Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent

K Major · 02-07-2018, 08:35 AM

If the NFL had a “sixth man” of the year award ... well, it would go to Nick Foles or Case Keenum. The quarterbacks get all the love.

But if they had an “underappreciated sixth man” award, it might go to New Orleans Saints offensive lineman Senio Kelemete.

Full story:Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent - New Orleans Saints Blog- ESPN

saintfan · 02-07-2018, 09:30 AM

We gotta figure a way to keep this guy.

ChrisXVI · 02-07-2018, 10:14 AM

Kelemete saved our butts so many times this season. How do you calculate his value though when it comes to a new contract? His expiring deal was 2 yr/$2.7 million.

foreverfan · 02-07-2018, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

We gotta figure a way to keep this guy.

The usual way is to pay him.

jeanpierre · 02-07-2018, 11:23 AM

Kelemete is gonna want a legitimate opportunity to start and make starter's money...

That's not going to happen with the investment in the current lineup of Armstead ($13.5m) - Peat ($3.62m, 4th year rookie contract, 1R option) - Unger ($8m) - Warford ($9m) - Ramczyk ($2m)...

What I'd like to see is Armstead traded to someone like the Colts or Jets for a high second round pick, restructuring his deal to limit the dead cap money or just designate the trade post 6/1 and take the one time $3.2m dead money hit...

Move Peat to LT, his natural position, find out if he's the real deal or not and you still have the last year of his rookie contract, plus you've got an add'l option year on him if he works out and you need time to make a happy for him & happy for team contract...

You can then sign Kelemete as the LG and commit a $4-5mil/annum contract incentivized with All-Pro et al bonuses...

Then you can draft as many as three offensive linemen to come in and learn, compete, and push the veterans and if one happens to stand out and win the job from Kelemete, then you still have a modest base contract for one of the better swing offensive linemen in the league...

K Major · 02-07-2018, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Move Peat to LT, his natural position, find out if he's the real deal or not and you still have the last year of his rookie contract, plus you've got an add'l option year on him if he works out and you need time to make a happy for him & happy for team contract...

No, you keep Andrus at GUARD. Pre injury, he's been dominant there. It's like doing double damage to do this (shuffle to LT) & weakens the position every time they slide Peat over.

Keep Peat at guard.

jeanpierre · 02-07-2018, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

No, you keep Andrus at GUARD. Pre injury, he's been dominant there. It's like doing double damage to do this (shuffle to LT) & weakens the position every time they slide Peat over.

Keep Peat at guard.

How many games did Peat have to finish at LT? How many games was Peat a starter because Armstead was a late scratch, unavailable? It's a problem.

We had an elite offense with Peat - Kelemete - Unger - Warford - Ramczyk. Why not save cap room and set the line up for the next three, four years NOW?

And with the cap room we can sign needed depth for both the offensive line and front seven of the defense; you and I've beat the drum for the front seven ad nauseum...

Plus, by giving Kelemete this opportunity, you to keep him at a friendly cap number & you send msg when you work hard as he has, you'll get rewarded in New Orleans...

K Major · 02-07-2018, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

We had an elite offense with Peat - Kelemete - Unger - Warford - Ramczyk. Why not save cap room and set the line up for the next three, four years NOW?

And with the cap room we can sign needed depth for both the offensive line and front seven of the defense; you and I've beat the drum for the front seven ad nauseum...

Plus, by giving Kelemete this opportunity, you to keep him at a friendly cap number & you send msg when you work hard as he has, you'll get rewarded in New Orleans...[/B]

Having Peat @ T ... meh. Andrus has become a true IMPACT player at guard. I trust the Saints front office will locate another (see Warford) "youngish" right tackle in FA. And you don't have to pay top dollar to get another solid Warford type - impact.

I'm all on board for bringing back Kelemente. Reality is that a team with worse O line issues may offer Senio ridiculous money that we can't match. You still have #9, Okafor, Coleman, possibly Vacarro

and a host of others that you have to pay.

Saints have coaches who know how to develop O linemen. We'll be fine.

Crusader · 02-07-2018, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

No, you keep Andrus at GUARD. Pre injury, he's been dominant there. It's like doing double damage to do this (shuffle to LT) & weakens the position every time they slide Peat over.

Keep Peat at guard.

You are right. JP are wrong.

The Dude · 02-07-2018, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Kelemete is gonna want a legitimate opportunity to start and make starter's money...

That's not going to happen with the investment in the current lineup of Armstead ($13.5m) - Peat ($3.62m, 4th year rookie contract, 1R option) - Unger ($8m) - Warford ($9m) - Ramczyk ($2m)...

What I'd like to see is Armstead traded to someone like the Colts or Jets for a high second round pick, restructuring his deal to limit the dead cap money or just designate the trade post 6/1 and take the one time $3.2m dead money hit...

Move Peat to LT, his natural position, find out if he's the real deal or not and you still have the last year of his rookie contract, plus you've got an add'l option year on him if he works out and you need time to make a happy for him & happy for team contract...

You can then sign Kelemete as the LG and commit a $4-5mil/annum contract incentivized with All-Pro et al bonuses...

Then you can draft as many as three offensive linemen to come in and learn, compete, and push the veterans and if one happens to stand out and win the job from Kelemete, then you still have a modest base contract for one of the better swing offensive linemen in the league...

This. Armstead isn’t getting any better. Put kelemente in on spot and play him every down and he will continue to develop. Armstead is only good for half a season anyway.

02-07-2018, 08:35 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent If the NFL had a “sixth man” of the year award ... well, it would go to Nick Foles or Case Keenum. The quarterbacks get all the love. But if they had an “underappreciated sixth man” award, it might go to New Orleans Saints offensive lineman Senio Kelemete. Full story:Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent - New Orleans Saints Blog- ESPN

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent We gotta figure a way to keep this guy. jnormand likes this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Kelemete saved our butts so many times this season. How do you calculate his value though when it comes to a new contract? His expiring deal was 2 yr/$2.7 million.

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foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Originally Posted by saintfan We gotta figure a way to keep this guy. The usual way is to pay him. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Kelemete is gonna want a legitimate opportunity to start and make starter's money... That's not going to happen with the investment in the current lineup of Armstead ($13.5m) - Peat ($3.62m, 4th year rookie contract, 1R option) - Unger ($8m) - Warford ($9m) - Ramczyk ($2m)... What I'd like to see is Armstead traded to someone like the Colts or Jets for a high second round pick, restructuring his deal to limit the dead cap money or just designate the trade post 6/1 and take the one time $3.2m dead money hit... Move Peat to LT, his natural position, find out if he's the real deal or not and you still have the last year of his rookie contract, plus you've got an add'l option year on him if he works out and you need time to make a happy for him & happy for team contract... You can then sign Kelemete as the LG and commit a $4-5mil/annum contract incentivized with All-Pro et al bonuses... Then you can draft as many as three offensive linemen to come in and learn, compete, and push the veterans and if one happens to stand out and win the job from Kelemete, then you still have a modest base contract for one of the better swing offensive linemen in the league... rezburna likes this.
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02-07-2018, 12:00 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Originally Posted by jeanpierre Move Peat to LT, his natural position, find out if he's the real deal or not and you still have the last year of his rookie contract, plus you've got an add'l option year on him if he works out and you need time to make a happy for him & happy for team contract... No, you keep Andrus at GUARD. Pre injury, he's been dominant there. It's like doing double damage to do this (shuffle to LT) & weakens the position every time they slide Peat over. Keep Peat at guard. jnormand, Rsanders24, Crusader and 1 others like this.

02-07-2018, 01:27 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Originally Posted by K Major No, you keep Andrus at GUARD. Pre injury, he's been dominant there. It's like doing double damage to do this (shuffle to LT) & weakens the position every time they slide Peat over. Keep Peat at guard. How many games did Peat have to finish at LT? How many games was Peat a starter because Armstead was a late scratch, unavailable? It's a problem. We had an elite offense with Peat - Kelemete - Unger - Warford - Ramczyk. Why not save cap room and set the line up for the next three, four years NOW? And with the cap room we can sign needed depth for both the offensive line and front seven of the defense; you and I've beat the drum for the front seven ad nauseum... Plus, by giving Kelemete this opportunity, you to keep him at a friendly cap number & you send msg when you work hard as he has, you'll get rewarded in New Orleans... Audiotom likes this.
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02-07-2018, 03:04 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Originally Posted by jeanpierre We had an elite offense with Peat - Kelemete - Unger - Warford - Ramczyk. Why not save cap room and set the line up for the next three, four years NOW? And with the cap room we can sign needed depth for both the offensive line and front seven of the defense; you and I've beat the drum for the front seven ad nauseum... Plus, by giving Kelemete this opportunity, you to keep him at a friendly cap number & you send msg when you work hard as he has, you'll get rewarded in New Orleans...[/B] Having Peat @ T ... meh. Andrus has become a true IMPACT player at guard. I trust the Saints front office will locate another (see Warford) "youngish" right tackle in FA. And you don't have to pay top dollar to get another solid Warford type - impact. I'm all on board for bringing back Kelemente. Reality is that a team with worse O line issues may offer Senio ridiculous money that we can't match. You still have #9, Okafor, Coleman, possibly Vacarro and a host of others that you have to pay. Saints have coaches who know how to develop O linemen. We'll be fine.

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Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,030	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Originally Posted by K Major No, you keep Andrus at GUARD. Pre injury, he's been dominant there. It's like doing double damage to do this (shuffle to LT) & weakens the position every time they slide Peat over. Keep Peat at guard. You are right. JP are wrong.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Saints could lose invaluable 'sixth man' Senio Kelemete as free agent Originally Posted by jeanpierre Kelemete is gonna want a legitimate opportunity to start and make starter's money... That's not going to happen with the investment in the current lineup of Armstead ($13.5m) - Peat ($3.62m, 4th year rookie contract, 1R option) - Unger ($8m) - Warford ($9m) - Ramczyk ($2m)... What I'd like to see is Armstead traded to someone like the Colts or Jets for a high second round pick, restructuring his deal to limit the dead cap money or just designate the trade post 6/1 and take the one time $3.2m dead money hit... Move Peat to LT, his natural position, find out if he's the real deal or not and you still have the last year of his rookie contract, plus you've got an add'l option year on him if he works out and you need time to make a happy for him & happy for team contract... You can then sign Kelemete as the LG and commit a $4-5mil/annum contract incentivized with All-Pro et al bonuses... Then you can draft as many as three offensive linemen to come in and learn, compete, and push the veterans and if one happens to stand out and win the job from Kelemete, then you still have a modest base contract for one of the better swing offensive linemen in the league... This. Armstead isn’t getting any better. Put kelemente in on spot and play him every down and he will continue to develop. Armstead is only good for half a season anyway.
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