why thomas davis?

lsuforever · 04-14-2005, 03:55 AM

Davis is a good player but I think is too much of a tweener. I dont think Davis is the biggest need. If they want to get a safety then Ernest shazor from Michigan could be a good pickup in the 2nd round.

Davis is 6'1 226 with a 4.52 40
Shazor is 6-3 5/8 223 with a 4.45 40

BlackandBlue · 04-14-2005, 07:48 AM

Shazor is a tweener also...

Danno · 04-14-2005, 07:56 AM

Why do people call Davis a tweener.
I always thought tweener meant too small for this and too slow for that.

Thomas Davis is NOT too small to play LB. The combine had him at 6-1\" 231. Thats the same height, and 9 lbs HEAVIER than Ray Lewis weighed at his combine.

And at 4.54 40 he sure isn\'t too slow for SS.

From a different post of mine, and I will continue to cut and paste every time I hear TD is too small.

Playing in NFL now...
5-11, 242 Jamie Winborne
6-0, 223 Ian Gold
6-0, 235 Derrick Brooks
6-0, 234 Levar Fisher
6-0, 242 DJ Williams
6-0, 233 TJ Slaughter
6-1, 237 Jessie Armstead
6-1, 231 Will Witherspoon
6-2, 245 Keith Brookings
6-2, 245 Brady James
6-2, 244 Mark Fields
6-3, 235 Boss Bailey
6-3, 235 Julian Peterson

lsuforever · 04-14-2005, 11:59 AM

all im saying is that saints are not good enough yet on defense to be getting \"tweeners\" in the first round.

GoldenTomb · 04-14-2005, 12:06 PM

all im saying is that saints are not good enough yet on defense to be getting \"tweeners\" in the first round.

Although I generally agree with this sentiment. I\'d like to point out that Will Smith was considered by many to be a \"tweener\"

BlackandBlue · 04-14-2005, 02:22 PM

Why is \"tweener\" considered to be bad? I always viewed the term \"tweener\" to mean one that can play multiple positions, due to size, athleticism, instincts, and/or skills.
Chris Gamble, who I liked alot, but most of you didn\'t, was a tweener. Terrell Suggs, Boss Bailey, and Andre Woolfork were considered tweeners. Dan Cody, DeMarcus Ware, Thomas Davis, Shawne Merriman...all tweeners.

stockman311 · 04-14-2005, 02:28 PM

I\'m sick of all this tweener talk. A draft prospect is either a playmaker or he isn\'t. Size, speed matter but not nearly as much as anticipation, quick decision making, and NEEDING to make a play do. I would take David Pollack over most of these players in this draft. He is also considered a tweener. Trust me, this kid will be a probowler. He eats, sleeps, dreams football. That\'s the kind of player the Saints need. I think Davis who played with Pollack is that type of player.

baronm · 04-14-2005, 02:30 PM

I\'m sick of all this tweener talk. A draft prospect is either a playmaker or he isn\'t. Size, speed matter but not nearly as much as anticipation, quick decision making, and NEEDING to make a play do. I would take David Pollack over most of these players in this draft. He is also considered a tweener. Trust me, this kid will be a probowler. He eats, sleeps, dreams football. That\'s the kind of player the Saints need. I think Davis who played with Pollack is that type of player.

thank you..I hate the combine-all it really is designed to do is to differentiate between two similar players, but it ends up creating legends...but mostly creating busts. pick a footballl player over an athlete anyday-but I hear davis is a football player.

BlackandBlue · 04-14-2005, 02:36 PM

Davis is that type of player. According to the people I talk to, Davis was the leader for the Bulldogs defense, not Pollack. People that have the ability to step up and lead are a different breed, and we could use some on this team.

stockman311 · 04-14-2005, 02:39 PM

Speaking of the \"tweener\" topic, here is a great article on it by John Clayton.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ohn&id=2036976

04-14-2005, 03:55 AM	#1
lsuforever Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 36	why thomas davis? Davis is a good player but I think is too much of a tweener. I dont think Davis is the biggest need. If they want to get a safety then Ernest shazor from Michigan could be a good pickup in the 2nd round. Davis is 6'1 226 with a 4.52 40 Shazor is 6-3 5/8 223 with a 4.45 40
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04-14-2005, 07:48 AM	#2
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	why thomas davis? Shazor is a tweener also...

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	why thomas davis? Why do people call Davis a tweener. I always thought tweener meant too small for this and too slow for that. Thomas Davis is NOT too small to play LB. The combine had him at 6-1\" 231. Thats the same height, and 9 lbs HEAVIER than Ray Lewis weighed at his combine. And at 4.54 40 he sure isn\'t too slow for SS. From a different post of mine, and I will continue to cut and paste every time I hear TD is too small. Playing in NFL now... 5-11, 242 Jamie Winborne 6-0, 223 Ian Gold 6-0, 235 Derrick Brooks 6-0, 234 Levar Fisher 6-0, 242 DJ Williams 6-0, 233 TJ Slaughter 6-1, 237 Jessie Armstead 6-1, 231 Will Witherspoon 6-2, 245 Keith Brookings 6-2, 245 Brady James 6-2, 244 Mark Fields 6-3, 235 Boss Bailey 6-3, 235 Julian Peterson

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lsuforever Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 36	why thomas davis? all im saying is that saints are not good enough yet on defense to be getting \"tweeners\" in the first round.
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BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	why thomas davis? Why is \"tweener\" considered to be bad? I always viewed the term \"tweener\" to mean one that can play multiple positions, due to size, athleticism, instincts, and/or skills. Chris Gamble, who I liked alot, but most of you didn\'t, was a tweener. Terrell Suggs, Boss Bailey, and Andre Woolfork were considered tweeners. Dan Cody, DeMarcus Ware, Thomas Davis, Shawne Merriman...all tweeners.

04-14-2005, 02:28 PM	#7
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	why thomas davis? I\'m sick of all this tweener talk. A draft prospect is either a playmaker or he isn\'t. Size, speed matter but not nearly as much as anticipation, quick decision making, and NEEDING to make a play do. I would take David Pollack over most of these players in this draft. He is also considered a tweener. Trust me, this kid will be a probowler. He eats, sleeps, dreams football. That\'s the kind of player the Saints need. I think Davis who played with Pollack is that type of player.

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baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	why thomas davis? I\'m sick of all this tweener talk. A draft prospect is either a playmaker or he isn\'t. Size, speed matter but not nearly as much as anticipation, quick decision making, and NEEDING to make a play do. I would take David Pollack over most of these players in this draft. He is also considered a tweener. Trust me, this kid will be a probowler. He eats, sleeps, dreams football. That\'s the kind of player the Saints need. I think Davis who played with Pollack is that type of player. thank you..I hate the combine-all it really is designed to do is to differentiate between two similar players, but it ends up creating legends...but mostly creating busts. pick a footballl player over an athlete anyday-but I hear davis is a football player.
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04-14-2005, 02:36 PM	#9
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	why thomas davis? Davis is that type of player. According to the people I talk to, Davis was the leader for the Bulldogs defense, not Pollack. People that have the ability to step up and lead are a different breed, and we could use some on this team.

04-14-2005, 02:39 PM	#10
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	why thomas davis? Speaking of the \"tweener\" topic, here is a great article on it by John Clayton. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ohn&id=2036976