Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class

WhoDat!656 · 01-03-2018, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I don't know. It's going to be next to impossible to put any class over the Steelers 1974 class that ended up with four hall of famers: Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Lambert and John Stallworth.

The Steelers draft class didn't have the immediate results that the Saints did.

The Steelers in 1973 were 10-3-1; in 1974 they were 10-4

Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD

91 John Stallworth PIT WR 16 269 16.8 20.7 -- 1

110 Lynn Swann PIT WR 11 208 18.9 17.3 -- 2

burningmetal · 01-03-2018, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

The Steelers draft class didn't have the immediate results that the Saints did.

The Steelers in 1973 were 10-3-1; in 1974 they were 10-4

Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD

91 John Stallworth PIT WR 16 269 16.8 20.7 -- 1

110 Lynn Swann PIT WR 11 208 18.9 17.3 -- 2

So? maybe they didn't need those guys to contribute as much in their first year. They did win the Super Bowl, after all. Does this mean that the Steelers did not, in fact, draft four hall of famers in the same year?

I'm having a hard time understanding why this is an argument.

WhoDat!656 · 01-03-2018, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

So? maybe they didn't need those guys to contribute as much in their first year. They did win the Super Bowl, after all. Does this mean that the Steelers did not, in fact, draft four hall of famers in the same year?

I'm having a hard time understanding why this is an argument.

The difference is the Saints 2017 draft class had an immediate and positive effect; the Steelers 1974 class did not.

burningmetal · 01-03-2018, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

The difference is the Saints 2017 draft class had an immediate and positive effect; the Steelers 1974 class did not.

That's an entirely different argument. You are literally just talking about one season. And what about Jack Lambert and Mike Webster? Did they do nothing? If that team won the super bowl, then it seems everything worked out as well as it needed to, and they all went on to be hall of famers.

Seems pretty simple to me.

Beastmode · 01-03-2018, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

So? maybe they didn't need those guys to contribute as much in their first year. They did win the Super Bowl, after all. Does this mean that the Steelers did not, in fact, draft four hall of famers in the same year?

I'm having a hard time understanding why this is an argument.

Regardless, they will go down as one of the best draft classes of not only the Saints but of any team. Probably in the top 5 on the first rookie season alone. Talking about long term careers is fairly silly at this point. I don't even know how that is even on the table.

burningmetal · 01-03-2018, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Regardless, they will go down as one of the best draft classes of not only the Saints but of any team. Probably in the top 5 on the first rookie season alone. Talking about long term careers is fairly silly at this point. I don't even know how that is even on the table.

It's on the table because you said it might be the best class of all time. So I'm just saying it will be hard to top the Steelers '74 class. I didn't say they WON'T. I just thought I might remind people of that.

The Saints draft class has been highly productive, and may very well go down as one of the best ever. I'm not arguing with you on that. Just tryin' to bring some perspective.

Beastmode · 01-03-2018, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

It's on the table because you said it might be the best class of all time. So I'm just saying it will be hard to top the Steelers '74 class. I didn't say they WON'T. I just thought I might remind people of that.

The Saints draft class has been highly productive, and may very well go down as one of the best ever. I'm not arguing with you on that. Just tryin' to bring some perspective.

But you are arguing with me as me with you. End of the day, if they win the SB that means they made a lot more plays. They will be the best draft class in their rookie year of all time or on equal ground with the disco Steelers. That is all I'm saying. But they have to get the Lombardi.

burningmetal · 01-03-2018, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

But you are arguing with me as me with you. End of the day, if they win the SB that means they made a lot more plays. They will be the best draft class in their rookie year of all time or on equal ground with the disco Steelers. That is all I'm saying. But they have to get the Lombardi.

You've either shifted the argument to JUST their rookie season, or you made it appear to me that you were talking about best draft class ever, period.

Winning the Super Bowl is a team accomplishment, though, so I don't know that it matters how the Saints finish. If you want to talk about just for their rookie years, sure, I'll give you that. That didn't seem to be the discussion we started out with.

01-03-2018, 07:25 PM	#1
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by burningmetal I don't know. It's going to be next to impossible to put any class over the Steelers 1974 class that ended up with four hall of famers: Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Lambert and John Stallworth. The Steelers draft class didn't have the immediate results that the Saints did. The Steelers in 1973 were 10-3-1; in 1974 they were 10-4 Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 91 John Stallworth PIT WR 16 269 16.8 20.7 -- 1 110 Lynn Swann PIT WR 11 208 18.9 17.3 -- 2

01-03-2018, 07:30 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 The Steelers draft class didn't have the immediate results that the Saints did. The Steelers in 1973 were 10-3-1; in 1974 they were 10-4 Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 91 John Stallworth PIT WR 16 269 16.8 20.7 -- 1 110 Lynn Swann PIT WR 11 208 18.9 17.3 -- 2 So? maybe they didn't need those guys to contribute as much in their first year. They did win the Super Bowl, after all. Does this mean that the Steelers did not, in fact, draft four hall of famers in the same year? I'm having a hard time understanding why this is an argument.

01-03-2018, 07:41 PM	#3
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by burningmetal So? maybe they didn't need those guys to contribute as much in their first year. They did win the Super Bowl, after all. Does this mean that the Steelers did not, in fact, draft four hall of famers in the same year? I'm having a hard time understanding why this is an argument. The difference is the Saints 2017 draft class had an immediate and positive effect; the Steelers 1974 class did not.

01-03-2018, 07:43 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 The difference is the Saints 2017 draft class had an immediate and positive effect; the Steelers 1974 class did not. That's an entirely different argument. You are literally just talking about one season. And what about Jack Lambert and Mike Webster? Did they do nothing? If that team won the super bowl, then it seems everything worked out as well as it needed to, and they all went on to be hall of famers. Seems pretty simple to me.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by burningmetal So? maybe they didn't need those guys to contribute as much in their first year. They did win the Super Bowl, after all. Does this mean that the Steelers did not, in fact, draft four hall of famers in the same year? I'm having a hard time understanding why this is an argument. Regardless, they will go down as one of the best draft classes of not only the Saints but of any team. Probably in the top 5 on the first rookie season alone. Talking about long term careers is fairly silly at this point. I don't even know how that is even on the table.
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01-03-2018, 07:45 PM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by Beastmode Regardless, they will go down as one of the best draft classes of not only the Saints but of any team. Probably in the top 5 on the first rookie season alone. Talking about long term careers is fairly silly at this point. I don't even know how that is even on the table. It's on the table because you said it might be the best class of all time. So I'm just saying it will be hard to top the Steelers '74 class. I didn't say they WON'T. I just thought I might remind people of that. The Saints draft class has been highly productive, and may very well go down as one of the best ever. I'm not arguing with you on that. Just tryin' to bring some perspective.

01-03-2018, 08:03 PM	#7
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by burningmetal It's on the table because you said it might be the best class of all time. So I'm just saying it will be hard to top the Steelers '74 class. I didn't say they WON'T. I just thought I might remind people of that. The Saints draft class has been highly productive, and may very well go down as one of the best ever. I'm not arguing with you on that. Just tryin' to bring some perspective. But you are arguing with me as me with you. End of the day, if they win the SB that means they made a lot more plays. They will be the best draft class in their rookie year of all time or on equal ground with the disco Steelers. That is all I'm saying. But they have to get the Lombardi.
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01-03-2018, 08:22 PM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by Beastmode But you are arguing with me as me with you. End of the day, if they win the SB that means they made a lot more plays. They will be the best draft class in their rookie year of all time or on equal ground with the disco Steelers. That is all I'm saying. But they have to get the Lombardi. You've either shifted the argument to JUST their rookie season, or you made it appear to me that you were talking about best draft class ever, period. Winning the Super Bowl is a team accomplishment, though, so I don't know that it matters how the Saints finish. If you want to talk about just for their rookie years, sure, I'll give you that. That didn't seem to be the discussion we started out with.

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