Ingram is 1,395 yards away

hitta · 11-04-2017, 11:34 AM

I see Ingram staying. He's one of those rare players that seems to care more about the team than anything else.

voodooido · 11-11-2017, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

really? the saints will opt out? Who will take his place in the rotation?
Draft picking 27?

Damien Harris RB Alabama 5096 216 4.55 #34 Jr

Mark Ingram.
Potential Out: 2018, 3 yr, $11,431,671; $1,645,000 dead cap
Savings $4.6 mil in 2018

sorry at 27 I have

Ronnie Harrison SS/OLB Alabama 6011 214 4.54 #15 Jr

Kenny Vaccaro 5/6M?

and pondering

Orlando Brown LT Oklahoma 6071 345 5.47 #78 rJr

Terron Armstead
Potential Out: 2019, 3 yr, $31,321,000; $7,400,000 dead cap

I just can't see the Saints being able to keep AK off the field. The kid is a beast. He can run between the tackles and run any WR route. He is everything we could have hoped for. Reminds me so much of Thurman Thomas with twice the speed/quickness.

voodooido · 11-11-2017, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by exiled

I loved having the Deuce, love him on radio too. I also loved George Rogers. No less because of Deuce. and MI becoming our new leading rusher would make me happy because it is 1400 yards of offense.

I bet Deuce would say the same.

The only record to fall that ever broke my heart was... well The boot. but ANY Saints records being broken by other Saints?

I say Run MI run!

Did Aaron Brooks Passing passer Bobby A-bear make you love him less?

or the obvious Brees over Manning make you dislike Archie? were you not rooting for Brees?

Not sure anyone like Aaron Brooks. That dang smile after throwing an int made me want to kick him in the nutts. The Cinci game solidified him as my most hated saint of all time. As for MIA, its not that I don't think he is serviceable. I just think AK is that much better. Why pay him 6 million a year when we pay AK a fraction of that for better skills? Trade MIA for a rd 3 pick. Someone would bite at that price.

Seer1 · 11-11-2017, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Not sure anyone like Aaron Brooks. That dang smile after throwing an int made me want to kick him in the nutts. The Cinci game solidified him as my most hated saint of all time. As for MIA, its not that I don't think he is serviceable. I just think AK is that much better. Why pay him 6 million a year when we pay AK a fraction of that for better skills? Trade MIA for a rd 3 pick. Someone would bite at that price.

It takes at least two these days. Get rid of one of our two really good RBs for??? We'd actually be able to find someone better in the third round than Mark?

blackangold · 11-11-2017, 11:08 AM

I like Ingram and think he has been solid, but he wasn’t worth a first round pick particularly because we traded up to get him. His first 2 years he was bad, but when he cut weight and got faster I’d say he is a top 10 back in the league.

Seer1 · 11-11-2017, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I like Ingram and think he has been solid, but he wasn’t worth a first round pick particularly because we traded up to get him. His first 2 years he was bad, but when he cut weight and got faster I’d say he is a top 10 back in the league.

With our lousy draft history from those days, any player still around and making major contributions to our victories is definitely worth one of those first round picks.

The Dude · 11-11-2017, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

There's such strange, irrational disdain for Ingram.

Totally agree. His injuries early in his career irked me but i love the guy. Love how he gets when he’s challenged or after he fumbles. Except the other week. I like him more than PT. Kamara is a compliment not a replacement.

jnormand · 11-11-2017, 02:43 PM

A lot of people forget that MI has always shared a large portion of snaps with another back. If he gets traded to a team where he's taking 90% of snaps, he's going to have a big year. You can argue that he might get injured, but you can't argue that giving that man that many snaps isn't going to make him one of the NFLs leading rushers.

K Major · 11-11-2017, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I like Ingram and think he has been solid, but he wasn’t worth a first round pick particularly because we traded up to get him.

Looking back at the 2011 draft, I think MI was money well spent + he's had staying power. Who else even compares to Ingram at the position in terms of production from that entire draft? Demarco Murray maybe ... maybe? IDK, Cam (above avg/elite) and Ingram (solid) were two solid picks by the Saints.

I'm just glad Trent Richardson

wasn't eligible for the 2011 draft.

The Dude · 11-12-2017, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by exiled

I loved having the Deuce, love him on radio too. I also loved George Rogers. No less because of Deuce. and MI becoming our new leading rusher would make me happy because it is 1400 yards of offense.

I bet Deuce would say the same.

The only record to fall that ever broke my heart was... well The boot. but ANY Saints records being broken by other Saints?

I say Run MI run!

Did Aaron Brooks Passing passer Bobby A-bear make you love him less?

or the obvious Brees over Manning make you dislike Archie? were you not rooting for Brees?

I really wanted to quote several other posts on this thread but had to reply to yours for one reason over anyone else’s.

DEUCE IS HORRID ON THE RADIO.
Love the guy and he’s ok for sports talk but along side Henderson he is embarrassing. Little enthusiasm even less personality and just doesn’t flow. Sometimes I can almost hear Jim’s eyes rolling. He totally misses Jim’s jokes and has no banter.

As far as Ingram and his yardage is concerned injury early in his career hurt his stats. He really turned it on the second half of the year several years back when we looked like we may make a playoff run and has been solid ever since. Additionally since 2011 Payton all but abandoned the run game because our defenses have been so damn bad it all rested on Brees shoulders. Our offensive line hadn’t been blocking for the run all that good either.

As someone else said it takes two backs in most systems these days he’s always had to share carries with someone else. Deuce was our main guy. I also like the insurance of a good back for when someone goes down with injury. I love his attitude and the way he runs. I agree there probably isn’t a much better option as far as fair compensation.

Anyway I agree with the rest of your post.
Absolutely hated AB though. Even when we were decent and he played well I hated his attitude and whole personality.
I hope we keep running the ball successfully enough for him to play out his career here. Our defense goes back to bottom of the pack and he can forget it.

11-04-2017, 11:34 AM	#21
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,320	Re: Ingram is 1,395 yards away I see Ingram staying. He's one of those rare players that seems to care more about the team than anything else.
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11-11-2017, 01:14 AM	#22
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Ingram is 1,395 yards away Originally Posted by hagan714 really? the saints will opt out? Who will take his place in the rotation? Draft picking 27? Damien Harris RB Alabama 5096 216 4.55 #34 Jr Mark Ingram. Potential Out: 2018, 3 yr, $11,431,671; $1,645,000 dead cap Savings $4.6 mil in 2018 sorry at 27 I have Ronnie Harrison SS/OLB Alabama 6011 214 4.54 #15 Jr Kenny Vaccaro 5/6M? and pondering Orlando Brown LT Oklahoma 6071 345 5.47 #78 rJr Terron Armstead Potential Out: 2019, 3 yr, $31,321,000; $7,400,000 dead cap I just can't see the Saints being able to keep AK off the field. The kid is a beast. He can run between the tackles and run any WR route. He is everything we could have hoped for. Reminds me so much of Thurman Thomas with twice the speed/quickness.
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11-11-2017, 01:22 AM	#23
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Ingram is 1,395 yards away Originally Posted by exiled I loved having the Deuce, love him on radio too. I also loved George Rogers. No less because of Deuce. and MI becoming our new leading rusher would make me happy because it is 1400 yards of offense. I bet Deuce would say the same. The only record to fall that ever broke my heart was... well The boot. but ANY Saints records being broken by other Saints? I say Run MI run! Did Aaron Brooks Passing passer Bobby A-bear make you love him less? or the obvious Brees over Manning make you dislike Archie? were you not rooting for Brees? Not sure anyone like Aaron Brooks. That dang smile after throwing an int made me want to kick him in the nutts. The Cinci game solidified him as my most hated saint of all time. As for MIA, its not that I don't think he is serviceable. I just think AK is that much better. Why pay him 6 million a year when we pay AK a fraction of that for better skills? Trade MIA for a rd 3 pick. Someone would bite at that price.
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11-11-2017, 10:16 AM	#24
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Ingram is 1,395 yards away Originally Posted by voodooido Not sure anyone like Aaron Brooks. That dang smile after throwing an int made me want to kick him in the nutts. The Cinci game solidified him as my most hated saint of all time. As for MIA, its not that I don't think he is serviceable. I just think AK is that much better. Why pay him 6 million a year when we pay AK a fraction of that for better skills? Trade MIA for a rd 3 pick. Someone would bite at that price. It takes at least two these days. Get rid of one of our two really good RBs for??? We'd actually be able to find someone better in the third round than Mark? RockyMountainSaint likes this.

11-11-2017, 11:08 AM	#25
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Ingram is 1,395 yards away I like Ingram and think he has been solid, but he wasn’t worth a first round pick particularly because we traded up to get him. His first 2 years he was bad, but when he cut weight and got faster I’d say he is a top 10 back in the league. Seer1 likes this.

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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Ingram is 1,395 yards away Originally Posted by blackangold I like Ingram and think he has been solid, but he wasn’t worth a first round pick particularly because we traded up to get him. His first 2 years he was bad, but when he cut weight and got faster I’d say he is a top 10 back in the league. With our lousy draft history from those days, any player still around and making major contributions to our victories is definitely worth one of those first round picks. Rugby Saint II and The Dude like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Ingram is 1,395 yards away Originally Posted by ChrisXVI There's such strange, irrational disdain for Ingram. Totally agree. His injuries early in his career irked me but i love the guy. Love how he gets when he’s challenged or after he fumbles. Except the other week. I like him more than PT. Kamara is a compliment not a replacement. jnormand and Seer1 like this.
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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,660	Re: Ingram is 1,395 yards away A lot of people forget that MI has always shared a large portion of snaps with another back. If he gets traded to a team where he's taking 90% of snaps, he's going to have a big year. You can argue that he might get injured, but you can't argue that giving that man that many snaps isn't going to make him one of the NFLs leading rushers.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Ingram is 1,395 yards away Originally Posted by blackangold I like Ingram and think he has been solid, but he wasn’t worth a first round pick particularly because we traded up to get him. Looking back at the 2011 draft, I think MI was money well spent + he's had staying power. Who else even compares to Ingram at the position in terms of production from that entire draft? Demarco Murray maybe ... maybe? IDK, Cam (above avg/elite) and Ingram (solid) were two solid picks by the Saints. I'm just glad Trent Richardson wasn't eligible for the 2011 draft. SmashMouth and Seer1 like this.

11-12-2017, 03:31 AM	#30
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Ingram is 1,395 yards away Originally Posted by exiled I loved having the Deuce, love him on radio too. I also loved George Rogers. No less because of Deuce. and MI becoming our new leading rusher would make me happy because it is 1400 yards of offense. I bet Deuce would say the same. The only record to fall that ever broke my heart was... well The boot. but ANY Saints records being broken by other Saints? I say Run MI run! Did Aaron Brooks Passing passer Bobby A-bear make you love him less? or the obvious Brees over Manning make you dislike Archie? were you not rooting for Brees? I really wanted to quote several other posts on this thread but had to reply to yours for one reason over anyone else’s. DEUCE IS HORRID ON THE RADIO. Love the guy and he’s ok for sports talk but along side Henderson he is embarrassing. Little enthusiasm even less personality and just doesn’t flow. Sometimes I can almost hear Jim’s eyes rolling. He totally misses Jim’s jokes and has no banter. As far as Ingram and his yardage is concerned injury early in his career hurt his stats. He really turned it on the second half of the year several years back when we looked like we may make a playoff run and has been solid ever since. Additionally since 2011 Payton all but abandoned the run game because our defenses have been so damn bad it all rested on Brees shoulders. Our offensive line hadn’t been blocking for the run all that good either. As someone else said it takes two backs in most systems these days he’s always had to share carries with someone else. Deuce was our main guy. I also like the insurance of a good back for when someone goes down with injury. I love his attitude and the way he runs. I agree there probably isn’t a much better option as far as fair compensation. Anyway I agree with the rest of your post. Absolutely hated AB though. Even when we were decent and he played well I hated his attitude and whole personality. I hope we keep running the ball successfully enough for him to play out his career here. Our defense goes back to bottom of the pack and he can forget it.
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