Pay The Man

01-05-2018, 02:48 PM

He’s not done. He’s also dealing with a lot less talent in the receiving corps and TE. Thomas is money but Coleman and Ginn haven’t helped much and Snead is non existent.

voodooido · 01-05-2018, 02:58 PM

No reason not to give him 2-3 more years. Whats the worst that could happen? He only gives us 25 tds and 4000 yards? Teams would kill for that! Let the man retire a Saint with every passing record. Not to often the Saints have something good going for them. Ride the Drew train SP.

burningmetal · 01-05-2018, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

...and nothing has changed since then. The bottom line is that if the Saints wants Brees to continue, then they will negotiate with Brees' squad whatever it takes to get him to stay.

But burningmetal seems to be saying we need to get another QB in here and that Brees is no longer elite. I (like most here) are really trying to figure out who's house exactly do you plan to back to money truck to replace Brees. I posit that short of literally breaking the bank to get Garroppolo to sign, that none of the other free agents are worth the potential cost. By breaking the bank I mean 2 1st round picks to pry him away from the 49ers and then a long term contract for more than $30 million average.

The grass may be greener, but there's a reason that a $500,000 lawn costs that much.

The smarter path is to draft and train the replacement while continuing to award Brees short term cash contracts until he decided to bring his cleats to the HOF. In short, exactly the same contract as the last one with whatever raise Brees is willing to work with.

Finally let's not forget that Payton has been quoted saying the eventual replacement is already in the building. So it'll be interesting to see what happens with Taysom Hill in the preseason moving into 2018.

SFIAH

I didn't say anybody NEEDED to replace Brees. I'm saying pay for what you get. If he wants to take a reasonable team friendly deal, keep him. But he may want to pursue the highest number. I'd not pay that for a 39 year old.

You are wondering who I'd replace him with, but I've already answered that in a similar thread. Drew Is playing on a very similar level to Alex Smith, and he's going to be available. He's not a spring chicken (and obviously he doesn't have the overall reputation), but he has enough years left that you could theoretically sign him for a 3-4 year deal at a cheaper cost, and bridge the gap while the team looks to develop a long term replacement.

Or you can use the same strategy with Brees, except that you'll potentially be paying through the nose and might lose the nucleus of your team before you have another QB ready. I hear the same arguments, year after year, that the cap will rise. Of course it will... And so will the inflation of contracts. People never seem to account for inflation. Football doesn't work like capitalism where you earn your way up. Free agency causes bidding wars that drive up the costs of contracts, and we all know this.

I understand it would hurt many to see Drew go. I get it. And to be clear, this isn't a prediction I'm making, but just an opinion. I don't think there is much chance they will let Drew walk, because teams are notorious for hanging on to "face of the franchise" players and milking everything they can out of them. I am very aware of this fact.

K Major · 01-05-2018, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

I'm all for paying him again. He's still playing great and I don't think there will be a substantial drop off anytime soon.

voodooido · 01-05-2018, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

you can not win when a player sucks up too much of the cap.

Nope, Drew, Brady and Rogers have never led their teams to a championship. Wait a minute............

saintfan · 01-05-2018, 05:13 PM

Show than man the money...

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01-05-2018, 02:48 PM	#21
Threaded by The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048 Rating: (0 votes - average) He’s not done. He’s also dealing with a lot less talent in the receiving corps and TE. Thomas is money but Coleman and Ginn haven’t helped much and Snead is non existent.
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01-05-2018, 02:58 PM	#22
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Pay The Man No reason not to give him 2-3 more years. Whats the worst that could happen? He only gives us 25 tds and 4000 yards? Teams would kill for that! Let the man retire a Saint with every passing record. Not to often the Saints have something good going for them. Ride the Drew train SP. SaintFanInATLHELL and AsylumGuido like this.
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01-05-2018, 04:10 PM	#23
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pay The Man Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL ...and nothing has changed since then. The bottom line is that if the Saints wants Brees to continue, then they will negotiate with Brees' squad whatever it takes to get him to stay. But burningmetal seems to be saying we need to get another QB in here and that Brees is no longer elite. I (like most here) are really trying to figure out who's house exactly do you plan to back to money truck to replace Brees. I posit that short of literally breaking the bank to get Garroppolo to sign, that none of the other free agents are worth the potential cost. By breaking the bank I mean 2 1st round picks to pry him away from the 49ers and then a long term contract for more than $30 million average. The grass may be greener, but there's a reason that a $500,000 lawn costs that much. The smarter path is to draft and train the replacement while continuing to award Brees short term cash contracts until he decided to bring his cleats to the HOF. In short, exactly the same contract as the last one with whatever raise Brees is willing to work with. Finally let's not forget that Payton has been quoted saying the eventual replacement is already in the building. So it'll be interesting to see what happens with Taysom Hill in the preseason moving into 2018. SFIAH I didn't say anybody NEEDED to replace Brees. I'm saying pay for what you get. If he wants to take a reasonable team friendly deal, keep him. But he may want to pursue the highest number. I'd not pay that for a 39 year old. You are wondering who I'd replace him with, but I've already answered that in a similar thread. Drew Is playing on a very similar level to Alex Smith, and he's going to be available. He's not a spring chicken (and obviously he doesn't have the overall reputation), but he has enough years left that you could theoretically sign him for a 3-4 year deal at a cheaper cost, and bridge the gap while the team looks to develop a long term replacement. Or you can use the same strategy with Brees, except that you'll potentially be paying through the nose and might lose the nucleus of your team before you have another QB ready. I hear the same arguments, year after year, that the cap will rise. Of course it will... And so will the inflation of contracts. People never seem to account for inflation. Football doesn't work like capitalism where you earn your way up. Free agency causes bidding wars that drive up the costs of contracts, and we all know this. I understand it would hurt many to see Drew go. I get it. And to be clear, this isn't a prediction I'm making, but just an opinion. I don't think there is much chance they will let Drew walk, because teams are notorious for hanging on to "face of the franchise" players and milking everything they can out of them. I am very aware of this fact.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-05-2018, 04:10 PM	#24
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pay The Man Originally Posted by frydaddy I'm all for paying him again. He's still playing great and I don't think there will be a substantial drop off anytime soon.

01-05-2018, 05:11 PM	#25
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Pay The Man Originally Posted by hagan714 you can not win when a player sucks up too much of the cap. Nope, Drew, Brady and Rogers have never led their teams to a championship. Wait a minute............ AsylumGuido and K Major like this.
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