of Armstead.

2019 would be more realistic with trade discussions on TA.

Personally I like Armstead, he come from a little known college in Arkansas and has been really, really good for us considering where we drafted him. The downside is he is not seeing nearly the playing time with injury. We already have 2 highly capable LT that could take care of the LT spot if he goes down but as far as any depth whatsoever at C/G there is nothing at all which is a huge problem ( hole really) so do we roll the dice on a often hurt player which would leave a hole in the line or do we trade him now with teams hurting for a LT and pick up an xtra pick to void that hole if Armstead goes down? I understand your point financially but we have no, nada, nothing as depth on the O line and (need) some. I do get skidish about rookies when remembering Charlie Brown but we have to roll the dice somewhere.

04-11-2018, 04:06 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI JP, there’s a draft analyst named Jon Ledyard and yesterday on Twitter he was showing Frank Ragnow clips. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen someone take an Alabama D-Lineman to church the way Ragnow did to Da’Ron Payne. If Ragnow drops into the 3rd round, I’d definitely package our extra 5th and 6th to try moving up for him. He spends 2018 as a backup interior guy a la Kelemete and he starts at center in 2019. Releasing Unger next year frees up $6.25 million in cap space. Chris, I don't know in what universe that Ragnow falls to the third round... Yeah, he's a Center, but I've felt he was first round grade prospect for a year now, still feel that way... I'd only lowered him into my second round group because I felt there were other guys I'd given priority like Taven Bryan and Leighton Vander Esch... Make no secret for my disdain for Mr. Glass and his unavailable"ness" coupled with having three (now four) left tackles on the roster... I'd like to move on, get younger, and attain easier-to-fill LG or RT... Peat or Ramczyk can easily man the LT spot, giving us cap friendly numbers for at least a couple more seasons... And allowing the unit to play more cohesively than eight (8) games in the regular season together... We could use that late one or early 2 on Armstead with teams like the Browns, Colts, Chargers and fill out our front seven or direct return on the offensive line...
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04-11-2018, 04:17 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'd like to move on, get younger, and attain easier-to-fill LG or RT... We could use that late one or early 2 on Armstead with teams like the Browns, Colts, Chargers and fill out our front seven or direct return on the offensive line... What players are you cutting to absorb the dead money money in a trade? No player is beyond a trade, however Terron is more valuable to the Saints vs what we would get out of him in a trade scenario. Best case scenario for 2018 is that we get the Armstead we thought we were going to get when he signed that massive contract.

04-11-2018, 04:29 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by K Major What players are you cutting to absorb the dead money money in a trade? No player is beyond a trade, however Terron is more valuable to the Saints vs what we would get out of him in a trade scenario. Best case scenario for 2018 is that we get the Armstead we thought we were going to get when he signed that massive contract. One option would be a sign-and-trade where he gets more guaranteed money on the back-end to move the upfront hit... But, per Over the Cap AND Spotrac, we'd gain $2.9mil in a Pre-June 1st designated trade and $10.3mil in a Post-Jun 1st designated trade... The Pre-June 1st would revive our rookie pool without having to rework any other contracts... OverTheCap.com - New Orleans Saints 2018 Spotrac - New Orleans Saints 2018
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04-11-2018, 08:49 PM	#4
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by K Major What players are you cutting to absorb the dead money money in a trade? No player is beyond a trade, however Terron is more valuable to the Saints vs what we would get out of him in a trade scenario. Best case scenario for 2018 is that we get the Armstead we thought we were going to get when he signed that massive contract. I think the most we could get for him would be a mid to late 2nd at best. Like JP said the LT position could be handled by Peat or Ram. I'm liking Sean Welsh Iowa C/G in the 4th that could plug in at G or C if needed. I don't think we have enough depth at G or C.

04-12-2018, 07:59 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by halloween 65 I think the most we could get for him would be a mid to late 2nd at best. Like JP said the LT position could be handled by Peat or Ram. I'm liking Sean Welsh Iowa C/G in the 4th that could plug in at G or C if needed. I don't think we have enough depth at G or C. Salary wise, it makes no sense. Terron isn't getting traded in 2018. Even with the thought of reshuffling guys (Ramz/Peat) as you point out, you still have to get a 1st, even 2nd as a reliable starter. And there are no guarantees that player will be remotely close to the level of Armstead. 2019 would be more realistic with trade discussions on TA.

04-12-2018, 08:26 AM	#6
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2018 NFL Draft Prospects - Saints Originally Posted by K Major Salary wise, it makes no sense. Terron isn't getting traded in 2018. Even with the thought of reshuffling guys (Ramz/Peat) as you point out, you still have to get a 1st, even 2nd as a reliable starter. And there are no guarantees that player will be remotely close to the level of Armstead. 2019 would be more realistic with trade discussions on TA. Personally I like Armstead, he come from a little known college in Arkansas and has been really, really good for us considering where we drafted him. The downside is he is not seeing nearly the playing time with injury. We already have 2 highly capable LT that could take care of the LT spot if he goes down but as far as any depth whatsoever at C/G there is nothing at all which is a huge problem ( hole really) so do we roll the dice on a often hurt player which would leave a hole in the line or do we trade him now with teams hurting for a LT and pick up an xtra pick to void that hole if Armstead goes down? I understand your point financially but we have no, nada, nothing as depth on the O line and (need) some. I do get skidish about rookies when remembering Charlie Brown but we have to roll the dice somewhere.

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