The Draft and what I would give up for a TOP LB

Danno · 04-12-2005, 06:05 PM

Historically, we haven\'t gotten many good players in the 2nd. Hell, I\'d give up a 2nd and 3rd to get a play-making linebacker.

2000 Darren Howard (stud)
2001 No 2nd rounder
2002 LeCharles Bentley (pro-bowler)
2003 Stinchcomb (back-up)
2004 Henderson
2004 Watson (promising starter)

Out of our last 5 2nd rounds picks, 3 are contributing starters, one is a pro-bowler, one is a top notch DE, one is a promising WR, and the jury is still out on Stinchcomb, a back-up.

I\'d say we\'ve done alright with our 2nd round picks so far.

GumboBC · 04-12-2005, 06:07 PM

Danno --

I stand corrected. I forgot about Le\' Charles. So, maybe a second is more valuable than I orginally stated.

I\'m never afraid to admit when I\'m wrong. And I was wrong about the Saints when selecting in the second round.

But, I would still trade my 2nd for the right player.

BRSaintsFan · 04-12-2005, 06:07 PM

Gumbo,

I would say Kevin Burnett from Tennessee, Channing Crowder from Florida, and maybe Barrett Ruud from Nebraska and Odell Thurman from Georgia. I would say Burnett. But with the lack of depth at LB, he could slip into the end of the 1st round if New England is looking for someone to start replacing their aging LB core.

saintswhodi · 04-12-2005, 06:12 PM

Even I didn\'t realize how good the 2nd round had been to us. It is the 3rd round that we really suck at.

[Edited on 12/4/2005 by saintswhodi]

[Edited on 12/4/2005 by saintswhodi]

Danno · 04-12-2005, 06:14 PM

But, I would still trade my 2nd for the right player.

I would too, IF that player was DJ, and we picked up an additional 3rd.

But with the log jam of good (not exceptional) OLB\'s and MLB\'s available I wouldn\'t mind tading down either and getting 2 good LB\'s plus another pick to address OL, DT, CB, SS, QB etc.

This looks like a deep draft of good players. Its weak on the superstars but heavy on quality. Basically the kind of draft a team like the Pats would absolutely stock up on.

GumboBC · 04-12-2005, 06:17 PM

Okay ...

Danno and papz (and the rest of you) have convinced me that trading up is too risky and trading down would probably be the safer move.

Like I said ... I don\'t keep up with college football that much.

I asked some questions and I\'m now much more informed.

Who said you can\'t learn anything here at B&G?

Saint_LB · 04-12-2005, 07:13 PM

I wonder what round Jackson, Johnson, Mills, and Swilling were drafted in?

TheDeuce · 04-12-2005, 08:20 PM

If we trade down and \"stock up\" with maybe two decent LB\'s and then a good cornerback, then we haven\'t really improved our team at all because we just drafted decent LB\'s to go with our already decent/bad LB\'s already on the team. I realize that this draft is weak on the superstar talent, but trading down to get mediocre players will just make us a mediocre team. Trading up to get a superstar might actually improve our porous defense. I could be totally wrong, what do y\'all think?

Danno · 04-13-2005, 07:57 AM

If we trade down and \"stock up\" with maybe two decent LB\'s and then a good cornerback, then we haven\'t really improved our team at all because we just drafted decent LB\'s to go with our already decent/bad LB\'s already on the team. I realize that this draft is weak on the superstar talent, but trading down to get mediocre players will just make us a mediocre team. Trading up to get a superstar might actually improve our porous defense. I could be totally wrong, what do y\'all think?

Personally I don\'t feel we\'re talking about mediocre players in the late 1st/2nd round. I think there are plenty of good players there. More so than in years past. They\'ll certainly be upgrades over Allen / Hodge / Bockwoldt / Ruff / Rogers.

BRSaintsFan · 04-13-2005, 10:15 AM

Danno,

I agree with you on that one. I think the players that will be available in the second round are very sound and definetly an upgrade over anyone we have now(except maybe Watson). Im not sold on Bockwoldt yet, never have been on Allen and Hodge, and I love Rodgers but he doesnt have it anymore. Im all about trading down, and maybe trading up for the right price, but I dont see that happening unless another team gets incredibly desperate to trade down.

04-12-2005, 06:05 PM	#11
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	The Draft and what I would give up for a TOP LB Historically, we haven\'t gotten many good players in the 2nd. Hell, I\'d give up a 2nd and 3rd to get a play-making linebacker. 2000 Darren Howard (stud) 2001 No 2nd rounder 2002 LeCharles Bentley (pro-bowler) 2003 Stinchcomb (back-up) 2004 Henderson 2004 Watson (promising starter) Out of our last 5 2nd rounds picks, 3 are contributing starters, one is a pro-bowler, one is a top notch DE, one is a promising WR, and the jury is still out on Stinchcomb, a back-up. I\'d say we\'ve done alright with our 2nd round picks so far.

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GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	The Draft and what I would give up for a TOP LB Danno -- I stand corrected. I forgot about Le\' Charles. So, maybe a second is more valuable than I orginally stated. I\'m never afraid to admit when I\'m wrong. And I was wrong about the Saints when selecting in the second round. But, I would still trade my 2nd for the right player.
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BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	The Draft and what I would give up for a TOP LB Gumbo, I would say Kevin Burnett from Tennessee, Channing Crowder from Florida, and maybe Barrett Ruud from Nebraska and Odell Thurman from Georgia. I would say Burnett. But with the lack of depth at LB, he could slip into the end of the 1st round if New England is looking for someone to start replacing their aging LB core.

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	The Draft and what I would give up for a TOP LB Even I didn\'t realize how good the 2nd round had been to us. It is the 3rd round that we really suck at. [Edited on 12/4/2005 by saintswhodi] [Edited on 12/4/2005 by saintswhodi]

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	The Draft and what I would give up for a TOP LB But, I would still trade my 2nd for the right player. I would too, IF that player was DJ, and we picked up an additional 3rd. But with the log jam of good (not exceptional) OLB\'s and MLB\'s available I wouldn\'t mind tading down either and getting 2 good LB\'s plus another pick to address OL, DT, CB, SS, QB etc. This looks like a deep draft of good players. Its weak on the superstars but heavy on quality. Basically the kind of draft a team like the Pats would absolutely stock up on.

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04-12-2005, 06:17 PM	#16
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	The Draft and what I would give up for a TOP LB Okay ... Danno and papz (and the rest of you) have convinced me that trading up is too risky and trading down would probably be the safer move. Like I said ... I don\'t keep up with college football that much. I asked some questions and I\'m now much more informed. Who said you can\'t learn anything here at B&G?
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04-12-2005, 07:13 PM	#17
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TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	The Draft and what I would give up for a TOP LB If we trade down and \"stock up\" with maybe two decent LB\'s and then a good cornerback, then we haven\'t really improved our team at all because we just drafted decent LB\'s to go with our already decent/bad LB\'s already on the team. I realize that this draft is weak on the superstar talent, but trading down to get mediocre players will just make us a mediocre team. Trading up to get a superstar might actually improve our porous defense. I could be totally wrong, what do y\'all think?
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04-13-2005, 07:57 AM	#19
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	The Draft and what I would give up for a TOP LB If we trade down and \"stock up\" with maybe two decent LB\'s and then a good cornerback, then we haven\'t really improved our team at all because we just drafted decent LB\'s to go with our already decent/bad LB\'s already on the team. I realize that this draft is weak on the superstar talent, but trading down to get mediocre players will just make us a mediocre team. Trading up to get a superstar might actually improve our porous defense. I could be totally wrong, what do y\'all think? Personally I don\'t feel we\'re talking about mediocre players in the late 1st/2nd round. I think there are plenty of good players there. More so than in years past. They\'ll certainly be upgrades over Allen / Hodge / Bockwoldt / Ruff / Rogers.

04-13-2005, 10:15 AM	#20
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	The Draft and what I would give up for a TOP LB Danno, I agree with you on that one. I think the players that will be available in the second round are very sound and definetly an upgrade over anyone we have now(except maybe Watson). Im not sold on Bockwoldt yet, never have been on Allen and Hodge, and I love Rodgers but he doesnt have it anymore. Im all about trading down, and maybe trading up for the right price, but I dont see that happening unless another team gets incredibly desperate to trade down.