Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent

jeanpierre · 02-07-2018, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Bree's is going to have to take a pay cut.

Just how bad does he want another ring before he has to hang it up???

Brees is not taking a pay cut, nor should he so long as he's producing as he is...

I'd agree with being cautious in guaranteed money, and I don't think Brees would have a problem with it...

He's a competitor and he's not going to hurt the team - it's not in Drew Brees' nature...

There's is obvious decline in his throwing strength, but his game moxie, saavy is still elite...

If he's among the league best, you should pay for what you get...

Audiotom · 02-07-2018, 02:32 PM

Keep Kelemete - he has been a key element of our line

pay the man

AsylumGuido · 02-07-2018, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Bree's is going to have to take a pay cut.

Just how bad does he want another ring before he has to hang it up???

According to whom? Why would he HAVE to take a pay cut?

Papa Voodoo · 02-07-2018, 03:19 PM

Unger couldn't stay healthy and has been a rock for us. Armstead is devastating on outside runs and screens.

jeanpierre · 02-07-2018, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Unger couldn't stay healthy and has been a rock for us. Armstead is devastating on outside runs and screens.

Buffalo game and...anyone? How many games has he been unavailable the last two seasons alone?

Give me a rock for a minimum of 14 games and I'll take slightly less in athleticism as Brees & this O will compensate...

Crusader · 02-07-2018, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

No, you keep Andrus at GUARD. Pre injury, he's been dominant there. It's like doing double damage to do this (shuffle to LT) & weakens the position every time they slide Peat over.

Keep Peat at guard.

You are right. JP are wrong.

K Major · 02-07-2018, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

We had an elite offense with Peat - Kelemete - Unger - Warford - Ramczyk. Why not save cap room and set the line up for the next three, four years NOW?

And with the cap room we can sign needed depth for both the offensive line and front seven of the defense; you and I've beat the drum for the front seven ad nauseum...

Plus, by giving Kelemete this opportunity, you to keep him at a friendly cap number & you send msg when you work hard as he has, you'll get rewarded in New Orleans...[/B]

Having Peat @ T ... meh. Andrus has become a true IMPACT player at guard. I trust the Saints front office will locate another (see Warford) "youngish" right tackle in FA. And you don't have to pay top dollar to get another solid Warford type - impact.

I'm all on board for bringing back Kelemente. Reality is that a team with worse O line issues may offer Senio ridiculous money that we can't match. You still have #9, Okafor, Coleman, possibly Vacarro

and a host of others that you have to pay.

Saints have coaches who know how to develop O linemen. We'll be fine.

The Dude · 02-07-2018, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Kelemete is gonna want a legitimate opportunity to start and make starter's money...

That's not going to happen with the investment in the current lineup of Armstead ($13.5m) - Peat ($3.62m, 4th year rookie contract, 1R option) - Unger ($8m) - Warford ($9m) - Ramczyk ($2m)...

What I'd like to see is Armstead traded to someone like the Colts or Jets for a high second round pick, restructuring his deal to limit the dead cap money or just designate the trade post 6/1 and take the one time $3.2m dead money hit...

Move Peat to LT, his natural position, find out if he's the real deal or not and you still have the last year of his rookie contract, plus you've got an add'l option year on him if he works out and you need time to make a happy for him & happy for team contract...

You can then sign Kelemete as the LG and commit a $4-5mil/annum contract incentivized with All-Pro et al bonuses...

Then you can draft as many as three offensive linemen to come in and learn, compete, and push the veterans and if one happens to stand out and win the job from Kelemete, then you still have a modest base contract for one of the better swing offensive linemen in the league...

This. Armstead isn’t getting any better. Put kelemente in on spot and play him every down and he will continue to develop. Armstead is only good for half a season anyway.

02-07-2018, 02:32 PM	#11
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Originally Posted by Euphoria Bree's is going to have to take a pay cut. Just how bad does he want another ring before he has to hang it up??? Brees is not taking a pay cut, nor should he so long as he's producing as he is... I'd agree with being cautious in guaranteed money, and I don't think Brees would have a problem with it... He's a competitor and he's not going to hurt the team - it's not in Drew Brees' nature... There's is obvious decline in his throwing strength, but his game moxie, saavy is still elite... If he's among the league best, you should pay for what you get...
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Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Keep Kelemete - he has been a key element of our line pay the man jeanpierre likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Originally Posted by Euphoria Bree's is going to have to take a pay cut. Just how bad does he want another ring before he has to hang it up??? According to whom? Why would he HAVE to take a pay cut?

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Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Unger couldn't stay healthy and has been a rock for us. Armstead is devastating on outside runs and screens. Rsanders24 likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Unger couldn't stay healthy and has been a rock for us. Armstead is devastating on outside runs and screens. Buffalo game and...anyone? How many games has he been unavailable the last two seasons alone? Give me a rock for a minimum of 14 games and I'll take slightly less in athleticism as Brees & this O will compensate...

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Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Originally Posted by K Major No, you keep Andrus at GUARD. Pre injury, he's been dominant there. It's like doing double damage to do this (shuffle to LT) & weakens the position every time they slide Peat over. Keep Peat at guard. You are right. JP are wrong.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Originally Posted by jeanpierre We had an elite offense with Peat - Kelemete - Unger - Warford - Ramczyk. Why not save cap room and set the line up for the next three, four years NOW? And with the cap room we can sign needed depth for both the offensive line and front seven of the defense; you and I've beat the drum for the front seven ad nauseum... Plus, by giving Kelemete this opportunity, you to keep him at a friendly cap number & you send msg when you work hard as he has, you'll get rewarded in New Orleans...[/B] Having Peat @ T ... meh. Andrus has become a true IMPACT player at guard. I trust the Saints front office will locate another (see Warford) "youngish" right tackle in FA. And you don't have to pay top dollar to get another solid Warford type - impact. I'm all on board for bringing back Kelemente. Reality is that a team with worse O line issues may offer Senio ridiculous money that we can't match. You still have #9, Okafor, Coleman, possibly Vacarro and a host of others that you have to pay. Saints have coaches who know how to develop O linemen. We'll be fine.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Originally Posted by jeanpierre Kelemete is gonna want a legitimate opportunity to start and make starter's money... That's not going to happen with the investment in the current lineup of Armstead ($13.5m) - Peat ($3.62m, 4th year rookie contract, 1R option) - Unger ($8m) - Warford ($9m) - Ramczyk ($2m)... What I'd like to see is Armstead traded to someone like the Colts or Jets for a high second round pick, restructuring his deal to limit the dead cap money or just designate the trade post 6/1 and take the one time $3.2m dead money hit... Move Peat to LT, his natural position, find out if he's the real deal or not and you still have the last year of his rookie contract, plus you've got an add'l option year on him if he works out and you need time to make a happy for him & happy for team contract... You can then sign Kelemete as the LG and commit a $4-5mil/annum contract incentivized with All-Pro et al bonuses... Then you can draft as many as three offensive linemen to come in and learn, compete, and push the veterans and if one happens to stand out and win the job from Kelemete, then you still have a modest base contract for one of the better swing offensive linemen in the league... This. Armstead isn’t getting any better. Put kelemente in on spot and play him every down and he will continue to develop. Armstead is only good for half a season anyway.
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