1st and goal 1:43 left

billyt81 · 12-08-2017, 10:25 AM

[QUOTE=Halo;781289]I hated the call from Payton - that pass was designed for Jimmy Graham to the tight end. Hill is NO Jimmy Graham. He's supposed to go up and wrestle for the pass. Either it's a PI or a catch.[/QUOTE

Gotta get inside of the defender and yes. If Hill cant catch it he should take Jones head off. Take the penalty. Kick the field goal. Deion Jones was everywhere. I dont think he started until his senior year and he was never a standout at LSU. Jesuit LB, LSU LB. He should be a Saint. Could we use a great cover 4.3 40 LB? He put Kmara out the game and caught the winning interception. Give him the game ball and well see him in two weeks in the dome.

WhoDat!656 · 12-09-2017, 06:06 PM

How is this not illegal contact on the failclowns?

The refs had to have made a group decision to not flag the failclowns for a single defensive penalty!

K Major · 12-09-2017, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

How is this not illegal contact on the failclowns?

The refs had to have made a group decision to not flag the failclowns for a single defensive penalty!

Naw, good no call. Incidental contact by BOTH playing the football. There wasn't any obvious grabbing, jersey pulls etc. By the definition of the NFL rule book, there was nothing there to flag.

If anything, Josh needed to make a better attempt to go get the football or take it away from Jones. You're 6'5 man.

K Major · 12-09-2017, 06:26 PM

Here is a GIF of that play ...

dizzle88 · 12-09-2017, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Naw, good no call. Incidental contact by BOTH playing the football. There wasn't any obvious grabbing, jersey pulls etc. By the definition of the NFL rule book, there was nothing there to flag.

If anything, Josh needed to make a better attempt to go get the football or take it away from Jones. You're 6'5 man.

Josh Hill is terrible, but the placement of the ball by Brees was pathetic.

If you throw that pass, you make it a back shoulder, either Hill catches it or no one does. Brees made it look like Jones was the intended receiver.

Ingram was wide open too.

Just rewatched the game, besides the opening 7 points of the second half after Banjo's pick, Brees and the offense should be ashamed of themselves. They did nothing for 29 mins, came alive in the final minute and fell short. Brees couldn't string a pass together the entire second half.

I hope we win out, because we could be forced out of the playoff race if we keep splitting wins/losses.

saintfan · 12-09-2017, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Josh Hill is terrible, but the placement of the ball by Brees was pathetic.

Knowing Brees, Josh Hill's placement was the problem. That ball looked to be in the right spot. Hill let the falcon player push him ever so gently and out of position. Watch the replay.

dizzle88 · 12-09-2017, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Knowing Brees, Josh Hill's placement was the problem. That ball looked to be in the right spot. Hill let the falcon player push him ever so gently and out of position. Watch the replay.

I say this with all the respect in the world dude, but people have to stop acting like Brees can do no wrong. Brees and Payton got greedy, they went flashy instead of smart and got burned.

As for the replay, I haven't stopped watching it, Brees has to realise that Josh Hill in no way is on the same level as Deion Jones.

Brees tested Jones last year and ended up throwing a 95 yard Pick 6 to him.

saintfan · 12-09-2017, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I say this with all the respect in the world dude, but people have to stop acting like Brees can do no wrong. Brees and Payton got greedy, they went flashy instead of smart and got burned.

As for the replay, I haven't stopped watching it, Brees has to realise that Josh Hill in no way is on the same level as Deion Jones.

Brees tested Jones last year and ended up throwing a 95 yard Pick 6 to him.

Respect to you too man. I'm not arguing that it was a bad play call and that it was a bad decision by Drew. I think Sean figured his D had no shot if they had to get back on the field. We went for broke. Sean plays that way. He won a super bowl doing it. Sometimes he gets a little loopy.

My point was that it wasn't such a horrible throw as it was a horrible decision. Hill isn't Graham. And it does look like had Hill not allowed himself to get pushed back he would have been in position to make the play.

The Dude · 12-09-2017, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Audiotom

Run the ball three times
Run out clock

Get td running
Or take the field goal

Payton is too "put the dagger in" greedy instead of smart

So you would trust our winded defense to win it in OT while the rest of the team has been headed to the locker room with injuries all game?

Right call to go for the kill. Stupid call throwing it where it was thrown. It happens.
They will get destroyed in the Dome.

The Dude · 12-09-2017, 09:44 PM

Looking at the replay isn’t there a little bit of interference there? 1000 bucks says we would have been flagged for it.
Looking again maybe more of a hold.

12-08-2017, 10:25 AM	#21
billyt81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Metairie Posts: 1,129	Re: 1st and goal 1:43 left [QUOTE=Halo;781289]I hated the call from Payton - that pass was designed for Jimmy Graham to the tight end. Hill is NO Jimmy Graham. He's supposed to go up and wrestle for the pass. Either it's a PI or a catch.[/QUOTE Gotta get inside of the defender and yes. If Hill cant catch it he should take Jones head off. Take the penalty. Kick the field goal. Deion Jones was everywhere. I dont think he started until his senior year and he was never a standout at LSU. Jesuit LB, LSU LB. He should be a Saint. Could we use a great cover 4.3 40 LB? He put Kmara out the game and caught the winning interception. Give him the game ball and well see him in two weeks in the dome.

12-09-2017, 06:06 PM	#22
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,062	Re: 1st and goal 1:43 left How is this not illegal contact on the failclowns? The refs had to have made a group decision to not flag the failclowns for a single defensive penalty!

12-09-2017, 06:25 PM	#23
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 1st and goal 1:43 left Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 How is this not illegal contact on the failclowns? The refs had to have made a group decision to not flag the failclowns for a single defensive penalty! Naw, good no call. Incidental contact by BOTH playing the football. There wasn't any obvious grabbing, jersey pulls etc. By the definition of the NFL rule book, there was nothing there to flag. If anything, Josh needed to make a better attempt to go get the football or take it away from Jones. You're 6'5 man.

12-09-2017, 06:26 PM	#24
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 1st and goal 1:43 left Here is a GIF of that play ...

12-09-2017, 06:50 PM	#25
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,359	Re: 1st and goal 1:43 left Originally Posted by K Major Naw, good no call. Incidental contact by BOTH playing the football. There wasn't any obvious grabbing, jersey pulls etc. By the definition of the NFL rule book, there was nothing there to flag. If anything, Josh needed to make a better attempt to go get the football or take it away from Jones. You're 6'5 man. Josh Hill is terrible, but the placement of the ball by Brees was pathetic. If you throw that pass, you make it a back shoulder, either Hill catches it or no one does. Brees made it look like Jones was the intended receiver. Ingram was wide open too. Just rewatched the game, besides the opening 7 points of the second half after Banjo's pick, Brees and the offense should be ashamed of themselves. They did nothing for 29 mins, came alive in the final minute and fell short. Brees couldn't string a pass together the entire second half. I hope we win out, because we could be forced out of the playoff race if we keep splitting wins/losses.
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12-09-2017, 08:05 PM	#26
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 1st and goal 1:43 left Originally Posted by dizzle88 Josh Hill is terrible, but the placement of the ball by Brees was pathetic. Knowing Brees, Josh Hill's placement was the problem. That ball looked to be in the right spot. Hill let the falcon player push him ever so gently and out of position. Watch the replay.

12-09-2017, 08:12 PM	#27
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,359	Re: 1st and goal 1:43 left Originally Posted by saintfan Knowing Brees, Josh Hill's placement was the problem. That ball looked to be in the right spot. Hill let the falcon player push him ever so gently and out of position. Watch the replay. I say this with all the respect in the world dude, but people have to stop acting like Brees can do no wrong. Brees and Payton got greedy, they went flashy instead of smart and got burned. As for the replay, I haven't stopped watching it, Brees has to realise that Josh Hill in no way is on the same level as Deion Jones. Brees tested Jones last year and ended up throwing a 95 yard Pick 6 to him. saintfan likes this.

12-09-2017, 09:38 PM	#28
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 1st and goal 1:43 left Originally Posted by dizzle88 I say this with all the respect in the world dude, but people have to stop acting like Brees can do no wrong. Brees and Payton got greedy, they went flashy instead of smart and got burned. As for the replay, I haven't stopped watching it, Brees has to realise that Josh Hill in no way is on the same level as Deion Jones. Brees tested Jones last year and ended up throwing a 95 yard Pick 6 to him. Respect to you too man. I'm not arguing that it was a bad play call and that it was a bad decision by Drew. I think Sean figured his D had no shot if they had to get back on the field. We went for broke. Sean plays that way. He won a super bowl doing it. Sometimes he gets a little loopy. My point was that it wasn't such a horrible throw as it was a horrible decision. Hill isn't Graham. And it does look like had Hill not allowed himself to get pushed back he would have been in position to make the play. jnormand and dizzle88 like this.
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12-09-2017, 09:41 PM	#29
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: 1st and goal 1:43 left Originally Posted by Audiotom Run the ball three times Run out clock Get td running Or take the field goal Payton is too "put the dagger in" greedy instead of smart So you would trust our winded defense to win it in OT while the rest of the team has been headed to the locker room with injuries all game? Right call to go for the kill. Stupid call throwing it where it was thrown. It happens. They will get destroyed in the Dome.
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12-09-2017, 09:44 PM	#30
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: 1st and goal 1:43 left Looking at the replay isn’t there a little bit of interference there? 1000 bucks says we would have been flagged for it. Looking again maybe more of a hold. WhoDat!656 likes this.
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