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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Tic toc,tic toc, get the picture? You guys quit the personal stuff please. Seems to me you\'re just saying the same things over and over. Let\'s get back to the original posting. I got the picture, JoeSam. I just had ...
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04-11-2005, 02:25 PM | #51 |
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I thought there may be ONE thread that you didn\'t read. LOL Soon the draft will have come and gone. It\'s a long strecth after that with no new Saints\' news being reported. Better make some of those other moderators take up some slack for you. You\'re like the Lone Ranger on here trying to keep things under control. Hard Work. Lots of criticism. But if I\'m come to respect the job you do .... there\'s hope for everyone ... [Edited on 11/4/2005 by GumboBC] |
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04-11-2005, 02:32 PM | #52 |
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LKelley67 --
You\'re right. Even though I think you tend to be on the negative side of the fence more times than not ... That doesn\'t make you wrong. But ... just the same ... I disagree. If Haslett thought Sullivan did haven\'t the skills to get the job done, then I think Haslett would have cut him like he did Tebucky Jones. Furthermore ... Haslett said Sullivan has all the talent in the world but his attitude held him back. Whose opinion should I put more stock in? Yours or Haslett? While Haslett could very well be wrong .. I tend to think he knows a little more about Sullivan that you. And Sullivan was going to be picked in the first round. Probably not the 6th pick, though. Still ... the guy had to show some talent to be picked in the first round. Not getting on the field doesn\'t mean he doesn\'t have talent. What it suggest to me is that Sullivan was very immature and it cost him the starting job that he was handed. I see that many fans are upset with Sullivan. And rightly so. But I just can\'t let my personal feelings get in the way of what\'s best for this team. |
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First, I don\'t think Sullivan has shown anything on an NFL field to prove that he has starting DT talent. The fact that Haslet benched him for poor attitude seems to back this up because Haslet would not have benched him long-term as he did if Haslet thought Sullivan would be able to contribute.
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04-11-2005, 02:50 PM | #54 |
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If we cut Sullivan now we will be hit with the remaining prorated signing bonus. The signing bonus was actually 11 million (7 million when he signed, 4 million before last season). The contract was for 7 years, but could be voided after 5 if Sullivan met certain playing time goals (which he won\'t reach). So it\'s very tricky what will actually count against the cap. 3/5 of the bonus or 5/7 of the bonus? In any case, if we cut him next year he will only count 2/5 or 4/7 of his bonus against the cap. That\'s why cutting Sullivan this year hits us harder cap wise. Well, that\'s actually only true if he\'s cut before June 1st ... If he is cut after June 1st the \"dead money\" counting against the cap is split. Only 1 part of the prorated bonus counts against the cap in the year he is cut, the rest counts next year. This means if we cut him this year on June 2nd, 1/7 of the bonus will count against the cap this year and 4/7 next year. That\'s pretty much the worst case scenario. So what\'s the downside of keeping him in 2005? * The upside of cutting him is that the cap ramifications will be done with after 2005 and he won\'t count anything against the cap in 2006. * If he is a team cancer again and there\'s no other way to send a message but to cut him mid-season, the 4/7 (or 2/5) of his bonus will count against the cap in 2006 without him being on the team. With 2006 being the year we will need every dime, this is - as mentioned above - the worst case scenario. This could be as much as 6 million! And that scenario isn\'t out there, it\'s definitely a possibility. If you want to play it save, you cut him NOW. But as I have stated earlier, the Saints won\'t cut him before June 1st and after that you can\'t very well cut him because of the 2006 cap. |
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if it was only about talent and performance i think he would have been gone already. it is just the contractual obligation that has him here now.
perhaps we need some clintonesque, what do you define as talented? physical tools? size, combine like number analysis? i venture to say you could bring in some athletes to the combine who never played football and wow some coaches. he certainly HAD to have talent to get a scholarship to georgia. he HAD to have some talent to get drafted, even if too high, in the nfl. i think most would define talent as much broader than than physical tools though. nose for the ball, killer instinct, overdrive when the crunch is on, savviness reading the play, etc. you can have talent but if it is not cultured and honed it will subside. know anyone that used to play guitar pretty good but couldn\'t strum a song anymore? giving that many millions of dollars to an immature country kid from georgia and then ask him to step it up is weighty. that is why i have no grudge against him. scouts should have been fired if they misread him that bad. if the reports questioned his instincts then whoever made that decision to leap so far for him should have been canned. tebuck is a similar case. he was a #22 first round pick. load of physical tools dissed by belicheck. load of physical tools when he got he here. load of\'em when he left. when you are a free safety released by the worst defense in the league that is an indictment of truer football talent though. and those types do get more chances. you cannot decide to have physical tools you weren\'t endowed with. you can decide to succeed to the best of your ability though whatever level that might be. you did hijack this darren howard thread too. go start a \'should sullivan be cut?\' thread next time. |
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There\'s little likelihood that he\'ll be cut in \'05 anyway. It may be preferred by some, but he\'s showing just enough attitude change to make him worth the risk versus the cap hit.
I would say he wont be cut before June 1, 2006 so that if he does still suck by then we can spread the remaining hit through 1/7 for \'06 (when we have all the re-signing nightmares) and 3/7 in \'07. I believe that if the Saints are taking the 1/7 cap hit each year, but he was to void the final years if he met the minimum, then the rest of the cap hits would be accelerated into the first year after he voided the contract. This is moot since he wont make playing time minimums to void, but that\'s my best guess as to what would happen. |
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my apoogies for hijacking the thread. im still relatively new with all this. sorry lkelley, i did not mean to take anything from your original post
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no, no, BR. no prob dewd. gumbo did it, post #4
i just mention it cuz i was interested in some howard talk, then it gets obscured by the bickering over sullivan and what one poster thinks of another. |
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04-12-2005, 09:36 AM | #60 |
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saintwhodi --
You want a link where Haslett said Sullivan is a major talent? Wait no longer!!
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