What we learned from our loss on Thursday night

Thirty3 · 12-08-2017, 07:27 PM

Target on Kamara was on PURPOSE. Last drive finger in eye of MT on PURPOSE. DIRTY FREAKIN' DIRTY BIRDS. Next game put a fork in Jones. that bird is done.

nola_swammi · 12-08-2017, 07:34 PM

Plain and simple the dirty birds needed refs, doctors and luck to win this game. They know their no chance in hell they are going to wi the next one

LivnaLieTimay · 12-08-2017, 07:57 PM

What I learned...

This was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen.

Our Defense has heart. With the amount of time they were on the field and the injuries piling up they could of folded but they didn't and kept us in the game.

SP had no backup plan on offense once Kamara went down.

TE should be our #1 priority this offseason. Also finding a quick slot receiver to help pick up first downs is a big need because right now it seems our WR's are rarely getting separation.

Last, this is a darn good team. If we can get healthy, we can play with anyone.

RockyMountainSaint · 12-09-2017, 02:44 AM

Pete Carmichael should be calling the offensive plays.

Will not happen though.

The ship that had SP showing humility sailed long ago.

NonieT · 12-09-2017, 05:33 AM

Sorry, but I just can't blame Payton for this one. Yeah he passed the ball at the end but he was doing what was best for his team. He had a beat up team, he had RBs who were not 100 percent and he did what he thought gave the Saints the best chance to win. The team wouldn't have held up in OT. He didn't tell Brees to make such a boneheaded play. Josh Hill is not Jimmy Graham and he should not have thrown into triple coverage. Ingram was wide open and is where he should have thrown the ball. Brees himself said he didn't need to make such a poor decision. The refs penchant for dropping flags didn't help either and I'm not too sure even if the Saints had scored a flag would not have been thrown to negate the play. That is how bad the officiating was. They did a pitiful job callling that game.

dizzle88 · 12-09-2017, 11:37 AM

Our D, absolutely plagued by injuries stepped up nicely against one of the better offenses we'll face all year. Especially with Lattimore coming off the field every other play.

The refs played a key role, but they didn't stop Payton from running the ball.

We had 3 straight 3 and outs in the second half, in 9 plays, Payton called 1 run to Ingram, 1 fly sweep to Ginn and 7 passes from Brees.

Brees' decision making is scary sometimes, he doesn't think the process through and panics in crunch time. He did the same vs Washington, threw a pick but luckily the refs brought it back for a hold.

In crunch time, if you are going to throw a dangerous pass, you don't throw it to Josh Hill, you throw it to Michael Thomas.
The decision was bad, the pass was worse, throw it outside and let the receiver turn, the pass gets caught or misses everyone and falls incomplete. Instead he threw it straight to Jones.

Offense has been stagnant a lot this season, failing on 3rd downs etc

saintfan · 12-09-2017, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Brees' decision making is scary sometimes, he doesn't think the process through and panics in crunch time. He did the same vs Washington, threw a pick but luckily the refs brought it back for a hold.

In crunch time, if you are going to throw a dangerous pass, you don't throw it to Josh Hill, you throw it to Michael Thomas.
The decision was bad, the pass was worse, throw it outside and let the receiver turn, the pass gets caught or misses everyone and falls incomplete. Instead he threw it straight to Jones.

Offense has been stagnant a lot this season, failing on 3rd downs etc

I'm not accepting the criticism of Drew. There are individual plays where he makes bizarre decisions sometimes, but they are in-game otherwise educated decisions based on real time info our brains don't have. The man is human.

He is also one of the smartest QBs to ever play. I have no problem granting him a bonehead play ever now and again, even when that one play costs us a game.

He also doesn't have the quality of targets he once had, but he plays as if he does. This tells me his is expecting Hill to make that play.

Anyway, it was a dumb throw. It was a dumb call. We were playing a dumb team and the refs were dumb too. We were hurt and on the shortest turnaround scheduled, and that was dumb. Here's to a three game win streak to end the season!

dizzle88 · 12-09-2017, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I'm not accepting the criticism of Drew. There are individual plays where he makes bizarre decisions sometimes, but they are in-game otherwise educated decisions based on real time info our brains don't have. The man is human.

He is also one of the smartest QBs to ever play. I have no problem granting him a bonehead play ever now and again, even when that one play costs us a game.

He also doesn't have the quality of targets he once had, but he plays as if he does. This tells me his is expecting Hill to make that play.

Anyway, it was a dumb throw. It was a dumb call. We were playing a dumb team and the refs were dumb too. We were hurt and on the shortest turnaround scheduled, and that was dumb. Here's to a three game win streak to end the season!

I understand where you are coming from and don't get me wrong, I love what Brees has done for this team. But for roughly 25-29M a year, he needs to make better decisions.

Countless weeks the offense has been around 3-10 on third downs and Brees has missed multiple receivers, under throwing Ginn, over throwing Thomas.

Also, someone, somewhere, please abolish that stupid screen pass we always run on 3rd and 11 to the WR, it gains 4 yards at best every time.

Throw it past the sticks!!

NOLA54 · 12-09-2017, 04:37 PM

There is a bright spot with regards to the injuries we sustained. Playing on Thursday gives us 17 days in which to recover, heal and plan for the next game against the Jets.

AsylumGuido · 12-09-2017, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

There is a bright spot with regards to the injuries we sustained. Playing on Thursday gives us 17 days in which to recover, heal and plan for the next game against the Jets.

Make that 10 days.

12-08-2017, 07:27 PM	#1
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Target on Kamara was on PURPOSE. Last drive finger in eye of MT on PURPOSE. DIRTY FREAKIN' DIRTY BIRDS. Next game put a fork in Jones. that bird is done.
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12-08-2017, 07:34 PM	#2
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Plain and simple the dirty birds needed refs, doctors and luck to win this game. They know their no chance in hell they are going to wi the next one RailBoss likes this.

12-08-2017, 07:57 PM	#3
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,499	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night What I learned... This was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. Our Defense has heart. With the amount of time they were on the field and the injuries piling up they could of folded but they didn't and kept us in the game. SP had no backup plan on offense once Kamara went down. TE should be our #1 priority this offseason. Also finding a quick slot receiver to help pick up first downs is a big need because right now it seems our WR's are rarely getting separation. Last, this is a darn good team. If we can get healthy, we can play with anyone. RailBoss likes this.

12-09-2017, 02:44 AM	#4
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Pete Carmichael should be calling the offensive plays. Will not happen though. The ship that had SP showing humility sailed long ago.

12-09-2017, 05:33 AM	#5
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Sorry, but I just can't blame Payton for this one. Yeah he passed the ball at the end but he was doing what was best for his team. He had a beat up team, he had RBs who were not 100 percent and he did what he thought gave the Saints the best chance to win. The team wouldn't have held up in OT. He didn't tell Brees to make such a boneheaded play. Josh Hill is not Jimmy Graham and he should not have thrown into triple coverage. Ingram was wide open and is where he should have thrown the ball. Brees himself said he didn't need to make such a poor decision. The refs penchant for dropping flags didn't help either and I'm not too sure even if the Saints had scored a flag would not have been thrown to negate the play. That is how bad the officiating was. They did a pitiful job callling that game.
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921

12-09-2017, 11:37 AM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Our D, absolutely plagued by injuries stepped up nicely against one of the better offenses we'll face all year. Especially with Lattimore coming off the field every other play. The refs played a key role, but they didn't stop Payton from running the ball. We had 3 straight 3 and outs in the second half, in 9 plays, Payton called 1 run to Ingram, 1 fly sweep to Ginn and 7 passes from Brees. Brees' decision making is scary sometimes, he doesn't think the process through and panics in crunch time. He did the same vs Washington, threw a pick but luckily the refs brought it back for a hold. In crunch time, if you are going to throw a dangerous pass, you don't throw it to Josh Hill, you throw it to Michael Thomas. The decision was bad, the pass was worse, throw it outside and let the receiver turn, the pass gets caught or misses everyone and falls incomplete. Instead he threw it straight to Jones. Offense has been stagnant a lot this season, failing on 3rd downs etc SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.
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12-09-2017, 01:52 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Originally Posted by dizzle88 Brees' decision making is scary sometimes, he doesn't think the process through and panics in crunch time. He did the same vs Washington, threw a pick but luckily the refs brought it back for a hold. In crunch time, if you are going to throw a dangerous pass, you don't throw it to Josh Hill, you throw it to Michael Thomas. The decision was bad, the pass was worse, throw it outside and let the receiver turn, the pass gets caught or misses everyone and falls incomplete. Instead he threw it straight to Jones. Offense has been stagnant a lot this season, failing on 3rd downs etc I'm not accepting the criticism of Drew. There are individual plays where he makes bizarre decisions sometimes, but they are in-game otherwise educated decisions based on real time info our brains don't have. The man is human. He is also one of the smartest QBs to ever play. I have no problem granting him a bonehead play ever now and again, even when that one play costs us a game. He also doesn't have the quality of targets he once had, but he plays as if he does. This tells me his is expecting Hill to make that play. Anyway, it was a dumb throw. It was a dumb call. We were playing a dumb team and the refs were dumb too. We were hurt and on the shortest turnaround scheduled, and that was dumb. Here's to a three game win streak to end the season!
	C'mon Man...

12-09-2017, 03:08 PM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Originally Posted by saintfan I'm not accepting the criticism of Drew. There are individual plays where he makes bizarre decisions sometimes, but they are in-game otherwise educated decisions based on real time info our brains don't have. The man is human. He is also one of the smartest QBs to ever play. I have no problem granting him a bonehead play ever now and again, even when that one play costs us a game. He also doesn't have the quality of targets he once had, but he plays as if he does. This tells me his is expecting Hill to make that play. Anyway, it was a dumb throw. It was a dumb call. We were playing a dumb team and the refs were dumb too. We were hurt and on the shortest turnaround scheduled, and that was dumb. Here's to a three game win streak to end the season! I understand where you are coming from and don't get me wrong, I love what Brees has done for this team. But for roughly 25-29M a year, he needs to make better decisions. Countless weeks the offense has been around 3-10 on third downs and Brees has missed multiple receivers, under throwing Ginn, over throwing Thomas. Also, someone, somewhere, please abolish that stupid screen pass we always run on 3rd and 11 to the WR, it gains 4 yards at best every time. Throw it past the sticks!! AlanGoff likes this.

12-09-2017, 04:37 PM	#9
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night There is a bright spot with regards to the injuries we sustained. Playing on Thursday gives us 17 days in which to recover, heal and plan for the next game against the Jets.

12-09-2017, 06:22 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night Originally Posted by NOLA54 There is a bright spot with regards to the injuries we sustained. Playing on Thursday gives us 17 days in which to recover, heal and plan for the next game against the Jets. Make that 10 days. leilung and AlanGoff like this.

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