Pay The Man

01-05-2018, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

When Brees had the prolonged negotiations and got the big payday we lost a key o-lineman. Last time he took a team-friendly salary, and now we are in good shape financially, and of course as a team.

No one can begrudge anyone for going for what they feel they're worth. However , as a middle class earner, it's fair to ask, 'how much more does he need?'

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

If the Saints didn't pay Brees, another team would have.

...and nothing has changed since then. The bottom line is that if the Saints wants Brees to continue, then they will negotiate with Brees' squad whatever it takes to get him to stay.

But burningmetal seems to be saying we need to get another QB in here and that Brees is no longer elite. I (like most here) are really trying to figure out who's house exactly do you plan to back to money truck to replace Brees. I posit that short of literally breaking the bank to get Garroppolo to sign, that none of the other free agents are worth the potential cost. By breaking the bank I mean 2 1st round picks to pry him away from the 49ers and then a long term contract for more than $30 million average.

The grass may be greener, but there's a reason that a $500,000 lawn costs that much.

The smarter path is to draft and train the replacement while continuing to award Brees short term cash contracts until he decided to bring his cleats to the HOF. In short, exactly the same contract as the last one with whatever raise Brees is willing to work with.

Finally let's not forget that Payton has been quoted saying the eventual replacement is already in the building. So it'll be interesting to see what happens with Taysom Hill in the preseason moving into 2018.

SFIAH

hagan714 · 01-05-2018, 08:50 AM

you can not win when a player sucks up too much of the cap.

ScottF · 01-05-2018, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

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The smarter path is to draft and train the replacement while continuing to award Brees short term cash contracts until he decided to bring his cleats to the HOF. In short, exactly the same contract as the last one with whatever raise Brees is willing to work with.

Finally let's not forget that Payton has been quoted saying the eventual replacement is already in the building. So it'll be interesting to see what happens with Taysom Hill in the preseason moving into 2018.

SFIAH

This is the the year of the quarterback draft-wise: Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph, et al. And what happens to Bridgewater, Bradford, Brissett, Cousins, and to a lesser degree Savage, Glennon, Hundley, and Foles? Should be interesting.

Maybe Hill can play- he certainly has the grit and heart.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-05-2018, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

you can not win when a player sucks up too much of the cap.

The Saints are $18 million in for Brees against the cap whether or not he's on the team or not in 2018. So while there is the issue of the cap, Brees' cost now for 2018 is only the marginal spending over $18 million. And restructuring can lower that number for Brees. But it cannot be lowered for anyone else.

SFIAH

Papa Voodoo · 01-05-2018, 10:34 AM

The Saints will be blessed to have another QB remotely in his realm in our lifetime. The 49ers and Packers are the only teams that had this work out (Chargers?). Luck is still iffy. You keep an elite QB, period.

Rugby Saint II · 01-05-2018, 11:27 AM

It's easy to see how he earns his money. He makes smart decisions and gets the team places they would never be without him.

jeanpierre · 01-05-2018, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

you can not win when a player sucks up too much of the cap.

AsylumGuido · 01-05-2018, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

you can not win when a player sucks up too much of the cap.

The overall cap is growing at a greater rate than is Brees' salary. His percentage of cap is getting smaller and smaller. That said, average QB's (which most likely cannot lead a team to the championship) are now garnering more than Brees has been getting.

Papa Voodoo · 01-05-2018, 12:26 PM

Isn't Carr the highest paid QB?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-05-2018, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Isn't Carr the highest paid QB?

Nope. Stafford.

Note that both are currently not in the playoffs...

SFIAH

01-05-2018, 08:37 AM	#11
Threaded by SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by ScottF When Brees had the prolonged negotiations and got the big payday we lost a key o-lineman. Last time he took a team-friendly salary, and now we are in good shape financially, and of course as a team. No one can begrudge anyone for going for what they feel they're worth. However , as a middle class earner, it's fair to ask, 'how much more does he need?' Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 If the Saints didn't pay Brees, another team would have. ...and nothing has changed since then. The bottom line is that if the Saints wants Brees to continue, then they will negotiate with Brees' squad whatever it takes to get him to stay. But burningmetal seems to be saying we need to get another QB in here and that Brees is no longer elite. I (like most here) are really trying to figure out who's house exactly do you plan to back to money truck to replace Brees. I posit that short of literally breaking the bank to get Garroppolo to sign, that none of the other free agents are worth the potential cost. By breaking the bank I mean 2 1st round picks to pry him away from the 49ers and then a long term contract for more than $30 million average. The grass may be greener, but there's a reason that a $500,000 lawn costs that much. The smarter path is to draft and train the replacement while continuing to award Brees short term cash contracts until he decided to bring his cleats to the HOF. In short, exactly the same contract as the last one with whatever raise Brees is willing to work with. Finally let's not forget that Payton has been quoted saying the eventual replacement is already in the building. So it'll be interesting to see what happens with Taysom Hill in the preseason moving into 2018. SFIAH
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01-05-2018, 08:50 AM	#12
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Pay The Man you can not win when a player sucks up too much of the cap. jeanpierre likes this.

01-05-2018, 10:24 AM	#13
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Pay The Man Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL . The smarter path is to draft and train the replacement while continuing to award Brees short term cash contracts until he decided to bring his cleats to the HOF. In short, exactly the same contract as the last one with whatever raise Brees is willing to work with. Finally let's not forget that Payton has been quoted saying the eventual replacement is already in the building. So it'll be interesting to see what happens with Taysom Hill in the preseason moving into 2018. SFIAH This is the the year of the quarterback draft-wise: Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph, et al. And what happens to Bridgewater, Bradford, Brissett, Cousins, and to a lesser degree Savage, Glennon, Hundley, and Foles? Should be interesting. Maybe Hill can play- he certainly has the grit and heart.

01-05-2018, 10:24 AM	#14
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Pay The Man Originally Posted by hagan714 you can not win when a player sucks up too much of the cap. The Saints are $18 million in for Brees against the cap whether or not he's on the team or not in 2018. So while there is the issue of the cap, Brees' cost now for 2018 is only the marginal spending over $18 million. And restructuring can lower that number for Brees. But it cannot be lowered for anyone else. SFIAH saintfan and AsylumGuido like this.

01-05-2018, 10:34 AM	#15
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Pay The Man The Saints will be blessed to have another QB remotely in his realm in our lifetime. The 49ers and Packers are the only teams that had this work out (Chargers?). Luck is still iffy. You keep an elite QB, period. saintfan, SaintFanInATLHELL, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Re: Pay The Man It's easy to see how he earns his money. He makes smart decisions and gets the team places they would never be without him.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Pay The Man Originally Posted by hagan714 you can not win when a player sucks up too much of the cap.

01-05-2018, 11:48 AM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,045	Re: Pay The Man Originally Posted by hagan714 you can not win when a player sucks up too much of the cap. The overall cap is growing at a greater rate than is Brees' salary. His percentage of cap is getting smaller and smaller. That said, average QB's (which most likely cannot lead a team to the championship) are now garnering more than Brees has been getting. Papa Voodoo likes this.

01-05-2018, 12:26 PM	#19
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Pay The Man Isn't Carr the highest paid QB?

01-05-2018, 12:37 PM	#20
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Pay The Man Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Isn't Carr the highest paid QB? Nope. Stafford. Note that both are currently not in the playoffs... SFIAH Papa Voodoo likes this.