I held firm - an open letter

neugey · 01-15-2018, 08:27 AM

Following the Lions game, I didn't watch any Saints or NFL games this year. Barely even saw a highlight or two. Didn't even look at box scores. Because of reasons posted in my blog - http://blackandgold.com/blogs/neugey...aints-nfl.html - and many others, Goodell being a big one.

Yesterday during the Vikings/Saints game I listened to some music on Spotify, did some car repairs, did some chores, played a few video games. I looked at the Saints/Vikings final score after the fact and quickly read about the final play. At my daughter's insistence I did watch the replay of it. What a terrible tackle by Williams!

I have no plans of watching the conference championship games or the Super Bowl. I'll find something else to do.

Maybe I missed some good football but I also missed out on a lot of nonsense - prima donna factions of players, easy instant replays that take 3-5 minutes when they should take less than a minute, excessive and bad commercials, flags left and right, etc. Who knows what else.

I don't regret it. I got to watch those last two Georgia Bulldogs games which each were bonafide classics. If my friends and family had a great time watching the game yesterday then I'm happy for them. So the glass feels half-full for me.

I still feel fairly burned out by the NFL - not just by the issues in my blog but just the entirety of it. Still about 90% burned out. After this long off-season, I guess we will see if it persists and then I'll make a decision in August. Right now I am looking forward to more Lakers games, MLB and fantasy baseball and Wimbledon and US Open mainly.

I suppose the recent surge of exciting NFL games is an indication that the football gods are trying to correct for Goodell's eff ups. If the players would drop this SJW phase and stand up to Goodell with a long and hard strike for the right reasons, that could earn some trust back. It is really up to the players and coaches - ultimately they provide the product and the entertainment. They are going to have to start going to bat for themselves, the fans and the integrity of the game - for the long-term good of the game. Because ultimately they aren't on a knee for police brutality, they are on bended knee for Goodell.

saintshrimp · 01-15-2018, 08:50 AM

Hey good for you.Thats the choice you made enjoy your other activities.

burningmetal · 01-15-2018, 09:10 AM

So did I. I did read box scores, out of boredom, on Sunday afternoon's, and saw the occasional highlight. But I don't watch games or listen to them. As the season wore on it became something I missed less and less.

I have my criteria of what it would take for the NFL to win me back, but I am not holding my breath on it happening. They showed what they're about, and responded to the fans' displeasure without a hint of humility. So with that, I will not waste my time watching their meaningless product.

papz · 01-15-2018, 09:29 AM

You have some incredible will power my friend. Props to you for sticking to your guns. If you're looking for a fantasy baseball league when the season comes around, send me a message... we're always looking for a good player or two.

saintsfan1976 · 01-15-2018, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

So did I. I did read box scores, out of boredom, on Sunday afternoon's, and saw the occasional highlight. But I don't watch games or listen to them. As the season wore on it became something I missed less and less.

I have my criteria of what it would take for the NFL to win me back, but I am not holding my breath on it happening. They showed what they're about, and responded to the fans' displeasure without a hint of humility. So with that, I will not waste my time watching their meaningless product.

But you’ll waste our time with you own virtuous opinion. Oh look at me - I’m so strong - I don’t watch the games, I just come here to point fingers and tell others how bad the Saints are....

burningmetal · 01-15-2018, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

But you’ll waste our time with you own virtuous opinion. Oh look at me - I’m so strong - I don’t watch the games, I just come here to point fingers and tell others how bad the Saints are....

Nothing virtuous about my posts. I didn't mention anyone in here who isn't boycotting, and didn't bash anybody. You, on the other hand, seem to believe that being a fan above all other principles is virtuous, and you also believe that other fans can't be frustrated after a painful loss. We're all entitled to opinions. Disagree if you will. But the whole "you should never come back" that you said to someone in another thread, and now your comment to me, is where I take exception.

My opinion on the Saints is honest. I don't watch games, but I am aware of what is going on. I see sportscenter, I've seen highlights, I know the Saints players tendencies after years of watching many of them (did you think I forgot everything that quickly?). I also remember watching the Saints play the Vikings before my boycott began. I gave some thoughts on this matchup earlier in the week, and it looks like I wasn't exactly off base. Does that mean the Saints suck? No, that was your word that you tried to put in my mouth.

If you want to trash my take on what I've said, maybe you could tell me where I was proven wrong, and then we can have an adult conversation.

saintsfan1976 · 01-15-2018, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Nothing virtuous about my posts. I didn't mention anyone in here who isn't boycotting, and didn't bash anybody. You, on the other hand, seem to believe that being a fan above all other principles is virtuous, and you also believe that other fans can't be frustrated after a painful loss. We're all entitled to opinions. Disagree if you will. But the whole "you should never come back" that you said to someone in another thread, and now your comment to me, is where I take exception.

My opinion on the Saints is honest. I don't watch games, but I am aware of what is going on. I see sportscenter, I've seen highlights, I know the Saints players tendencies after years of watching many of them (did you think I forgot everything that quickly?). I also remember watching the Saints play the Vikings before my boycott began. I gave some thoughts on this matchup earlier in the week, and it looks like I wasn't exactly off base. Does that mean the Saints suck? No, that was your word that you tried to put in my mouth.

If you want to trash my take on what I've said, maybe you could tell me where I was proven wrong, and then we can have an adult conversation.

No I get it now. Your Saints boycott was so important you couldn’t resist reminding everyone on a SAINTS FORUM that you were still boycotting. But you won’t boycott from sharing your views on how poorly they play. Boy are we suckers for watching the Saints. Man I’m so glad you’re around to remind us all just how much better you are.

burningmetal · 01-15-2018, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

No I get it now. Your Saints boycott was so important you couldn’t resist reminding everyone on a SAINTS FORUM that you were still boycotting. But you won’t boycott from sharing your views on how poorly they play. Boy are we suckers for watching the Saints. Man I’m so glad you’re around to remind us all just how much better you are.

You are really a pretty sad individual. I've gone back and forth with you in two threads, and you keep repeating the same lies. Not ONCE did I say I was better than anyone. I gave my opinion because of the subject of the OP (of which, I already stated in the other thread).

And also, as I have said to you multiple times, I didn't come in here to tell you how bad the Saints suck, or how poorly they played. Why are you making that up? Because it makes you feel better? Could it be *gasp* that you think YOU are superior to me? I don't much care to compare morals, virtues, or opinion eligibility with you. If I have an opinion, I'm going to state it. I wasn't wrong about my take on this matchup, and I never said anything other than pointing out weaknesses and where I thought it would be a problem.

If you're too insecure to handle that, this conversation is over.

saintsfan1976 · 01-15-2018, 11:09 AM

Name call all you want chief. It won’t bother me. If you were actually boycotting instead of pretending to boycott you wouldn’t be here. Shoot, I’ll bet you watched the entire game yesterday didn’t you!!

jlaw8920 · 01-15-2018, 11:10 AM

Live your life the way you want to, but why even come here to comment if you're not watching the games or keeping track of scores?

That's like me getting on a forum for a school I don't go to, just to tell them I don't go to that school.

01-15-2018, 08:27 AM	#1
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	I held firm - an open letter Following the Lions game, I didn't watch any Saints or NFL games this year. Barely even saw a highlight or two. Didn't even look at box scores. Because of reasons posted in my blog - http://blackandgold.com/blogs/neugey...aints-nfl.html - and many others, Goodell being a big one. Yesterday during the Vikings/Saints game I listened to some music on Spotify, did some car repairs, did some chores, played a few video games. I looked at the Saints/Vikings final score after the fact and quickly read about the final play. At my daughter's insistence I did watch the replay of it. What a terrible tackle by Williams! I have no plans of watching the conference championship games or the Super Bowl. I'll find something else to do. Maybe I missed some good football but I also missed out on a lot of nonsense - prima donna factions of players, easy instant replays that take 3-5 minutes when they should take less than a minute, excessive and bad commercials, flags left and right, etc. Who knows what else. I don't regret it. I got to watch those last two Georgia Bulldogs games which each were bonafide classics. If my friends and family had a great time watching the game yesterday then I'm happy for them. So the glass feels half-full for me. I still feel fairly burned out by the NFL - not just by the issues in my blog but just the entirety of it. Still about 90% burned out. After this long off-season, I guess we will see if it persists and then I'll make a decision in August. Right now I am looking forward to more Lakers games, MLB and fantasy baseball and Wimbledon and US Open mainly. I suppose the recent surge of exciting NFL games is an indication that the football gods are trying to correct for Goodell's eff ups. If the players would drop this SJW phase and stand up to Goodell with a long and hard strike for the right reasons, that could earn some trust back. It is really up to the players and coaches - ultimately they provide the product and the entertainment. They are going to have to start going to bat for themselves, the fans and the integrity of the game - for the long-term good of the game. Because ultimately they aren't on a knee for police brutality, they are on bended knee for Goodell.

01-15-2018, 08:50 AM	#2
saintshrimp 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houma,LA. Posts: 695	Re: I held firm - an open letter Hey good for you.Thats the choice you made enjoy your other activities. nola_swammi and K Major like this.

01-15-2018, 09:10 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I held firm - an open letter So did I. I did read box scores, out of boredom, on Sunday afternoon's, and saw the occasional highlight. But I don't watch games or listen to them. As the season wore on it became something I missed less and less. I have my criteria of what it would take for the NFL to win me back, but I am not holding my breath on it happening. They showed what they're about, and responded to the fans' displeasure without a hint of humility. So with that, I will not waste my time watching their meaningless product. neugey likes this.

01-15-2018, 09:29 AM	#4
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: I held firm - an open letter You have some incredible will power my friend. Props to you for sticking to your guns. If you're looking for a fantasy baseball league when the season comes around, send me a message... we're always looking for a good player or two. Halo and neugey like this.

01-15-2018, 10:24 AM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I held firm - an open letter Originally Posted by burningmetal So did I. I did read box scores, out of boredom, on Sunday afternoon's, and saw the occasional highlight. But I don't watch games or listen to them. As the season wore on it became something I missed less and less. I have my criteria of what it would take for the NFL to win me back, but I am not holding my breath on it happening. They showed what they're about, and responded to the fans' displeasure without a hint of humility. So with that, I will not waste my time watching their meaningless product. But you’ll waste our time with you own virtuous opinion. Oh look at me - I’m so strong - I don’t watch the games, I just come here to point fingers and tell others how bad the Saints are.... nola_swammi, The Dude and CharityMike like this.

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01-15-2018, 10:36 AM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I held firm - an open letter Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 But you’ll waste our time with you own virtuous opinion. Oh look at me - I’m so strong - I don’t watch the games, I just come here to point fingers and tell others how bad the Saints are.... Nothing virtuous about my posts. I didn't mention anyone in here who isn't boycotting, and didn't bash anybody. You, on the other hand, seem to believe that being a fan above all other principles is virtuous, and you also believe that other fans can't be frustrated after a painful loss. We're all entitled to opinions. Disagree if you will. But the whole "you should never come back" that you said to someone in another thread, and now your comment to me, is where I take exception. My opinion on the Saints is honest. I don't watch games, but I am aware of what is going on. I see sportscenter, I've seen highlights, I know the Saints players tendencies after years of watching many of them (did you think I forgot everything that quickly?). I also remember watching the Saints play the Vikings before my boycott began. I gave some thoughts on this matchup earlier in the week, and it looks like I wasn't exactly off base. Does that mean the Saints suck? No, that was your word that you tried to put in my mouth. If you want to trash my take on what I've said, maybe you could tell me where I was proven wrong, and then we can have an adult conversation.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-15-2018, 10:54 AM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I held firm - an open letter Originally Posted by burningmetal Nothing virtuous about my posts. I didn't mention anyone in here who isn't boycotting, and didn't bash anybody. You, on the other hand, seem to believe that being a fan above all other principles is virtuous, and you also believe that other fans can't be frustrated after a painful loss. We're all entitled to opinions. Disagree if you will. But the whole "you should never come back" that you said to someone in another thread, and now your comment to me, is where I take exception. My opinion on the Saints is honest. I don't watch games, but I am aware of what is going on. I see sportscenter, I've seen highlights, I know the Saints players tendencies after years of watching many of them (did you think I forgot everything that quickly?). I also remember watching the Saints play the Vikings before my boycott began. I gave some thoughts on this matchup earlier in the week, and it looks like I wasn't exactly off base. Does that mean the Saints suck? No, that was your word that you tried to put in my mouth. If you want to trash my take on what I've said, maybe you could tell me where I was proven wrong, and then we can have an adult conversation. No I get it now. Your Saints boycott was so important you couldn’t resist reminding everyone on a SAINTS FORUM that you were still boycotting. But you won’t boycott from sharing your views on how poorly they play. Boy are we suckers for watching the Saints. Man I’m so glad you’re around to remind us all just how much better you are.

01-15-2018, 11:03 AM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I held firm - an open letter Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 No I get it now. Your Saints boycott was so important you couldn’t resist reminding everyone on a SAINTS FORUM that you were still boycotting. But you won’t boycott from sharing your views on how poorly they play. Boy are we suckers for watching the Saints. Man I’m so glad you’re around to remind us all just how much better you are. You are really a pretty sad individual. I've gone back and forth with you in two threads, and you keep repeating the same lies. Not ONCE did I say I was better than anyone. I gave my opinion because of the subject of the OP (of which, I already stated in the other thread). And also, as I have said to you multiple times, I didn't come in here to tell you how bad the Saints suck, or how poorly they played. Why are you making that up? Because it makes you feel better? Could it be gasp that you think YOU are superior to me? I don't much care to compare morals, virtues, or opinion eligibility with you. If I have an opinion, I'm going to state it. I wasn't wrong about my take on this matchup, and I never said anything other than pointing out weaknesses and where I thought it would be a problem. If you're too insecure to handle that, this conversation is over.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-15-2018, 11:09 AM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I held firm - an open letter Name call all you want chief. It won’t bother me. If you were actually boycotting instead of pretending to boycott you wouldn’t be here. Shoot, I’ll bet you watched the entire game yesterday didn’t you!!

01-15-2018, 11:10 AM	#10
jlaw8920 100th Post Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 123	Re: I held firm - an open letter Live your life the way you want to, but why even come here to comment if you're not watching the games or keeping track of scores? That's like me getting on a forum for a school I don't go to, just to tell them I don't go to that school. nola_swammi, Rsanders24, saintsfan1976 and 1 others like this.
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