Saints fans sues over protests

ScottF · 12-13-2017, 07:47 AM

They should give him his money back and tell him and his family that he is banned from all future Saints game.

burningmetal · 12-13-2017, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

They should give him his money back and tell him and his family that he is banned from all future Saints game.

You're right, they SHOULD do that. Then maybe it will anger more fans and let this organization get an early taste of what the future will be like for them, with no fan support.

You can dislike people like this guy, or me, all you want for our stance on the protests, but just know that your opinion is not any more valid than anyone else's. And when the majority speaks, their voices will be heard, and their affects will be felt. If the Saints and the rest of the NFL are too bull headed to see that, and make things right, instead of acting like school ground bullies with their fans, then they will get precisely what they deserve.

ScottF · 12-13-2017, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

You're right, they SHOULD do that. Then maybe it will anger more fans and let this organization get an early taste of what the future will be like for them, with no fan support.

You can dislike people like this guy, or me, all you want for our stance on the protests, but just know that your opinion is not any more valid than anyone else's. And when the majority speaks, their voices will be heard, and their affects will be felt. If the Saints and the rest of the NFL are too bull headed to see that, and make things right, instead of acting like school ground bullies with their fans, then they will get precisely what they deserve.

Fans don't get to pick and choose what aspects of a team they approve of. If you don't like Kamara's hair, or Brees' chants, or Ingram's dancing, it is your right to stay home. Can we sue over performance as well? how about injuries?

and, the majority is speaking: the stands are full. There are a couple hundred tickets available for Sunday, all at of above face value.
Like many have said, sell the tickets or donate them to NOLA Boys & Girls Club.

This isn't about my opinion or anyone else's on the protests; it's about one fan seeking attention for his cause.

burningmetal · 12-13-2017, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Fans don't get to pick and choose what aspects of a team they approve of. If you don't like Kamara's hair, or Brees' chants, or Ingram's dancing, it is your right to stay home. Can we sue over performance as well? how about injuries?

and, the majority is speaking: the stands are full. There are a couple hundred tickets available for Sunday, all at of above face value.
Like many have said, sell the tickets or donate them to NOLA Boys & Girls Club.

This isn't about my opinion or anyone else's on the protests; it's about one fan seeking attention for his cause.

Fans absolutely get to choose what they approve of. Similar to how fans would react if the P.A. announcer got on the mic and started insulting fans, people have a right to make complaints about things that are particularly offensive to them. Fans pay the money, not the players. The players get paid because of the fans. Business 101: The customer is always right.

Does that mean that every grievance is legitimate? No. But this man is not in the minority.

And you are wrong about the majority. The negative feedback from the protests have far outweighed the positive. Not everyone has chosen to boycott, and of course that was to be expected. The more the NFL defies the wishes of it's audience, however, that will change quickly. Apparently you haven't noticed that in many places the attendance is down, and the TV ratings have been way down, all year. That is no coincidence for a league you believe is untouchable.

Lastly, he is not seeking attention. He has been GIVEN attention because of the Saints reaction and the media spreading the story.

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2017, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Fans absolutely get to choose what they approve of. Similar to how fans would react if the P.A. announcer got on the mic and started insulting fans, people have a right to make complaints about things that are particularly offensive to them. Fans pay the money, not the players. The players get paid because of the fans. Business 101: The customer is always right.

Does that mean that every grievance is legitimate? No. But this man is not in the minority.

And you are wrong about the majority. The negative feedback from the protests have far outweighed the positive. Not everyone has chosen to boycott, and of course that was to be expected. The more the NFL defies the wishes of it's audience, however, that will change quickly. Apparently you haven't noticed that in many places the attendance is down, and the TV ratings have been way down, all year. That is no coincidence for a league you believe is untouchable.

Lastly, he is not seeking attention. He has been GIVEN attention because of the Saints reaction and the media spreading the story.

As an accounting major I took all of those business courses, as well as economics, statistics and business law. In none of those courses is it taught that the customer is always right. To the contrary, the customer is in the wrong a great percentage of the time when complaints are levied. Legally the business isn't always required to give in. Economically, however, is the reason why some customers get their way even when they have not been wronged. If the cost associated to fight the claim outweighs the cost of giving in then "the customer is deemed being right" economically.

And you are wrong about the majority. The seats are being filled because the majority do not feel the protests are disturbing them enough to keep their butts out of the seats. THAT is a fact.

And, yes, he IS seeking attention. You are naive if you think he didn't know that filling that suit was going to hit the media in a huge manner. As a businessman he knew exactly what he was doing.

saintfan · 12-13-2017, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Fans don't get to pick and choose what aspects of a team they approve of. If you don't like Kamara's hair, or Brees' chants, or Ingram's dancing, it is your right to stay home. Can we sue over performance as well? how about injuries?

and, the majority is speaking: the stands are full. There are a couple hundred tickets available for Sunday, all at of above face value.
Like many have said, sell the tickets or donate them to NOLA Boys & Girls Club.

This isn't about my opinion or anyone else's on the protests; it's about one fan seeking attention for his cause.

I know some folks with season tix to the Texans games who were so offended they stopped going. They sold the tix for profit and now they're out, having sworn off the NFL forever.

Sell them and get on with your life man. Jeesh. Why is everyone so litigious these days?

Never mind...I know why, but that's a conversation for a different forum.

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2017, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I know some folks with season tix to the Texans games who were so offended they stopped going. They sold the tix for profit and now they're out, having sworn off the NFL forever.

Sell them and get on with your life man. Jeesh. Why is everyone so litigious these days?

Never mind...I know why, but that's a conversation for a different forum.

Exactly. All I was saying is the guy doesn't just want his money back. He's trying to make a point.

By the way, they just talked about this subject on ESPN talk radio and slammed the guy for suing over this.

12-13-2017, 07:47 AM	#1
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12-13-2017, 08:48 AM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by ScottF They should give him his money back and tell him and his family that he is banned from all future Saints game. You're right, they SHOULD do that. Then maybe it will anger more fans and let this organization get an early taste of what the future will be like for them, with no fan support. You can dislike people like this guy, or me, all you want for our stance on the protests, but just know that your opinion is not any more valid than anyone else's. And when the majority speaks, their voices will be heard, and their affects will be felt. If the Saints and the rest of the NFL are too bull headed to see that, and make things right, instead of acting like school ground bullies with their fans, then they will get precisely what they deserve. jnormand and neugey like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

12-13-2017, 12:40 PM	#3
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by burningmetal You're right, they SHOULD do that. Then maybe it will anger more fans and let this organization get an early taste of what the future will be like for them, with no fan support. You can dislike people like this guy, or me, all you want for our stance on the protests, but just know that your opinion is not any more valid than anyone else's. And when the majority speaks, their voices will be heard, and their affects will be felt. If the Saints and the rest of the NFL are too bull headed to see that, and make things right, instead of acting like school ground bullies with their fans, then they will get precisely what they deserve. Fans don't get to pick and choose what aspects of a team they approve of. If you don't like Kamara's hair, or Brees' chants, or Ingram's dancing, it is your right to stay home. Can we sue over performance as well? how about injuries? and, the majority is speaking: the stands are full. There are a couple hundred tickets available for Sunday, all at of above face value. Like many have said, sell the tickets or donate them to NOLA Boys & Girls Club. This isn't about my opinion or anyone else's on the protests; it's about one fan seeking attention for his cause. saintfan likes this.

12-13-2017, 12:53 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by ScottF Fans don't get to pick and choose what aspects of a team they approve of. If you don't like Kamara's hair, or Brees' chants, or Ingram's dancing, it is your right to stay home. Can we sue over performance as well? how about injuries? and, the majority is speaking: the stands are full. There are a couple hundred tickets available for Sunday, all at of above face value. Like many have said, sell the tickets or donate them to NOLA Boys & Girls Club. This isn't about my opinion or anyone else's on the protests; it's about one fan seeking attention for his cause. Fans absolutely get to choose what they approve of. Similar to how fans would react if the P.A. announcer got on the mic and started insulting fans, people have a right to make complaints about things that are particularly offensive to them. Fans pay the money, not the players. The players get paid because of the fans. Business 101: The customer is always right. Does that mean that every grievance is legitimate? No. But this man is not in the minority. And you are wrong about the majority. The negative feedback from the protests have far outweighed the positive. Not everyone has chosen to boycott, and of course that was to be expected. The more the NFL defies the wishes of it's audience, however, that will change quickly. Apparently you haven't noticed that in many places the attendance is down, and the TV ratings have been way down, all year. That is no coincidence for a league you believe is untouchable. Lastly, he is not seeking attention. He has been GIVEN attention because of the Saints reaction and the media spreading the story. SmashMouth likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

12-13-2017, 02:34 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by burningmetal Fans absolutely get to choose what they approve of. Similar to how fans would react if the P.A. announcer got on the mic and started insulting fans, people have a right to make complaints about things that are particularly offensive to them. Fans pay the money, not the players. The players get paid because of the fans. Business 101: The customer is always right. Does that mean that every grievance is legitimate? No. But this man is not in the minority. And you are wrong about the majority. The negative feedback from the protests have far outweighed the positive. Not everyone has chosen to boycott, and of course that was to be expected. The more the NFL defies the wishes of it's audience, however, that will change quickly. Apparently you haven't noticed that in many places the attendance is down, and the TV ratings have been way down, all year. That is no coincidence for a league you believe is untouchable. Lastly, he is not seeking attention. He has been GIVEN attention because of the Saints reaction and the media spreading the story. As an accounting major I took all of those business courses, as well as economics, statistics and business law. In none of those courses is it taught that the customer is always right. To the contrary, the customer is in the wrong a great percentage of the time when complaints are levied. Legally the business isn't always required to give in. Economically, however, is the reason why some customers get their way even when they have not been wronged. If the cost associated to fight the claim outweighs the cost of giving in then "the customer is deemed being right" economically. And you are wrong about the majority. The seats are being filled because the majority do not feel the protests are disturbing them enough to keep their butts out of the seats. THAT is a fact. And, yes, he IS seeking attention. You are naive if you think he didn't know that filling that suit was going to hit the media in a huge manner. As a businessman he knew exactly what he was doing. xan likes this.
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12-13-2017, 02:08 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by ScottF Fans don't get to pick and choose what aspects of a team they approve of. If you don't like Kamara's hair, or Brees' chants, or Ingram's dancing, it is your right to stay home. Can we sue over performance as well? how about injuries? and, the majority is speaking: the stands are full. There are a couple hundred tickets available for Sunday, all at of above face value. Like many have said, sell the tickets or donate them to NOLA Boys & Girls Club. This isn't about my opinion or anyone else's on the protests; it's about one fan seeking attention for his cause. I know some folks with season tix to the Texans games who were so offended they stopped going. They sold the tix for profit and now they're out, having sworn off the NFL forever. Sell them and get on with your life man. Jeesh. Why is everyone so litigious these days? Never mind...I know why, but that's a conversation for a different forum. neugey, ScottF, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.

12-13-2017, 02:23 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by saintfan I know some folks with season tix to the Texans games who were so offended they stopped going. They sold the tix for profit and now they're out, having sworn off the NFL forever. Sell them and get on with your life man. Jeesh. Why is everyone so litigious these days? Never mind...I know why, but that's a conversation for a different forum. Exactly. All I was saying is the guy doesn't just want his money back. He's trying to make a point. By the way, they just talked about this subject on ESPN talk radio and slammed the guy for suing over this. ScottF likes this.

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