Saints Could Trade For Dolphins WR Jarvis Landry

K Major · 03-08-2018, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I can' imagine why any Saints fan would not want Jarvis Landry, as long as he doesn't cost you too many assets. He probably has the best hands in the league and while he isn't a burner, he has a lot more open field quickness than Thomas. He's played in a bad offense. I guarantee he'd blow it up with an actual NFL QB.

I don't believe the Saints have a reliable weapon at receiver other than Thomas, so why the heck should Thomas object?

What I'm starting to gather is that a lot of folks want us to somehow win a Championship using coupons.

burningmetal · 03-08-2018, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

What I'm starting to gather is that a lot of folks want us to somehow win a Championship using coupons.

Yeah, there has to be a limit for how much you pay, or how much you give up for one player. But you don't get anything for free. What I'm reading in this thread is some people seem to think Landry isn't worth giving up much of anything, and that he isn't a need for the team. I just don't get that.

You can plug in guys all day long, but that's all most of them will be... plugs. Jarvis Landry's don't grow on trees. I don't know, someone will probably criticize me for commenting on the Saints, but some of what I read just made me scratch my head.

NonieT · 03-08-2018, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Yeah, there has to be a limit for how much you pay, or how much you give up for one player. But you don't get anything for free. What I'm reading in this thread is some people seem to think Landry isn't worth giving up much of anything, and that he isn't a need for the team. I just don't get that.

You can plug in guys all day long, but that's all most of them will be... plugs. Jarvis Landry's don't grow on trees. I don't know, someone will probably criticize me for commenting on the Saints, but some of what I read just made me scratch my head.

They come from the same place he came from, the draft.

burningmetal · 03-08-2018, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

They come from the same place he came from, the draft.

And they're all as good as him? Wow, everyone should go draft Jerry Rice and Joe Montana because, apparently, all you have to do is draft someone, and the rest is history.

How about a known commodity? Wouldn't you want that? If not, please explain why. The draft is always there, and you do what you can with it. But when you can get established players without breaking the bank or selling the farm, it's a good idea to take advantage of that.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-08-2018, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

How about a known commodity? Wouldn't you want that? If not, please explain why. The draft is always there, and you do what you can with it. But when you can get established players without breaking the bank or selling the farm, it's a good idea to take advantage of that.

This is of course the quandry. Good established players are going to cost treasure in either dollars, personnel/picks, or both.

Draft picks on 5 year contracts are the only premium talent that doesn't break the bank. If you're not spending a ton of money, of giving up significant draft picks, then it's probably not premium talent.

SFIAH

burningmetal · 03-08-2018, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

This is of course the quandry. Good established players are going to cost treasure in either dollars, personnel/picks, or both.

Draft picks on 5 year contracts are the only premium talent that doesn't break the bank. If you're not spending a ton of money, of giving up significant draft picks, then it's probably not premium talent.

SFIAH

When you have a guy who doesn't have much left on his contract (franchise tag, in this case), you don't have as much leverage to get much for him. It would be something fairly significant, but it wouldn't likely involve multiple high draft choices. Maybe one first or second round pick, and possibly a third rounder added in.

The whole point of the Dolphins giving him the tag and then looking to deal him, is so that he doesn't just walk out on them for nothing. But given the high cost of the tag, I don't see the Dolphins being able to get a kings ransom in return.

If you're the Saints, or any other team, it's all about how much money you want to spend in a long term deal. And if you aren't willing to spend on a proven commodity, why be willing to draft a player in hopes that he MIGHT work out? And if the draft pick does work out, at some point you have to pay him. Building through the draft is essential to long term success, but you can't count on "hitting" on a high percentage of your draft picks every year. Given that Landry is also still young, he seems like a good gamble.

Also, the consensus among Saints fans seems to be that everything has to be done in Drew Brees' window. So if you have a decent foundation, it's time to expedite the process. Within reason, though. Landry seems like he would be a reasonable fit, to me. IF some team is willing to give the Dolphins a huge return, then that's their problem. My guess is that the market will pass on their initial demands, and that's when a negotiation could make sense for a team like the Saints.

03-08-2018, 03:45 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Could Trade For Dolphins WR Jarvis Landry Originally Posted by burningmetal I can' imagine why any Saints fan would not want Jarvis Landry, as long as he doesn't cost you too many assets. He probably has the best hands in the league and while he isn't a burner, he has a lot more open field quickness than Thomas. He's played in a bad offense. I guarantee he'd blow it up with an actual NFL QB. I don't believe the Saints have a reliable weapon at receiver other than Thomas, so why the heck should Thomas object? What I'm starting to gather is that a lot of folks want us to somehow win a Championship using coupons.

03-08-2018, 04:15 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Could Trade For Dolphins WR Jarvis Landry Originally Posted by K Major What I'm starting to gather is that a lot of folks want us to somehow win a Championship using coupons. Yeah, there has to be a limit for how much you pay, or how much you give up for one player. But you don't get anything for free. What I'm reading in this thread is some people seem to think Landry isn't worth giving up much of anything, and that he isn't a need for the team. I just don't get that. You can plug in guys all day long, but that's all most of them will be... plugs. Jarvis Landry's don't grow on trees. I don't know, someone will probably criticize me for commenting on the Saints, but some of what I read just made me scratch my head.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

03-08-2018, 04:21 PM	#3
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Saints Could Trade For Dolphins WR Jarvis Landry Originally Posted by burningmetal Yeah, there has to be a limit for how much you pay, or how much you give up for one player. But you don't get anything for free. What I'm reading in this thread is some people seem to think Landry isn't worth giving up much of anything, and that he isn't a need for the team. I just don't get that. You can plug in guys all day long, but that's all most of them will be... plugs. Jarvis Landry's don't grow on trees. I don't know, someone will probably criticize me for commenting on the Saints, but some of what I read just made me scratch my head. They come from the same place he came from, the draft. Rsanders24 likes this.
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03-08-2018, 05:12 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Could Trade For Dolphins WR Jarvis Landry Originally Posted by NonieT They come from the same place he came from, the draft. And they're all as good as him? Wow, everyone should go draft Jerry Rice and Joe Montana because, apparently, all you have to do is draft someone, and the rest is history. How about a known commodity? Wouldn't you want that? If not, please explain why. The draft is always there, and you do what you can with it. But when you can get established players without breaking the bank or selling the farm, it's a good idea to take advantage of that. K Major likes this.

03-08-2018, 05:52 PM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Saints Could Trade For Dolphins WR Jarvis Landry Originally Posted by burningmetal How about a known commodity? Wouldn't you want that? If not, please explain why. The draft is always there, and you do what you can with it. But when you can get established players without breaking the bank or selling the farm, it's a good idea to take advantage of that. This is of course the quandry. Good established players are going to cost treasure in either dollars, personnel/picks, or both. Draft picks on 5 year contracts are the only premium talent that doesn't break the bank. If you're not spending a ton of money, of giving up significant draft picks, then it's probably not premium talent. SFIAH

03-08-2018, 08:01 PM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Could Trade For Dolphins WR Jarvis Landry Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL This is of course the quandry. Good established players are going to cost treasure in either dollars, personnel/picks, or both. Draft picks on 5 year contracts are the only premium talent that doesn't break the bank. If you're not spending a ton of money, of giving up significant draft picks, then it's probably not premium talent. SFIAH When you have a guy who doesn't have much left on his contract (franchise tag, in this case), you don't have as much leverage to get much for him. It would be something fairly significant, but it wouldn't likely involve multiple high draft choices. Maybe one first or second round pick, and possibly a third rounder added in. The whole point of the Dolphins giving him the tag and then looking to deal him, is so that he doesn't just walk out on them for nothing. But given the high cost of the tag, I don't see the Dolphins being able to get a kings ransom in return. If you're the Saints, or any other team, it's all about how much money you want to spend in a long term deal. And if you aren't willing to spend on a proven commodity, why be willing to draft a player in hopes that he MIGHT work out? And if the draft pick does work out, at some point you have to pay him. Building through the draft is essential to long term success, but you can't count on "hitting" on a high percentage of your draft picks every year. Given that Landry is also still young, he seems like a good gamble. Also, the consensus among Saints fans seems to be that everything has to be done in Drew Brees' window. So if you have a decent foundation, it's time to expedite the process. Within reason, though. Landry seems like he would be a reasonable fit, to me. IF some team is willing to give the Dolphins a huge return, then that's their problem. My guess is that the market will pass on their initial demands, and that's when a negotiation could make sense for a team like the Saints. K Major likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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