I don't care about what we do next year

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-19-2017, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Well can you blame me given our recent history in games like this?

Actually I can. Because you are making a mistake if you are basing an outcome on anything other than what has happened in the last couple of months.

What if I didn't start this thread? I probably would have come on after the game when we actually lost. But enough with that superstitious stuff. This was the ONE game on our schedule I badly wanted us to win.

And your wish was granted. BTW, it wasn't your post that turned it around.

And to the other I knew we were not going undefeated the rest of the way. I had us losing to LA and Carolina losing week 14 or 15. Meaning if we win the games we should, we can still win the division if Carolina won week 13. If we lost to Washington, it would have been game over for division if we lost three in a row. We can still win next week, but I don't think we would have if we lost at home to a team whose chances of the playoffs are not better than theirs.

The point is that no game should be conceeded until it is actually over. I know many think Guido was nuts calling for a 14-2 season in September. But look where we are now, more than halfway there. While the odds of actually finishing 14-2 is not the most likely outcome, being driven to try to do so should be the goal.

BTW if you are going to use the past, remember that for the last 3 years the Saints have been in shootouts with virtually no defense. Remember that I stated in the offseason that the team would be competitive with an average defense. Over the last two months the defense has been outstanding. And the offense hasn't changed much from the ones who have been in shootout after shootout. Brees throws for 30 attempts and 200 yards not because he is limited. He does it because when the running game racks up nearly 200 yards and the defense gives the offense the ball back via takeaways, there's no need to do more.

But as you can see in the 4 minute drill, with 12/13 182 yards, 2 TDs, and both a game tying and game winning drive, Brees still can step up to the shootout arena when required. Coupled with a defense that finally can make the necessary plays and a running game that can punish and control a defense, you have a team that simply isn't out of the game, even when it seems to be.

It's shades of 2009. Down 24 points to Miami in the 2nd quarter to come back to win. The crazy game in Washington. Simply finding a way to win.

Right now the sun is shining so bright you should be uncomfortable. So predicting losses mid-game or losses for games yet to be played is frankly unacceptable.

So it's on to LA. Here's to hoping I won't see another post like this anytime soon.

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-19-2017, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What a frickin' loser. Go crawl back into your hole.

Guido,

He's the EEyore of the group. You just continue to be Tigger!

SFIAH

darksoul35 · 11-19-2017, 07:53 PM

I'm loving this especially how people where calling for a different coach and Q.B. I would be depressed if we lost either even after the last few years. Defense was shaky today because of the injuries but we are finding ways to win. I'm still cautiously optimistic but It hasn't felt this special to me since 2013. WHO DAT!!!!

WillSaints81 · 11-19-2017, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Guido,

He's the EEyore of the group. You just continue to be Tigger!

SFIAH

When I posted that, we were down ten points and the defense was falling apart without Lattimore and I had no faith in Brees putting together that comeback because in this kind of situation with Washington's pass rush he hasn't done it in a while. Like I said, I did not want to lose this game because it was the game that was gonna dictate our season.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-19-2017, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

When I posted that, we were down ten points and the defense was falling apart without Lattimore and I had no faith in Brees putting together that comeback because in this kind of situation with Washington's pass rush he hasn't done it in a while. Like I said, I did not want to lose this game because it was the game that was gonna dictate our season.

And this is why you are EEyore, a natural pessimist. Sunshiners hope for the best until the end, and then look for the positives when the team falls short.

When Guido states 17-2, it isn't a guarantee. It's a hope. A positive one. As Brees said in his presser today, the Saints have the confidence to believe they can win any game.

But understand that comebacks like that don't happen unless there is belief, and hope, and confidence. If the Saints had packed it in after falling down 15 in the 4th quarter, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

So since you've already prediced losses to the Rams and the KittyKats, does that mean that we won't hear from you again until mid December?

SFIAH

CheramieIII · 11-19-2017, 08:20 PM

I care about right now and why aren't we celebrating instead of worrying about losing. We haven't relied a lot of Lattimore. We just didn't have a defense planned without Lattimore. We will have next week or he will play. We adapted, overcame and improvised and we won. THAT IS THE TEST OF GREAT MEN. SEMPER FI AND OORAH!

st thomas · 11-19-2017, 08:42 PM

we have to stay healthy if we have any chance of going deep into the playoffs, our defense will carry/help this team to the super bowl we know what just offense does 7-9 i just try to keep my feet on the ground, i was as pissed as anyone today giving up 2 walk off tds imo. we have to learn from this game for the young D to realize its next man up.

frydaddy · 11-19-2017, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

we have to stay healthy if we have any chance of going deep into the playoffs, our defense will carry/help this team to the super bowl we know what just offense does 7-9 i just try to keep my feet on the ground, i was as pissed as anyone today giving up 2 walk off tds imo. we have to learn from this game for the young D to realize its next man up.

While it's no secret that Lattimore is a huge part of our defense, I think today should've proved to any of Klein and/or Vaccaro's haters that those guys are ballers and important to this defense.

Seer1 · 11-19-2017, 09:52 PM

Damn WillSanidiot81, are you sure there isn't another forum somewhere you'd rather post on more than this one?

Rhetorical question actually as I still have you on ignore.

Euphoria · 11-19-2017, 11:45 PM

anyone who cares about history needs to go back and watch the Saints Vs. Redskins that season...

Because this is 2009 all over again.

11-19-2017, 07:45 PM	#11
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: I don't care about what we do next year Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Well can you blame me given our recent history in games like this? Actually I can. Because you are making a mistake if you are basing an outcome on anything other than what has happened in the last couple of months. What if I didn't start this thread? I probably would have come on after the game when we actually lost. But enough with that superstitious stuff. This was the ONE game on our schedule I badly wanted us to win. And your wish was granted. BTW, it wasn't your post that turned it around. And to the other I knew we were not going undefeated the rest of the way. I had us losing to LA and Carolina losing week 14 or 15. Meaning if we win the games we should, we can still win the division if Carolina won week 13. If we lost to Washington, it would have been game over for division if we lost three in a row. We can still win next week, but I don't think we would have if we lost at home to a team whose chances of the playoffs are not better than theirs. The point is that no game should be conceeded until it is actually over. I know many think Guido was nuts calling for a 14-2 season in September. But look where we are now, more than halfway there. While the odds of actually finishing 14-2 is not the most likely outcome, being driven to try to do so should be the goal. BTW if you are going to use the past, remember that for the last 3 years the Saints have been in shootouts with virtually no defense. Remember that I stated in the offseason that the team would be competitive with an average defense. Over the last two months the defense has been outstanding. And the offense hasn't changed much from the ones who have been in shootout after shootout. Brees throws for 30 attempts and 200 yards not because he is limited. He does it because when the running game racks up nearly 200 yards and the defense gives the offense the ball back via takeaways, there's no need to do more. But as you can see in the 4 minute drill, with 12/13 182 yards, 2 TDs, and both a game tying and game winning drive, Brees still can step up to the shootout arena when required. Coupled with a defense that finally can make the necessary plays and a running game that can punish and control a defense, you have a team that simply isn't out of the game, even when it seems to be. It's shades of 2009. Down 24 points to Miami in the 2nd quarter to come back to win. The crazy game in Washington. Simply finding a way to win. Right now the sun is shining so bright you should be uncomfortable. So predicting losses mid-game or losses for games yet to be played is frankly unacceptable. So it's on to LA. Here's to hoping I won't see another post like this anytime soon. SFIAH AsylumGuido, frydaddy and CharityMike like this.
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11-19-2017, 07:49 PM	#12
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: I don't care about what we do next year Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What a frickin' loser. Go crawl back into your hole. Guido, He's the EEyore of the group. You just continue to be Tigger! SFIAH hagan714, AsylumGuido and Seer1 like this.

11-19-2017, 07:53 PM	#13
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,041	Re: I don't care about what we do next year I'm loving this especially how people where calling for a different coach and Q.B. I would be depressed if we lost either even after the last few years. Defense was shaky today because of the injuries but we are finding ways to win. I'm still cautiously optimistic but It hasn't felt this special to me since 2013. WHO DAT!!!!
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11-19-2017, 07:58 PM	#14
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: I don't care about what we do next year Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Guido, He's the EEyore of the group. You just continue to be Tigger! SFIAH When I posted that, we were down ten points and the defense was falling apart without Lattimore and I had no faith in Brees putting together that comeback because in this kind of situation with Washington's pass rush he hasn't done it in a while. Like I said, I did not want to lose this game because it was the game that was gonna dictate our season.

11-19-2017, 08:20 PM	#15
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: I don't care about what we do next year Originally Posted by WillSaints81 When I posted that, we were down ten points and the defense was falling apart without Lattimore and I had no faith in Brees putting together that comeback because in this kind of situation with Washington's pass rush he hasn't done it in a while. Like I said, I did not want to lose this game because it was the game that was gonna dictate our season. And this is why you are EEyore, a natural pessimist. Sunshiners hope for the best until the end, and then look for the positives when the team falls short. When Guido states 17-2, it isn't a guarantee. It's a hope. A positive one. As Brees said in his presser today, the Saints have the confidence to believe they can win any game. But understand that comebacks like that don't happen unless there is belief, and hope, and confidence. If the Saints had packed it in after falling down 15 in the 4th quarter, we wouldn't be having this discussion. So since you've already prediced losses to the Rams and the KittyKats, does that mean that we won't hear from you again until mid December? SFIAH jnormand likes this.
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11-19-2017, 08:20 PM	#16
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I don't care about what we do next year I care about right now and why aren't we celebrating instead of worrying about losing. We haven't relied a lot of Lattimore. We just didn't have a defense planned without Lattimore. We will have next week or he will play. We adapted, overcame and improvised and we won. THAT IS THE TEST OF GREAT MEN. SEMPER FI AND OORAH!

11-19-2017, 08:42 PM	#17
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: I don't care about what we do next year we have to stay healthy if we have any chance of going deep into the playoffs, our defense will carry/help this team to the super bowl we know what just offense does 7-9 i just try to keep my feet on the ground, i was as pissed as anyone today giving up 2 walk off tds imo. we have to learn from this game for the young D to realize its next man up.

11-19-2017, 08:47 PM	#18
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: I don't care about what we do next year Originally Posted by st thomas we have to stay healthy if we have any chance of going deep into the playoffs, our defense will carry/help this team to the super bowl we know what just offense does 7-9 i just try to keep my feet on the ground, i was as pissed as anyone today giving up 2 walk off tds imo. we have to learn from this game for the young D to realize its next man up. While it's no secret that Lattimore is a huge part of our defense, I think today should've proved to any of Klein and/or Vaccaro's haters that those guys are ballers and important to this defense.

11-19-2017, 09:52 PM	#19
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: I don't care about what we do next year Damn WillSanidiot81, are you sure there isn't another forum somewhere you'd rather post on more than this one? Rhetorical question actually as I still have you on ignore. jnormand and SASaintsfan like this.

11-19-2017, 11:45 PM	#20
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: I don't care about what we do next year anyone who cares about history needs to go back and watch the Saints Vs. Redskins that season... Because this is 2009 all over again.