question for members

ssmitty · 04-17-2005, 02:51 PM

would you say the average draft player signed is to a 4 yr deal?

LKelley67 · 04-17-2005, 02:57 PM

no statistics but i would say yes for 1st rounders. as you get down to later rounds i would expect the bonuses, guarantees, and lengths to be less proportionately.

BRSaintsFan · 04-17-2005, 02:57 PM

i tihnk if you are looking at the average for all the picks i would say around 3-4 year is about right

ssmitty · 04-17-2005, 03:12 PM

so, in that 3-4 yr range, if you don\'t have someone come in immediately and contribute would you say we\'re investing?

LKelley67 · 04-17-2005, 03:16 PM

it depends on how much of it is guaranteed. the more you are commited to, the more the investment. thus when they go sour, the pain is all the worse, ala sullivan.

BRSaintsFan · 04-17-2005, 03:17 PM

since its an average, it counts in late rounders as well....in the first few round i would say you are looking at an average that is a bit higher, so in the first few rounds you are looking for players who could immediately contribute and be a player for several years or you are investing time into players as far as development goes...however, in the later rounds, you are sometimes drafting guys that will show you something in the terms of their original contract and then try to sign them to something longer(i.e. Talman Gardner)

saintswhodi · 04-17-2005, 03:24 PM

Kelley, didn\'t you post some salaries for Fitz, Gallery and Rivers last year that said they had 6 year deals?

saintswhodi · 04-17-2005, 03:28 PM

i looked up a couple from last year-
#3 larry fitzgerald 6 yrs/60mil, 20mil guaranteed, signing bonus unknown

#4 philip rivers 6 yrs/50mil, 14.25 mil signing bonus

#6 kellen winslow 6 yrs/29mil base to 40mil w/incentives, 16.5 mil signing bonus

I found it Kelley .Seems like deals are getting longer for first round picks. I like that.

LKelley67 · 04-17-2005, 03:32 PM

why yes i did. LOL your memory must be in better working order than mine.

ivestigate at nflpa.com and you might get some detailed data.

also a great site to see and understand salaries, cap, etc is-
http://www.patscap.com/
it is only the pats but it is an incredible job. i\'d pay to see a saints page like that.

ssmitty · 04-17-2005, 05:21 PM

ok, so you\'re posting guaranteed deals, unless there are clauses in the contract, correct?

04-17-2005, 02:51 PM	#1
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04-17-2005, 02:57 PM	#2
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	question for members no statistics but i would say yes for 1st rounders. as you get down to later rounds i would expect the bonuses, guarantees, and lengths to be less proportionately.

04-17-2005, 03:12 PM	#4
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	question for members so, in that 3-4 yr range, if you don\'t have someone come in immediately and contribute would you say we\'re investing?
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04-17-2005, 03:16 PM	#5
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	question for members it depends on how much of it is guaranteed. the more you are commited to, the more the investment. thus when they go sour, the pain is all the worse, ala sullivan.

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	question for members Kelley, didn\'t you post some salaries for Fitz, Gallery and Rivers last year that said they had 6 year deals?

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BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	question for members since its an average, it counts in late rounders as well....in the first few round i would say you are looking at an average that is a bit higher, so in the first few rounds you are looking for players who could immediately contribute and be a player for several years or you are investing time into players as far as development goes...however, in the later rounds, you are sometimes drafting guys that will show you something in the terms of their original contract and then try to sign them to something longer(i.e. Talman Gardner)

04-17-2005, 03:28 PM	#8
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	question for members i looked up a couple from last year- #3 larry fitzgerald 6 yrs/60mil, 20mil guaranteed, signing bonus unknown #4 philip rivers 6 yrs/50mil, 14.25 mil signing bonus #6 kellen winslow 6 yrs/29mil base to 40mil w/incentives, 16.5 mil signing bonus I found it Kelley .Seems like deals are getting longer for first round picks. I like that.

04-17-2005, 03:32 PM	#9
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	question for members why yes i did. LOL your memory must be in better working order than mine. ivestigate at nflpa.com and you might get some detailed data. also a great site to see and understand salaries, cap, etc is- http://www.patscap.com/ it is only the pats but it is an incredible job. i\'d pay to see a saints page like that.

04-17-2005, 05:21 PM	#10
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	question for members ok, so you\'re posting guaranteed deals, unless there are clauses in the contract, correct?
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