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LKelley67 · 04-11-2005, 01:33 PM

Every report I read said Sullivan got in Haslett\'s dog-house because he reported out of shape and he had a bad attitude.

that sounds like sucking to me

BRSaintsFan · 04-11-2005, 01:35 PM

gumbo, then as i said i would, i apologize for bringing it into play. I have no grudge against sullivan. but put the grady jackson into persepctive. he was in the same boat as sullivan. labeled as washed up whereas i am labeling sullivan as untalented and both were overweight in their stints as Saints. jackson left for green bay where he plugged the middle and was a huge improvement for their run defense two season ago(last season he was hurt and the numbers reflect that). but i am not angry that he was cut here and went and played well elsewhere. at that time, i felt that he should have been cut for the same reasons that i am saying that sullivan should be cut. it is no grudge. and im not saying that i would rather wait for a rookie to develop than have sullivan break out next season. all im saying is that i would rather get someone with more talent and motivation and let sullivan test his \"talent\" elsewhere.

GumboBC · 04-11-2005, 01:37 PM

Every report I read said Sullivan got in Haslett\'s dog-house because he reported out of shape and he had a bad attitude.

that sounds like sucking to me

I don\'t think I\'ve ever seen anything negative that you didn\'t agree with.

Devery Henderson muct suck too, huh?

The fact of the matter is that Haslett and company still think Sullivan can be a very good DT. They said he has all the talent in the world but his attitude is bad.

Now, you make of it what you will. Sullivan has NOT sucked on the field. Sullian\'s attitude and work-ethic has been what\'s kept him off the field.

And it might be his downfall once again. Then again ... he might have a break-out year.

[Edited on 11/4/2005 by GumboBC]

saintswhodi · 04-11-2005, 01:41 PM

NO Derrick Rodgers was out for the second straight game due to his back and rookie Colby Bockwoldt once again replaced him. Bockwoldt had another strong game, posting 5 solo tackles and his first career sack. Rodgers\'s season may be over, as it appears he could have a ruptured disc in his back requiring surgery. Two other key inactives involved much more bizarre stories. Rookie Courtney Watson was off to a hot start after winning the starting MLB job before injuring his knee Week 5. While recovering, he apparently ran into HC Jim Haslett\'s doghouse, as well. This came to head last week when Watson missed a team meeting and walk-through Saturday morning and was not allowed on the team flight to Atlanta. He bought his own ticket and flew commercial to get there, only to be benched for the game. Orlando Ruff remains the starter at MLB. DT Jonathan Sullivan was inactive again, as he has been a healthy scratch the last few weeks for poor play, missing meetings, and being overweight. He didn\'t show much progress in the diet area before the game Sunday when he reportedly stopped in the Georgia Dome press room for a pregame meal. Howard Green remains the starter at DT over the former 1st round pick.

http://www.fftoday.com/articles/idpt...es_04_wk13.htm

Want some proof that there is entirely too much emphasis put on the NFL draft? Georgia has put a lot of top-notch talent into the NFL in recent years. Jonathan Sullivan is not one of them. The overall #6 pick in the NFL draft a couple of years back was in street clothes on Sunday for the Saints loss to the Falcons. He wasnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t injured, he was just inactive, the Saints coaches deciding that he just wasnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t in a position to buttress their horrendous defense.

http://www.consumerbet.com/sgn_old/12_02_04.html

You do know what a healthy scratch is right? Means there is NO reason for you not to be playing except you just aren\'t good enough. He wasn\'t suspended. So just admit to us you pay attention to the Saints when it fits you, and ignore the common knowledge that Sullivan was a healthy scratch vitually all season due to just lack-luster sub-par play.

GumboBC · 04-11-2005, 01:47 PM

saintwhodi --

Please quit making things up.

The article clearly says Sullivan missed meetings and was over-weight.

Healthy scratch means that Haslett didn\'t play him because he didn\'t want to play him. And that\'s ALL it means.

Devery Henderson did NOT play one play last year. But you like that dude.

A second round draft pick didn\'t even get on the field for ONE play. But you love that guy.

I hope you\'re trying to fool someone esle, saintwhodi. You better wake up a lot earlier to get one over on me.

[Edited on 11/4/2005 by GumboBC]

BRSaintsFan · 04-11-2005, 01:47 PM

And the fact that the Saints deactivated Sullivan when he was completely healthy, thus not only not naming him as a starter, but not deeming him worthy of backup duty either, seems to show that they do not have much faith in him. Cut him. Draft Travis Johnson or wait later and get one of those boys from Mizzou. Even put Rodney Leisle in. At least he\'ll give a little effort.

baronm · 04-11-2005, 01:51 PM

leslie might actually be better than some of the tackles we could get in the draft..

JOESAM2002 · 04-11-2005, 02:10 PM

Tic toc,tic toc, get the picture? You guys quit the personal stuff please. Seems to me you\'re just saying the same things over and over. Let\'s get back to the original posting.

LKelley67 · 04-11-2005, 02:23 PM

I don\'t think I\'ve ever seen anything negative that you didn\'t agree with

after i earlier pleaded for less dialogue about posters you persist in personal vindictiveness. stirring the pot may be enjoyable to you but i do not think it does much for the site.

you commonly turn to this approach (or disappear from a thread) when not able to sufficiently rebut in debate.

convoluted logic:

Sullivan has NOT sucked on the field. Sullian\'s attitude and work-ethic has been what\'s kept him off the field.

1. yes, i do think he has sucked on the fiels when he was on it.
2. if you have that much supposed talent as you forward and cannot make it, not on the field- not even on the active roster (!!!), how much more indictment is necessary?

as for keeping him, we\'ll see. 3million dollars for nothing is 3million dollars for nothing whether he is there in body or not. if the cap hit isn\'t dramatically different i won\'t be surprised to see him 377 pounds and chowing down buckets of fried chicken in griffin, georgia this fall.

LKelley67 · 04-11-2005, 02:25 PM

thanks joesam, i had my reply screen up for a while (cooling off) and didn\'t see your post

04-11-2005, 01:33 PM	#41
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Darren Howard MONDAY Buzz Every report I read said Sullivan got in Haslett\'s dog-house because he reported out of shape and he had a bad attitude. that sounds like sucking to me

04-11-2005, 01:35 PM	#42
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Darren Howard MONDAY Buzz gumbo, then as i said i would, i apologize for bringing it into play. I have no grudge against sullivan. but put the grady jackson into persepctive. he was in the same boat as sullivan. labeled as washed up whereas i am labeling sullivan as untalented and both were overweight in their stints as Saints. jackson left for green bay where he plugged the middle and was a huge improvement for their run defense two season ago(last season he was hurt and the numbers reflect that). but i am not angry that he was cut here and went and played well elsewhere. at that time, i felt that he should have been cut for the same reasons that i am saying that sullivan should be cut. it is no grudge. and im not saying that i would rather wait for a rookie to develop than have sullivan break out next season. all im saying is that i would rather get someone with more talent and motivation and let sullivan test his \"talent\" elsewhere.

04-11-2005, 01:37 PM	#43
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Darren Howard MONDAY Buzz Every report I read said Sullivan got in Haslett\'s dog-house because he reported out of shape and he had a bad attitude. that sounds like sucking to me I don\'t think I\'ve ever seen anything negative that you didn\'t agree with. Devery Henderson muct suck too, huh? The fact of the matter is that Haslett and company still think Sullivan can be a very good DT. They said he has all the talent in the world but his attitude is bad. Now, you make of it what you will. Sullivan has NOT sucked on the field. Sullian\'s attitude and work-ethic has been what\'s kept him off the field. And it might be his downfall once again. Then again ... he might have a break-out year. [Edited on 11/4/2005 by GumboBC]
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616

04-11-2005, 01:41 PM	#44
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Darren Howard MONDAY Buzz NO Derrick Rodgers was out for the second straight game due to his back and rookie Colby Bockwoldt once again replaced him. Bockwoldt had another strong game, posting 5 solo tackles and his first career sack. Rodgers\'s season may be over, as it appears he could have a ruptured disc in his back requiring surgery. Two other key inactives involved much more bizarre stories. Rookie Courtney Watson was off to a hot start after winning the starting MLB job before injuring his knee Week 5. While recovering, he apparently ran into HC Jim Haslett\'s doghouse, as well. This came to head last week when Watson missed a team meeting and walk-through Saturday morning and was not allowed on the team flight to Atlanta. He bought his own ticket and flew commercial to get there, only to be benched for the game. Orlando Ruff remains the starter at MLB. DT Jonathan Sullivan was inactive again, as he has been a healthy scratch the last few weeks for poor play, missing meetings, and being overweight. He didn\'t show much progress in the diet area before the game Sunday when he reportedly stopped in the Georgia Dome press room for a pregame meal. Howard Green remains the starter at DT over the former 1st round pick. http://www.fftoday.com/articles/idpt...es_04_wk13.htm Want some proof that there is entirely too much emphasis put on the NFL draft? Georgia has put a lot of top-notch talent into the NFL in recent years. Jonathan Sullivan is not one of them. The overall #6 pick in the NFL draft a couple of years back was in street clothes on Sunday for the Saints loss to the Falcons. He wasnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t injured, he was just inactive, the Saints coaches deciding that he just wasnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t in a position to buttress their horrendous defense. http://www.consumerbet.com/sgn_old/12_02_04.html You do know what a healthy scratch is right? Means there is NO reason for you not to be playing except you just aren\'t good enough. He wasn\'t suspended. So just admit to us you pay attention to the Saints when it fits you, and ignore the common knowledge that Sullivan was a healthy scratch vitually all season due to just lack-luster sub-par play.

04-11-2005, 01:47 PM	#45
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Darren Howard MONDAY Buzz saintwhodi -- Please quit making things up. The article clearly says Sullivan missed meetings and was over-weight. Healthy scratch means that Haslett didn\'t play him because he didn\'t want to play him. And that\'s ALL it means. Devery Henderson did NOT play one play last year. But you like that dude. A second round draft pick didn\'t even get on the field for ONE play. But you love that guy. I hope you\'re trying to fool someone esle, saintwhodi. You better wake up a lot earlier to get one over on me. [Edited on 11/4/2005 by GumboBC]
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04-11-2005, 01:47 PM	#46
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Darren Howard MONDAY Buzz And the fact that the Saints deactivated Sullivan when he was completely healthy, thus not only not naming him as a starter, but not deeming him worthy of backup duty either, seems to show that they do not have much faith in him. Cut him. Draft Travis Johnson or wait later and get one of those boys from Mizzou. Even put Rodney Leisle in. At least he\'ll give a little effort.

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baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Darren Howard MONDAY Buzz leslie might actually be better than some of the tackles we could get in the draft..
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04-11-2005, 02:10 PM	#48
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Darren Howard MONDAY Buzz Tic toc,tic toc, get the picture? You guys quit the personal stuff please. Seems to me you\'re just saying the same things over and over. Let\'s get back to the original posting.

04-11-2005, 02:23 PM	#49
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Darren Howard MONDAY Buzz I don\'t think I\'ve ever seen anything negative that you didn\'t agree with after i earlier pleaded for less dialogue about posters you persist in personal vindictiveness. stirring the pot may be enjoyable to you but i do not think it does much for the site. you commonly turn to this approach (or disappear from a thread) when not able to sufficiently rebut in debate. convoluted logic: Sullivan has NOT sucked on the field. Sullian\'s attitude and work-ethic has been what\'s kept him off the field. 1. yes, i do think he has sucked on the fiels when he was on it. 2. if you have that much supposed talent as you forward and cannot make it, not on the field- not even on the active roster (!!!), how much more indictment is necessary? as for keeping him, we\'ll see. 3million dollars for nothing is 3million dollars for nothing whether he is there in body or not. if the cap hit isn\'t dramatically different i won\'t be surprised to see him 377 pounds and chowing down buckets of fried chicken in griffin, georgia this fall.

04-11-2005, 02:25 PM	#50
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Darren Howard MONDAY Buzz thanks joesam, i had my reply screen up for a while (cooling off) and didn\'t see your post