Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better

02-09-2018, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Why?

Kenny will make one or two tackles at the line while in the box, most will spin it as a "good game". Then many will forget the 3-4 passes he gives up or the pass int in the same game. PFF rates him as CB because he plays so much slot & ranked as low as #116th. He's been a bad safety in zone.

As you state, you would like him to play LB/SS hybrid and this has been his only area that he excels (close to the line). Do you think the Saints will really want to pay TOP DOLLAR to do just that?

IMO, that money should be spent else where.

If he wants top dollar let him walk. He’s good, not great. When he is playing up near the line it makes me remember his rookie year. Being the #3 safety on the field released some of the pressure I’m sure. Would love to see him back in that role.

nola_swammi · 02-09-2018, 06:28 AM

I remember when people was ready to give up on Crawley after his rookie year. Why give up on P.J.after his 1st full season? I truly believe his skill levels are the same as Malcolm but with more recovery speed.

Breaux, can you actually blame him for being injured? Remember Oschner doctors couldn't even diagnose a broken leg. To reach in the piggy bank for Malcolm will be a huge mistake, if anything go after Eric Reid or Navorro Bowman

K Major · 02-09-2018, 09:28 AM

Maybe Arthur Maulet steps up this season.

saintsfan1976 · 02-09-2018, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

'76, What would you upgrade? Bell? Not a bad group of starters as they are now...

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 24 - Sterling Moore (Free Agent)

SS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 31 - Chris Banjo, 34 - Justin Hardee

FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams, 25 - Rafael Bush (Free Agent)

LCB (3) 20 - Ken Crawley, 26 - P.J. Williams, 37 - Arthur Maulet

We run a lot of 3 safety. I see two young starters and one is inconsistent.

PJ is very average in the slot and certainty not a guy I trust on the outside.

Remember what our secondary looked like when Lattimore went down?

nola_swammi · 02-09-2018, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Maybe Arthur Maulet steps up this season.

Maybe Justin Hardee step up. Paying Malcolm big money will most definitely limit those two opportunity getting on the field. Remember, after a exceptional OTA, Crawley opportunities only came after Breaux injury, Harris ineffective, Moore being cut, and 2 horrific loses.

K Major · 02-09-2018, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Maybe Justin Hardee step up.

I hope the Saints continue to develop Hardee.

Rugby Saint II · 02-09-2018, 03:38 PM

We need a slot corner. KV is not the answer there. He is limited in what he can do and I don't want to pay him starter money when his value is less than that to me.

jeanpierre · 02-09-2018, 07:12 PM

His big flaw is that he doesn't tackle well with others...

jeanpierre · 02-12-2018, 06:21 AM

The more I research cornerbacks in Free Agency, the more I keep coming across Jaguars CB Aaron Colvin as solution to our slot cornerback...

jeanpierre · 02-12-2018, 08:48 AM

I see no Strong Safeties available in Free Agency this season that'll be worth the money...

It'll fall to Kenny V deciding to stay with a home-town discount or rolling with Vonn Bell and a draft selection...

02-09-2018, 01:23 AM	#11
Threaded by voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by K Major Why? Kenny will make one or two tackles at the line while in the box, most will spin it as a "good game". Then many will forget the 3-4 passes he gives up or the pass int in the same game. PFF rates him as CB because he plays so much slot & ranked as low as #116th. He's been a bad safety in zone. As you state, you would like him to play LB/SS hybrid and this has been his only area that he excels (close to the line). Do you think the Saints will really want to pay TOP DOLLAR to do just that? IMO, that money should be spent else where. If he wants top dollar let him walk. He’s good, not great. When he is playing up near the line it makes me remember his rookie year. Being the #3 safety on the field released some of the pressure I’m sure. Would love to see him back in that role.
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02-09-2018, 06:28 AM	#12
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better I remember when people was ready to give up on Crawley after his rookie year. Why give up on P.J.after his 1st full season? I truly believe his skill levels are the same as Malcolm but with more recovery speed. Breaux, can you actually blame him for being injured? Remember Oschner doctors couldn't even diagnose a broken leg. To reach in the piggy bank for Malcolm will be a huge mistake, if anything go after Eric Reid or Navorro Bowman

02-09-2018, 09:28 AM	#13
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better Maybe Arthur Maulet steps up this season. nola_swammi likes this.

02-09-2018, 02:19 PM	#14
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better Originally Posted by jeanpierre '76, What would you upgrade? Bell? Not a bad group of starters as they are now... RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, *24 - Sterling Moore (Free Agent)* SS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 31 - Chris Banjo, 34 - Justin Hardee FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams, *25 - Rafael Bush (Free Agent)* LCB (3) 20 - Ken Crawley, 26 - P.J. Williams, 37 - Arthur Maulet We run a lot of 3 safety. I see two young starters and one is inconsistent. PJ is very average in the slot and certainty not a guy I trust on the outside. Remember what our secondary looked like when Lattimore went down? jeanpierre likes this.

02-09-2018, 02:26 PM	#15
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better Originally Posted by K Major Maybe Arthur Maulet steps up this season. Maybe Justin Hardee step up. Paying Malcolm big money will most definitely limit those two opportunity getting on the field. Remember, after a exceptional OTA, Crawley opportunities only came after Breaux injury, Harris ineffective, Moore being cut, and 2 horrific loses. K Major likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better Originally Posted by nola_swammi Maybe Justin Hardee step up. I hope the Saints continue to develop Hardee. jeanpierre likes this.

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