Pay The Man

ScottF · 01-05-2018, 07:19 AM

When Brees had the prolonged negotiations and got the big payday we lost a key o-lineman. Last time he took a team-friendly salary, and now we are in good shape financially, and of course as a team.

No one can begrudge anyone for going for what they feel they're worth. However , as a middle class earner, it's fair to ask, 'how much more does he need?'

WhoDat!656 · 01-05-2018, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

When Brees had the prolonged negotiations and got the big payday we lost a key o-lineman. Last time he took a team-friendly salary, and now we are in good shape financially, and of course as a team.

No one can begrudge anyone for going for what they feel they're worth. However , as a middle class earner, it's fair to ask, 'how much more does he need?'

If the Saints didn't pay Brees, another team would have.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-05-2018, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

When Brees had the prolonged negotiations and got the big payday we lost a key o-lineman. Last time he took a team-friendly salary, and now we are in good shape financially, and of course as a team.

No one can begrudge anyone for going for what they feel they're worth. However , as a middle class earner, it's fair to ask, 'how much more does he need?'

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

If the Saints didn't pay Brees, another team would have.

...and nothing has changed since then. The bottom line is that if the Saints wants Brees to continue, then they will negotiate with Brees' squad whatever it takes to get him to stay.

But burningmetal seems to be saying we need to get another QB in here and that Brees is no longer elite. I (like most here) are really trying to figure out who's house exactly do you plan to back to money truck to replace Brees. I posit that short of literally breaking the bank to get Garroppolo to sign, that none of the other free agents are worth the potential cost. By breaking the bank I mean 2 1st round picks to pry him away from the 49ers and then a long term contract for more than $30 million average.

The grass may be greener, but there's a reason that a $500,000 lawn costs that much.

The smarter path is to draft and train the replacement while continuing to award Brees short term cash contracts until he decided to bring his cleats to the HOF. In short, exactly the same contract as the last one with whatever raise Brees is willing to work with.

Finally let's not forget that Payton has been quoted saying the eventual replacement is already in the building. So it'll be interesting to see what happens with Taysom Hill in the preseason moving into 2018.

SFIAH

ScottF · 01-05-2018, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

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The smarter path is to draft and train the replacement while continuing to award Brees short term cash contracts until he decided to bring his cleats to the HOF. In short, exactly the same contract as the last one with whatever raise Brees is willing to work with.

Finally let's not forget that Payton has been quoted saying the eventual replacement is already in the building. So it'll be interesting to see what happens with Taysom Hill in the preseason moving into 2018.

SFIAH

This is the the year of the quarterback draft-wise: Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph, et al. And what happens to Bridgewater, Bradford, Brissett, Cousins, and to a lesser degree Savage, Glennon, Hundley, and Foles? Should be interesting.

Maybe Hill can play- he certainly has the grit and heart.

burningmetal · 01-05-2018, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

...and nothing has changed since then. The bottom line is that if the Saints wants Brees to continue, then they will negotiate with Brees' squad whatever it takes to get him to stay.

But burningmetal seems to be saying we need to get another QB in here and that Brees is no longer elite. I (like most here) are really trying to figure out who's house exactly do you plan to back to money truck to replace Brees. I posit that short of literally breaking the bank to get Garroppolo to sign, that none of the other free agents are worth the potential cost. By breaking the bank I mean 2 1st round picks to pry him away from the 49ers and then a long term contract for more than $30 million average.

The grass may be greener, but there's a reason that a $500,000 lawn costs that much.

The smarter path is to draft and train the replacement while continuing to award Brees short term cash contracts until he decided to bring his cleats to the HOF. In short, exactly the same contract as the last one with whatever raise Brees is willing to work with.

Finally let's not forget that Payton has been quoted saying the eventual replacement is already in the building. So it'll be interesting to see what happens with Taysom Hill in the preseason moving into 2018.

SFIAH

I didn't say anybody NEEDED to replace Brees. I'm saying pay for what you get. If he wants to take a reasonable team friendly deal, keep him. But he may want to pursue the highest number. I'd not pay that for a 39 year old.

You are wondering who I'd replace him with, but I've already answered that in a similar thread. Drew Is playing on a very similar level to Alex Smith, and he's going to be available. He's not a spring chicken (and obviously he doesn't have the overall reputation), but he has enough years left that you could theoretically sign him for a 3-4 year deal at a cheaper cost, and bridge the gap while the team looks to develop a long term replacement.

Or you can use the same strategy with Brees, except that you'll potentially be paying through the nose and might lose the nucleus of your team before you have another QB ready. I hear the same arguments, year after year, that the cap will rise. Of course it will... And so will the inflation of contracts. People never seem to account for inflation. Football doesn't work like capitalism where you earn your way up. Free agency causes bidding wars that drive up the costs of contracts, and we all know this.

I understand it would hurt many to see Drew go. I get it. And to be clear, this isn't a prediction I'm making, but just an opinion. I don't think there is much chance they will let Drew walk, because teams are notorious for hanging on to "face of the franchise" players and milking everything they can out of them. I am very aware of this fact.

01-05-2018, 07:19 AM	#1
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Pay The Man When Brees had the prolonged negotiations and got the big payday we lost a key o-lineman. Last time he took a team-friendly salary, and now we are in good shape financially, and of course as a team. No one can begrudge anyone for going for what they feel they're worth. However , as a middle class earner, it's fair to ask, 'how much more does he need?'

01-05-2018, 07:27 AM	#2
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,085	Re: Pay The Man Originally Posted by ScottF When Brees had the prolonged negotiations and got the big payday we lost a key o-lineman. Last time he took a team-friendly salary, and now we are in good shape financially, and of course as a team. No one can begrudge anyone for going for what they feel they're worth. However , as a middle class earner, it's fair to ask, 'how much more does he need?' If the Saints didn't pay Brees, another team would have.

01-05-2018, 08:37 AM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Pay The Man Originally Posted by ScottF When Brees had the prolonged negotiations and got the big payday we lost a key o-lineman. Last time he took a team-friendly salary, and now we are in good shape financially, and of course as a team. No one can begrudge anyone for going for what they feel they're worth. However , as a middle class earner, it's fair to ask, 'how much more does he need?' Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 If the Saints didn't pay Brees, another team would have. ...and nothing has changed since then. The bottom line is that if the Saints wants Brees to continue, then they will negotiate with Brees' squad whatever it takes to get him to stay. But burningmetal seems to be saying we need to get another QB in here and that Brees is no longer elite. I (like most here) are really trying to figure out who's house exactly do you plan to back to money truck to replace Brees. I posit that short of literally breaking the bank to get Garroppolo to sign, that none of the other free agents are worth the potential cost. By breaking the bank I mean 2 1st round picks to pry him away from the 49ers and then a long term contract for more than $30 million average. The grass may be greener, but there's a reason that a $500,000 lawn costs that much. The smarter path is to draft and train the replacement while continuing to award Brees short term cash contracts until he decided to bring his cleats to the HOF. In short, exactly the same contract as the last one with whatever raise Brees is willing to work with. Finally let's not forget that Payton has been quoted saying the eventual replacement is already in the building. So it'll be interesting to see what happens with Taysom Hill in the preseason moving into 2018. SFIAH
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01-05-2018, 10:24 AM	#4
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Pay The Man Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL . The smarter path is to draft and train the replacement while continuing to award Brees short term cash contracts until he decided to bring his cleats to the HOF. In short, exactly the same contract as the last one with whatever raise Brees is willing to work with. Finally let's not forget that Payton has been quoted saying the eventual replacement is already in the building. So it'll be interesting to see what happens with Taysom Hill in the preseason moving into 2018. SFIAH This is the the year of the quarterback draft-wise: Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph, et al. And what happens to Bridgewater, Bradford, Brissett, Cousins, and to a lesser degree Savage, Glennon, Hundley, and Foles? Should be interesting. Maybe Hill can play- he certainly has the grit and heart.

01-05-2018, 03:10 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pay The Man Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL ...and nothing has changed since then. The bottom line is that if the Saints wants Brees to continue, then they will negotiate with Brees' squad whatever it takes to get him to stay. But burningmetal seems to be saying we need to get another QB in here and that Brees is no longer elite. I (like most here) are really trying to figure out who's house exactly do you plan to back to money truck to replace Brees. I posit that short of literally breaking the bank to get Garroppolo to sign, that none of the other free agents are worth the potential cost. By breaking the bank I mean 2 1st round picks to pry him away from the 49ers and then a long term contract for more than $30 million average. The grass may be greener, but there's a reason that a $500,000 lawn costs that much. The smarter path is to draft and train the replacement while continuing to award Brees short term cash contracts until he decided to bring his cleats to the HOF. In short, exactly the same contract as the last one with whatever raise Brees is willing to work with. Finally let's not forget that Payton has been quoted saying the eventual replacement is already in the building. So it'll be interesting to see what happens with Taysom Hill in the preseason moving into 2018. SFIAH I didn't say anybody NEEDED to replace Brees. I'm saying pay for what you get. If he wants to take a reasonable team friendly deal, keep him. But he may want to pursue the highest number. I'd not pay that for a 39 year old. You are wondering who I'd replace him with, but I've already answered that in a similar thread. Drew Is playing on a very similar level to Alex Smith, and he's going to be available. He's not a spring chicken (and obviously he doesn't have the overall reputation), but he has enough years left that you could theoretically sign him for a 3-4 year deal at a cheaper cost, and bridge the gap while the team looks to develop a long term replacement. Or you can use the same strategy with Brees, except that you'll potentially be paying through the nose and might lose the nucleus of your team before you have another QB ready. I hear the same arguments, year after year, that the cap will rise. Of course it will... And so will the inflation of contracts. People never seem to account for inflation. Football doesn't work like capitalism where you earn your way up. Free agency causes bidding wars that drive up the costs of contracts, and we all know this. I understand it would hurt many to see Drew go. I get it. And to be clear, this isn't a prediction I'm making, but just an opinion. I don't think there is much chance they will let Drew walk, because teams are notorious for hanging on to "face of the franchise" players and milking everything they can out of them. I am very aware of this fact.
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