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GumboBC 04-08-2005 06:16 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
I'd like everyone to give me your top-10 ACTIVE QBs in the NFL.

Also, I'd like for everyone to make a brief statement as to why you like them. Brief statement please. No need to write a book ...

I'm not going to give my list just so this thing can go as smoothly as possible. ;) But, I will give it later.

1. ?
2. ?
3.?
4. ?
5. ?
6. ?
7. ?
8. ?
9. ?
10. ?

saintswhodi 04-08-2005 06:19 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
I\'ll keep playing your game, transparent as it is, but give your list first. Don\'t use this as an opportunity just to criticize others. Make a list, and then we will follow. How about that? :o

GumboBC 04-08-2005 06:25 PM

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I\'ll keep playing your game, transparent as it is, but give your list first. Don\'t use this as an opportunity just to criticize others. Make a list, and then we will follow. How about that? :o
I think it will go better if I don\'t give my list first. We\'ll just leave it at that.

saintswhodi 04-08-2005 06:28 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
Hey, # 1 is no surprise. We know who you got. I don\'t know how it will go better if you just get to sit back and criticize other people\'s lists. How about this, until you post your list you do not criticize anyone else\'s? Fair?

GumboBC 04-08-2005 06:30 PM

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Hey, # 1 is no surprise. We know who you got. I don\'t know how it will go better if you just get to sit back and criticize other people\'s lists. How about this, until you post your list you do not criticize anyone else\'s? Fair?
I wasn\'t planning on criticising anyone to begin with. I prefer to discuss things. But, \"sometimes\" I just go with the flow of the responses that I recieve.

There will be no critcising from me, saintwhodi.

papz 04-08-2005 06:34 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
Here dammit... I\'ll go first. Nevermind someone will just bring up a bunch of numbers... stats, stats, more stats, and I\'ll just be wrong. But...

#1 Tom Brady... I\'ll take his rings as would anyone else than any numbers Peyton will put up throughout his career. I\'ll stop here. :cool:


saintswhodi 04-08-2005 06:41 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
Okay papz, I will go with number two. Peyton.

natedogg02 04-08-2005 07:05 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
#3 - Kordell Stewart lol just kiding. who now Mcnabb or Culpepper? Brooks should be around here somewhere. Now that i think about it AB is prob better then DC (all he had to do is throw deep and high to Moss). I guess Mcnabb (or a healthy Steve Mcnair) is #3 then toss up Brooks, Culpepper, Green

GumboBC 04-08-2005 07:21 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
Okay ... I think some of you are scared for one reason or another.. ;)

But I ain\'t scared :exclam:

1. Tom Brady - Mr. Clutch. He just gets it done.


2. Peyton Manning - Jesus. He just amazes me with his accuracy and his decison making. Only knock I have on him is he always has one terrible game in the playoffs. And that\'s always the last playoff game as the Colts always lose.

3. Mike Vick -- Running doesn\'t count for a QB? Well, it does in my book and Vick carries that team on his back.

4. Donte\' Culpepper -- Maybe it has been Randy Moss that\'s made Culpepper look like a superstar. Until he doesn\'t get it done without Moss, then Culpepper is up there with the best of \'em.

5. Steve McNair - It\'s coming to an end for McNair. Or .. so it appears. But the guy can do it all.

6. Brett Favre - Like McNair, it\'s coming to an end for Favre but I think he still has a little left.

I\'m going to have to think on 7 - 10
:cool:

[Edited on 9/4/2005 by GumboBC]

saintswhodi 04-08-2005 07:22 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
Okay, getting to AB in the top 5???? I quit. ;)

dannymac909 04-08-2005 07:26 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
1. T.Brady ---- 3 super bowl rings

2. P.Manning --- With a Super Bowl Win or two;
could be considered the best of all-time.
Right now he\'s stuck behind Brady.

3.D.Mcnabb---- Effortless, got it done for years with inferior skill
players before T.O.

4.D.Culpepper-- Great physical attributes with huge numbers
Without Moss could stuggle. He is what Arron
Brooks should be.

5.T.Green--- Really falls off after top 4. Even with Holmes out
Green still played well. Directs the scariest
offense in the NFL outside of Indy. 4591 yards in
2005.

6.B.Farve--- Wins year after year with a ever-changing
group of recievers. His gunslinging approach has
not been as attractive in the last few years.
Would be higher if not for too many huge
mistakes. Still feared throughout the league.

7.B. Roethlisberger---- Will only get better. Extremely poised for
a rookie. It\'s early but should have a fine
career.

8.D.Brees--- At the #8 spot it really starts to become wide open.
As with Big Ben, its a little early to speculate if Brees
will become a top 10 regular but 27 tds vs 7 ints is
good enough for the #8 spot

9.M.Vick---- He wins games for an franchise that is generally
pitiful but does not put up numbers. He has game
changing ability but is by no means a polished
player. As over-rated as I think Vick is he still
garners the #9 position.

10.M.Bulger-- Bulger plays well despite no obvious game plan or
help from his inferior coaching staff. He tends to be
streaky despite a consistent group of skill players.
A good quarterback but a top ten? Blame it on
attrition.



papz 04-08-2005 07:32 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
Wow I\'m surprised there is not stats... I mean come on now... better stats means better quarterback right?!

/sarcasm

spkb25 04-08-2005 07:52 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
1. brady
2. manning
3.mcnabb
4. culpepper
5. drew brees after last season
6. and on i think you have the same thing
7. you have your third teir guys chicago,washington and such

JKool 04-08-2005 07:54 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
1. Brady
2. Manning
3. McNabb
3. Roethisberger
3. Brees
6. Culpepper
7. McNair
7. Farve
9. Green
10. I really don\'t know who would go here, but it isn\'t Vick.

spkb25 04-08-2005 08:09 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
hey jkool i dont agree 100% with your list but most of it i do. the one thing i love about your list is number 10. because it doesnt go to vick. great runner just not a great qb yet. love that bro

natedogg02 04-08-2005 08:17 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
for real
1. Brady - done been said
2. manning - done been said
3.Mcnair- when healthy
4.Mcnabb - done been said
5.Farve - dont see him winning another SB but can still beat cha at any time
6.Brooks - I\'ve said many times why
7.Green - If they had a Defense he could take them to SB
(much like #6)
8.Culpepper - most ints in 03 turned around in 04, with moss gone we will see in 05, how good he is
9.Vick - can take off at any time for a TD
10.Roethlisberger - can easily move up this list in 05, he\'s a gamer (much like #1)

this is how i see them, No overrating none of em

spkb25 04-08-2005 08:19 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
i dont disagree with brooks at 6 along with a lot of other qb\'s. and you just cant put culpepper as far down as you did. he played very well last year without moss.

dberce1 04-08-2005 10:33 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
1. Bubby Brister
2. Doug Flutie
3. Jim Harbaugh
4. Wade Wilson
5. Danny White
6. Chris Chandler
7. John Fourcade
8. Sage Rosenfells
9. Jeff Blake circa 2004
10. Kliff Kingsbury

FireVenturi 04-08-2005 11:59 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
1.Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. D McNabb
4. D Culpepper
5. Farve
6. M Vick
7. Big Ben
8. S McNair
9.T Green
10. A Brooks

BreesFN9 04-09-2005 08:50 AM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
#1. Brady- Easy
#2. Manning- We all know why he\'s not #1
#3. Mcnabb- He\'s gaining
#4. Culpepper- Improving still! Without Moss we\'ll see how good he really is.
#5. Mcnair- Still got it!
#6. Green- Keeps piling up numbers.
#7. Carr- Ready for a breakout year, TOUGH as Nails, and an under rated runner. Fun too watch!
#8. Leftwitch- Also on the verge, good size, speed and arm.
#9.Brees- Finally put it together last year, we\'ll see if he can repeat his success?
#10. Plummer- Great tenacity, tough and slick. Without the mental lapses at times possibly a top 5 QB.

P.S Hard to argue that the AFC South has the BEST group of QB\'s in the league. That\'s why they\'re all in my top 10.

WhoDat 04-09-2005 09:40 AM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
1. Peyton Manning - You\'re telling me Brady could do what Manning has for the Colts? Give Manning NE\'s team and they don\'t lose until he retires.

2. Tom Brady - the guy just wins

3. D. Culpepper - All the tools, we\'ll see what he does with a D.

4. B Favre - legendary

5. Mike Vick - can anyone else single-handedly change a game like he can?

6. Donovan McNabb - Other than Brady or Manning, has anyone won more games in the last 4 years?

7. B. Roethlisberger - Assuming that last year wasn\'t a fluke, this kid should maybe be 3rd.

8. Drew Brees - assuming last year wasn\'t a fluke, he finally woke up. If not, then he has to be down in AB land.

9. Steve McNair - Tough as hell and a winner. Had it all, but he is on the down side. Too many injuries.

10. Chad Pennington - If the guy could stay healthy, he\'d be top 5. Even injured he keeps his QB rating in the 90\'s.

11. Marc Bulger - If he can get out from under Martz I think he can be darn good. Even with Martz he\'s pretty decent.

12. Jake Delhomme - Improvement in his second year as a starter - a winner and a fighter.

13. Trent Green - Numbers for miles, but he can\'t get \'em over the hump and it helps to be in that offense. Hard to argue with a QB rating in the 95s I guess.

14. Byron Leftwich - He has all the tools he just needs to develop them. (Palmer & Carr could fit this bill also).

15. Billy Volek - The next big thing. He\'ll be good.

16. Matt Hassleback - just be consistent and you could be top 10 Matt.

17. Plummer/Griese - Both big names that have been average. Both could get close to the top 10, but I doubt either ever will.

18. Aaron Brooks - all the tools to be top 10, none of the brains. He\'ll have one or two more years in his career where he gets close or just in the top 10, but that\'s it. He will always be inconsistent and streaky.

19. Patrick Ramsey - someone sign this kid away from the Redskins and he could be serviceable to good.

20. Joey Harrington - ugh.

[Edited on 9/4/2005 by WhoDat]

GumboBC 04-09-2005 09:47 AM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
I got one question for the guys that have Ben Roethlisberger in their top 10.

First - Ben threw less than 300-passes last season.

Second - Ben threw only 17TD passes.

Third - Ben threw almost as many INTs (11) as he did TDs.

I just can\'t see top 10.

WhoDat 04-09-2005 09:50 AM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
QB rating - 98.1 - 5th. (his TD to INT ratio was better than Brooks\')

GumboBC 04-09-2005 10:10 AM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
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QB rating - 98.1 - 5th. (his TD to INT ratio was better than Brooks\')
I\'m not knocking anyone with who that put in their top 10. So many things have to be taken into consideration.

But I think you place way to much importance on QB Rating. QB Rating really isn\'t all that important.

For instance. I think John Elway is the greatest QB ever.

But, take a look at his QB ratings:

1983- 54.9
1984- 76.8
1985- 70.2
1986- 79.0
1987- 83.4
1988 - 71.4
1989- 73.7
19890- 78.5
1991- 75.4
1992- 65.7
1993- 92.8
1984- 85.7
1995- 86.4
1996- 89.2
1997- 87.5
1998- 93.0

According to Elway\'s QB-Rating, he looks like a bum.

saintswhodi 04-09-2005 10:16 AM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
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1993- 92.8
1984- 85.7
1995- 86.4
1996- 89.2
1997- 87.5
1998- 93.0
I wish this kinda bum played for us. ;)

saintswhodi 04-09-2005 10:18 AM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
What happened to his Gum?
Quote:

I wasn\'t planning on criticising anyone to begin with. I prefer to discuss things. But, \"sometimes\" I just go with the flow of the responses that I recieve.

There will be no critcising from me, saintwhodi.
Hhhmmm, a few posts ago
Quote:

I got one question for the guys that have Ben Roethlisberger in their top 10.

First - Ben threw less than 300-passes last season.

Second - Ben threw only 17TD passes.

Third - Ben threw almost as many INTs (11) as he did TDs.

I just can\'t see top 10.
Seems critical of those who have been in their top 10, and I have yet to see yours completed. Wow. Someone predicted that. :o And Peyton at TWO????? You would think the guy had no idea what he was doing as much as you down him. According to your other thread, shouldn\'t Kurt Warner be before him? :P

[Edited on 9/4/2005 by saintswhodi]

FireVenturi 04-09-2005 10:24 AM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
I hope whodat was kidding by putting Peyton at #1. He has all of the talent and all of the choking ability.

GumboBC 04-09-2005 10:26 AM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
Quote:

What happened to his Gum?
Quote:

I wasn\'t planning on criticising anyone to begin with. I prefer to discuss things. But, \"sometimes\" I just go with the flow of the responses that I recieve.

There will be no critcising from me, saintwhodi.
Hhhmmm, a few posts ago
Quote:

I got one question for the guys that have Ben Roethlisberger in their top 10.

First - Ben threw less than 300-passes last season.

Second - Ben threw only 17TD passes.

Third - Ben threw almost as many INTs (11) as he did TDs.

I just can\'t see top 10.
Seems critical of those who have been in their top 10, and I have yet to see yours completed. Wow. Someone predicted that. :o And Peyton at TWO????? You would think the guy had no idea what he was doing as much as you down him. According to your other thread, shouldn\'t Kurt Warner be before him? :P

[Edited on 9/4/2005 by saintswhodi]
As I said earlier, I would rather \"discuss\" things. There was no criticism from me, whodi. Just discussion.

You\'ll understand that concept one day. Hopefully ... ;)

BreesFN9 04-09-2005 10:28 AM

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I hope whodat was kidding by putting Peyton at #1. He has all of the talent and all of the choking ability.
:xxrotflmao: :xxrotflmao: :xxrotflmao: :

That was AWESOME!


GumboBC 04-09-2005 10:29 AM

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Quote:

Quote:

1993- 92.8
1984- 85.7
1995- 86.4
1996- 89.2
1997- 87.5
1998- 93.0
I wish this kinda bum played for us. ;)
As usual, saintwhodi, you pick and choose whatever fits your thinking. You did see all those other years for Elway?

Selective reading habits, I suppose ...

saintswhodi 04-09-2005 10:31 AM

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As usual, saintwhodi, you pick and choose whatever fits your thinking. You did see all those other years for Elway?

Selective reading habits, I suppose ...
Yeah, I SELECT to read that when Elway got a team around him, his rating went WAY up. I also select to read that Elway went to what 3 Superbowls with his ratings? Very selective. ;)

GumboBC 04-09-2005 10:42 AM

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Quote:

Quote:

As usual, saintwhodi, you pick and choose whatever fits your thinking. You did see all those other years for Elway?

Selective reading habits, I suppose ...
Yeah, I SELECT to read that when Elway got a team around him, his rating went WAY up. I also select to read that Elway went to what 3 Superbowls with his ratings? Very selective. ;)
As usual ... You are wrong!

John Elway went to FIVE Super Bowls!!

These are Elway\'s Super Bowl years (and QB Ratings)

1986- 79.0 QB Rating
1987- 83.4
1989- 73.7
1997- 87.5
1998- 93.0

Back to the drawing board for you, saintwhodi!

saintswhodi 04-09-2005 10:44 AM

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Nice try. I thought we were excluding the \"better rating years\" because you were saying I was being selective on those. Elway went to THREE SUPERBOWLS IN THE POOR RATNG YEARS. Try again. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o And you even provided the years to make the statement even more correct. Maybe I should let you argue yourself? ;)

[Edited on 9/4/2005 by saintswhodi]

GumboBC 04-09-2005 10:48 AM

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Quote:

Nice try. I thought we were excluding the \"better rating years\" because you were saying I was being selective on those. Elway went to THREE SUPERBOWLS IN THE POOR RATNG YEARS. Try again. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o And you even provided the years to make the statement even more correct. Maybe I should let you argue yourself? ;)

[Edited on 9/4/2005 by saintswhodi]
What? You lost me with that post.

The whole point is you \"selected\" Elway\'s best years as far as QB Rating was concerned.

I just showed you he went to 3 other super bowls and he didn\'t have very good QB Ratings.

Don\'t just look at part of the picture, saintwhodi. That\'s where you get yourself in trouble and it makes me have to spend a lot of time setting you straight.

You are not the only member on here that I have to set straight. I\'m a busy guy. Please be considerate of this. LMAO!! :D

saintswhodi 04-09-2005 10:54 AM

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Quote:

What? You lost me with that post.
That\'s not too hard. ;)

Quote:

The whole point is you \"selected\" Elway\'s best years as far as QB Rating was concerned.
Yes, exactly why I excluded them in the statement he went to three Superbowls.

Quote:

I just showed you he went to 3 other super bowls and he didn\'t have very good QB Ratings.
Actually, I showed that to you, and am now having to explain it.

Quote:

Don\'t just look at part of the picture, saintwhodi. That\'s where you get yourself in trouble and it makes me have to spend a lot of time setting you straight.
The day you set anyone straight is the day AB leads this team to a Superbowl. I think we all know when that will be.

Quote:

You are not the only member on here that I have to set straight. I\'m a busy guy. Please be considerate of this. LMAO!!
AB fan website having trouble getting off the ground huh? Gotcha. lol Thanks for waking me up this morning. :cool:

Tobias-Reiper 04-09-2005 11:11 AM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 

Top 10 active QB\'s according to the NFL
1.- Michael Vick
2.- Michael Vick
3.- Michael Vick
4.- Ron Mexico
5 - Michael Vick
6 - Michael Vick
7 - Michael Vick
8 - Vick, Michael
9 - Michael Vick
10 The Atlanta QB.

Top 10 active QB\'s according to Gumbo:
1.- Aaron Brooks

there..

JKool 04-09-2005 11:54 AM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
Quote:

First - Ben threw less than 300-passes last season.

Second - Ben threw only 17TD passes.

Third - Ben threw almost as many INTs (11) as he did TDs.
(1) That is good coaching, play calling, and game planning. If you\'ve got a rookie QB, that is what you should do. Obviously, the number of passes Ben threw isn\'t a reflection on his ability or on him much if at all. If you are merely pointing out that there isn\'t enough information on which to judge Ben, I agree if his stats are the only thing on which to judge him. He did however show a lot more on the field than his mere stats.

(2) Agreed, so what? The number of TDs thrown are not the only measure of a QB. He protected the ball and did what was asked of him - keep the defense and our running game in good position.

(3) Actually, 17-11 is 1.55 to 1, which is VERY high for a rookie QB. Most QBs who start within their first two years have this ratio around 1-1. So, this stat actually shows how good Ben was relative to others who have come in and started.

As for Vick, he\'s overrated. He has trouble throwing the short pass, which will hurt the team once someone figures out how to contain him. I agree with these claims - he can change the game like no one else, and he can run like a son-of-a-b**ch. However, I actually don\'t think those things make him a great QB - though they do make him a heck of a football player. Maybe that is a dumb distinction, but that is how I see it.

TR - Ron Mexico, I love it!

saintfan 04-09-2005 01:03 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
Quote:

when Elway got a team around him, his rating went WAY up.
Could someone PLEASE explain this to Whodat? ;)

The \"QB\" rating should be renamed to \"Team Passing Rating\" or something similar. The QB rating ain\'t all on the QB boys.

GumboBC 04-09-2005 01:15 PM

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Quote:

Quote:

when Elway got a team around him, his rating went WAY up.
Could someone PLEASE explain this to Whodat? ;)

The \"QB\" rating should be renamed to \"Team Passing Rating\" or something similar. The QB rating ain\'t all on the QB boys.
Let me know how that works out ...

WhoDat\'s problem is that he doesn\'t realize that the QB is affected more than any other \"single\" player by his teammate\'s play.

WhoDat prefers to hold Brooks soley responsible for completion percentage, not scoring enough in the first quarter (that fits this year so he uses it) QB rating, etc., ect.,...

WhoDat used to say the samething about McNabb when he never completed 60% of his passes. WhoDat said McNabb wasn\'t accurate enough and that\'s why he was below 60%. But McNabb proved him wrong.

Hell, Dan Marino only completed 60% of his passes TWICE in his first 10-years in the NFL. But that\'s Marino. I\'m sure WhoDat would make excuses for Marino and put the blame somewhere else.

BUT ... didn\'t WhoDat just say he preferred to place the blame on the QB and not somewhere else? I\'m sure he said that!!


[Edited on 9/4/2005 by GumboBC]

saintfan 04-09-2005 01:31 PM

Who are the top 10 active Quarterbacks?
 
The QB rating doesn\'t factor in a LOT of things. Something that jumps out at me...well...a couple things:

3 10 yard passes, TD. QB rating in the 140\'s.

2 incompletions and a 30 yard TD pass on 3rd down. QB rating 111-ish.

QB completes a 5 yard pass behind the line of scrimmage for a 5 yard loss and his rating will be better than that of the QB who chose instead to throw the ball away.

Weather isn\'t a factor, which is one of the reasons you\'ll never see Brady\'s rating top Mannings.

It doesn\'t factor in poor route running or WR\'s dropping catchable passes.

There are a MILLION things that are wrong with using the QB rating to judge a QB. Most players, fans, and even agents agree. Some people just like numbers I guess.


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