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AsylumGuido 05-31-2018 06:16 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 803278)
Potentially; Okafor not being available and Davenport not being ready. If true that would make Trey the day 1 starter IMO.
I don't see much potential at all for that happening. I'm expecting Davenport to be so dynamic that they can't keep him off the field.

jeanpierre 05-31-2018 06:16 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2018 New Orleans Saints – OTAs 29-31 May

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 – Drew Brees (FA 2018), 7 - Taysom Hill, 12 - Tom Savage (FA 2018), 5 - J.T. Barrett (UDFA)

FB (1) 42 - Zach Line (FA 2018), 35 - Ryan Yurachek (UDFA)

RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram *[SUSPENDED], 41 - Alvin Kamara, 32 - Jonathan Williams, 33 - Trey Edmunds, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 30 - Boston Scott (R6, #201)

WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 19 - Ted Ginn, 16 - Brandon Coleman (RFA), 10 - Tra'Quan Smith (R3, #91),
11 - Tommylee Lewis, 14 - Travin Dural (RFC), 15 - Josh Huff (RFC), 17 - Paul Turner (RFC), 18 - Keith Kirkwood (UDFA)
SR (2) 81 - Cameron Meredith (RFA 2018), 80 - Austin Carr, 85 - Dan Arnold, 86 - Eldridge Massington (UDFA)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 74 - Jermon Bushrod (FA 2018), 69 - Nate Wozniak (UDFA)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 79 - Josh LeRibeus (FA 2018), 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner (RFC)

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 63 - Cameron Tom, 64 - Will Clapp (R7, #245)

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 66 – Andrew Tiller (RFC), 61 - Cory Helms (UDFA)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 73 - Rick Leonard (R4, #127), 65 - Michael Ola (FA -2018)

TE (3) 82 - Ben Watson (FA 2018), 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 83 - Deon Yelder (UDFA), 45 - Garrett Griffin

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 90 - George Johnson (FA 2018), 70 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 68 – Devaroe Lawrence, 62 - Henry Mondeaux (UDFA)

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 99 - Jay Bromley (FA 2018), 96 - Woodrow Hamilton, 76 - Taylor Stallworth (UDFA)

DE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport (R1, #14), 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad, 57 - Alex Okafor (FA 2018), 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 55 – Jayrone Elliot (RFC)

MLB (3) 56 - DeMario Davis (FA 2018), 51 - Manti Te'o, 58 - Colton Jumper (UDFA)

WLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 52 - Craig Robertson, 59 - KeShun Freeman (UDFA)

LCB (3) 20 - Ken Crawley, 21 - Patrick Robinson (FA 2018), 26 - P.J. Williams, 25 – De’Vante Harris

SS (2) 29 - Kurt Coleman (FA 2018), 24 - Vonn Bell, 31 - Chris Banjo, 48 - J.T. Gray (UDFA)

FS (3) 43 - Marcus Williams, 27 - Natrell Jamerson (R5, #164), 28 - Mykkele Thompson (RFC), 40 - Linden Stephens (UDFA)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee, 37 - Arthur Maulet, 39 - Kamrin Moore (R6, #189)

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (FA 2018)

Roster Count - Total: 90; Offense: 46; Defense: 41; Kicking: 3

*Note: 22 RB Mark Ingram has a pending suspension of four games to begin the 2018 NFL Season[/I]

**Note: 69 DE Alex Jenkins (NFL IPPP) roster spot is exempt in the team total players per NFL Int'l Player Pathway Program

KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent Signed (FA 2018)

Free Agent Reserve/Futures Contract (FC)

Rookie

Injured

jeanpierre 05-31-2018 06:39 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 803252)
Come on, JP. You've got a corncob up your ass about this and it ain't going to get pushed out until game time ... at the earliest. You've got to move that sucker.

:D
It is what it is - Payton over-reached in the draft, again, unnecessarily - enabled by a yes man for a general manager...

No local writers will question Payton's moves for fear of being sent out by Greg Bensel...

It'll play out in the Fall and we'll find out what two first round picks will be justified...

In the meantime, on this issue, I'll make my stand and will continue to voice my displeasure with this stupid move...

Really like our team, but I'm not gonna hold hands and sing kumbaya when a move is wrong or stupid, I'm gonna call the bad with the good...

saintsfan1976 05-31-2018 07:59 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 803398)
I don't see much potential at all for that happening. I'm expecting Davenport to be so dynamic that they can't keep him off the field.
Sure there is. As much as we believe in his potential it is realistic to assume Davenport may not be ready for NFL starter level competition by week 1. But Training camp and preseason have a way of revealing it so we’ll see how it unfolds. I’m pulling for him as well.

jeanpierre 05-31-2018 08:14 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 803283)
Jonathan Williams
Daniel Lasco

IMO both of these guys will have to play extremely well at camp to ensure a roster spot in 2018.
Should Taysom Hill win the deuce out-right, we're likely keeping two quarterbacks - that could allow for five (5) RBs counting a FB...

AsylumGuido 05-31-2018 08:21 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 803401)
It is what it is - Payton over-reached in the draft, again, unnecessarily - enabled by a yes man for a general manager...

No local writers will question Payton's moves for fear of being sent out by Greg Bensel...

It'll play out in the Fall and we'll find out what two first round picks will be justified...

In the meantime, on this issue, I'll make my stand and will continue to voice my displeasure with this stupid move...

Really like our team, but I'm not gonna hold hands and sing kumbaya when a move is wrong or stupid, I'm gonna call the bad with the good...
In YOUR opinion the front office over-reached on Davenport. But how can you even say "unnecessarily"? If they had decided as a team that Davenport was who they wanted to come away with at the top of the draft how do you propose they could have accomplished this in some other manner? It was absolutely necessary to trade up to grab him. He was most likely NOT going to be there at #27. I have no doubt whatsoever that they approached several teams with several offers to be able to make the "necessary" move. When it came down to it the ONLY move possible HAD to include the first from next year.

Now I can somehow see how you would have been bent out of shape if that 2019 first was expected to be near the top of the draft, but they had to have been very confident that it would, in fact, be very near the bottom. Have you considered that you may value draft picks more valuable than do others in the game? You must admit that the draft is a special time for you. Is there the tiniest bit of resentment that you will not be able to factor in a first rounder in your research for next off-season? Just stop and think about that for a second and be totally honest. ;)

If Davenport is the piece needed to solidify and make the defensive line a force to be reckoned with then ANY price paid is worth it. Once again, I bring up the old wise saying that a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. It fits this situation perfectly. Few people can argue that another quality edge rusher was the most important need coming into this season. There was not one available at the right price in free agency. Many would argue that there were only two elite ones available in the entire draft. There is no guarantee that the 27th pick this season and the ??? pick next season wouldn't turn out to be underachievers, if not total busts. Right?

K Major 05-31-2018 08:22 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 803408)
Should Taysom Hill win the deuce out-right, we're likely keeping two quarterbacks - that could allow for five (5) RBs counting a FB...
I'll never piss on a guys parade but Taysom needs to really show well at camp. Out running defenders was nice at BYU but the NFL is a totally different animal.

First question I have for Hill is if he can consistently throw accurate passes (see Garrett Grayson) in the pocket? How is his throwing mechanics? Running QB's always scare me.

Training camp awaits :bng:.

AsylumGuido 05-31-2018 08:26 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 803405)
Sure there is. As much as we believe in his potential it is realistic to assume Davenport may not be ready for NFL starter level competition by week 1. But Training camp and preseason have a way of revealing it so we’ll see how it unfolds. I’m pulling for him as well.
I could see your point at almost any other position, but edge rushers have one main job and that is to get to the QB. Raw physical ability can trump technique at this position. I would be shocked if Davenport wasn't a major part of the defensive front come week one, if not much, much sooner. Totally shocked.

ChrisXVI 05-31-2018 12:56 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Sharrod Neasman in, Mykelle Thompson out...

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2018 New Orleans Saints – OTAs 29-31 May

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 – Drew Brees (FA 2018), 7 - Taysom Hill, 12 - Tom Savage (FA 2018), 5 - J.T. Barrett (UDFA)

FB (1) 42 - Zach Line (FA 2018), 35 - Ryan Yurachek (UDFA)

RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram *[SUSPENDED], 41 - Alvin Kamara, 32 - Jonathan Williams, 33 - Trey Edmunds, 36 - Daniel Lasco, 30 - Boston Scott (R6, #201)

WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 19 - Ted Ginn, 16 - Brandon Coleman (RFA), 10 - Tra'Quan Smith (R3, #91),
11 - Tommylee Lewis, 14 - Travin Dural (RFC), 15 - Josh Huff (RFC), 17 - Paul Turner (RFC), 18 - Keith Kirkwood (UDFA)
SR (2) 81 - Cameron Meredith (RFA 2018), 80 - Austin Carr, 85 - Dan Arnold, 86 - Eldridge Massington (UDFA)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 74 - Jermon Bushrod (FA 2018), 69 - Nate Wozniak (UDFA)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 79 - Josh LeRibeus (FA 2018), 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner (RFC)

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 63 - Cameron Tom, 64 - Will Clapp (R7, #245)

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 66 – Andrew Tiller (RFC), 61 - Cory Helms (UDFA)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 73 - Rick Leonard (R4, #127), 65 - Michael Ola (FA -2018)

TE (3) 82 - Ben Watson (FA 2018), 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 83 - Deon Yelder (UDFA), 45 - Garrett Griffin

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 90 - George Johnson (FA 2018), 70 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 68 – Devaroe Lawrence, 62 - Henry Mondeaux (UDFA)

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 99 - Jay Bromley (FA 2018), 96 - Woodrow Hamilton, 76 - Taylor Stallworth (UDFA)

DE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport (R1, #14), 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad, 57 - Alex Okafor (FA 2018), 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 55 – Jayrone Elliot (RFC)

MLB (3) 56 - DeMario Davis (FA 2018), 51 - Manti Te'o, 58 - Colton Jumper (UDFA)

WLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 52 - Craig Robertson, 59 - KeShun Freeman (UDFA)

LCB (3) 20 - Ken Crawley, 21 - Patrick Robinson (FA 2018), 26 - P.J. Williams, 25 – De’Vante Harris

SS (2) 29 - Kurt Coleman (FA 2018), 24 - Vonn Bell, 31 - Chris Banjo, 48 - J.T. Gray (UDFA)

FS (3) 43 - Marcus Williams, 27 - Natrell Jamerson (R5, #164), ?? - Sharrod Neasman (FA 2018), 40 - Linden Stephens (UDFA)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee, 37 - Arthur Maulet, 39 - Kamrin Moore (R6, #189)

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (FA 2018)

Roster Count - Total: 90; Offense: 46; Defense: 41; Kicking: 3

*Note: 22 RB Mark Ingram has a pending suspension of four games to begin the 2018 NFL Season[/I]

**Note: 69 DE Alex Jenkins (NFL IPPP) roster spot is exempt in the team total players per NFL Int'l Player Pathway Program

KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent Signed (FA 2018)

Free Agent Reserve/Futures Contract (FC)

Rookie

Injured

jeanpierre 05-31-2018 09:51 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 803410)
In YOUR opinion the front office over-reached on Davenport. But how can you even say "unnecessarily"? If they had decided as a team that Davenport was who they wanted to come away with at the top of the draft how do you propose they could have accomplished this in some other manner?

Now I can somehow see how you would have been bent out of shape if that 2019 first was expected to be near the top of the draft, but they had to have been very confident that it would, in fact, be very near the bottom. Have you considered that you may value draft picks more valuable than do others in the game? You must admit that the draft is a special time for you. Is there the tiniest bit of resentment that you will not be able to factor in a first rounder in your research for next off-season? Just stop and think about that for a second and be totally honest. ;)
Let's not be coy - Payton makes the final roster decisions; they're may be input, requests, but there is no decision as a team as Payton has all the juice...

The pass rush is Cam Jordan with Okafor a solid complement; the interior (Onyemata, Davison, Rankins) were fair at best in collapsing the pocket...

Of Note, Onyemata, Davison, Rankins is how they finished in their annual grades and production...

Don't get all this brouhaha about we must have an edge rusher opposite Cam; there's four spots to get pressure; Rams do it with Aaron Donald, a DT3...

At 27 in the draft, there were at least three DTs, another two DEs who would have been upgrades over everyone not named Cam Jordan...

There still were options there in the third round to gain yet another player for the defensive line, our most critical area of need after free agency...

Two first round picks is too much draft capital in one player not a franchise quarterback...

Payton repeatedly overspending draft capital (i.e. two picks to acquire one pick) is one of the single biggest reasons why there's only one Superbowl with Drew Brees...

You can buckle-in because this is likely a three year argument and won't end soon unless Davenport has a rookie season like Bubba Baker, or Jevon Kearse...

Is a Superbowl worth two first round picks, YES.

And Ultimately, the crux of this argument will be thus - Will Marcus Davenport be the difference and the single biggest reason for the Saints winning the Superbowl?

Since 2006, it's real simple, Sean Payton in the field - Good; Sean Payton in the draft room - Bad...

And for the record, I really want to be wrong on this and Davenport has a Bubba Baker rookie season to justify two first round picks...

jeanpierre 05-31-2018 09:54 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 803426)
Sharrod Neasman in, Mykelle Thompson out...
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2018 New Orleans Saints – OTAs 29-31 May

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 – Drew Brees (FA 2018), 7 - Taysom Hill, 12 - Tom Savage (FA 2018), 5 - J.T. Barrett (UDFA)

FB (1) 42 - Zach Line (FA 2018), 35 - Ryan Yurachek (UDFA)

RB (4) 22 - Mark Ingram *[SUSPENDED], 41 - Alvin Kamara, 32 - Jonathan Williams, 30 - Boston Scott (R6, #201), 33 - Trey Edmunds, 36 - Daniel Lasco

WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 19 - Ted Ginn, 16 - Brandon Coleman (RFA), 10 - Tra'Quan Smith (R3, #91),
11 - Tommylee Lewis, 14 - Travin Dural (RFC), 15 - Josh Huff (RFC), 17 - Paul Turner (RFC), 18 - Keith Kirkwood (UDFA)
SR (2) 81 - Cameron Meredith (RFA 2018), 80 - Austin Carr, 85 - Dan Arnold, 86 - Eldridge Massington (UDFA)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 74 - Jermon Bushrod (FA 2018), 69 - Nate Wozniak (UDFA)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 79 - Josh LeRibeus (FA 2018), 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner (RFC)

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 63 - Cameron Tom, 64 - Will Clapp (R7, #245)

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 66 – Andrew Tiller (RFC), 61 - Cory Helms (UDFA)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 73 - Rick Leonard (R4, #127), 65 - Michael Ola (FA -2018)

TE (3) 82 - Ben Watson (FA 2018), 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 83 - Deon Yelder (UDFA), 45 - Garrett Griffin

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 90 - George Johnson (FA 2018), 70 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 68 – Devaroe Lawrence, 62 - Henry Mondeaux (UDFA)

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 99 - Jay Bromley (FA 2018), 96 - Woodrow Hamilton, 76 - Taylor Stallworth (UDFA)

DE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport (R1, #14), 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad, 57 - Alex Okafor (FA 2018), 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 55 – Jayrone Elliot (RFC)

MLB (3) 56 - DeMario Davis (FA 2018), 51 - Manti Te'o, 58 - Colton Jumper (UDFA)

WLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 52 - Craig Robertson, 59 - KeShun Freeman (UDFA)

LCB (3) 20 - Ken Crawley, 21 - Patrick Robinson (FA 2018), 25 – De’Vante Harris, 27 - Natrell Jamerson (R5, #164)

SS (2) 29 - Kurt Coleman (FA 2018), 24 - Vonn Bell, 38 - Sharrod Neasman (FA 2018), 48 - J.T. Gray (UDFA)

FS (3) 43 - Marcus Williams, 31 - Chris Banjo, 34 - Justin Hardee, 40 - Linden Stephens (UDFA)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 26 - P.J. Williams, 37 - Arthur Maulet, 39 - Kamrin Moore (R6, #189)

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (FA 2018)

Roster Count - Total: 90; Offense: 46; Defense: 41; Kicking: 3

*Note: 22 RB Mark Ingram has a pending suspension of four games to begin the 2018 NFL Season

**Note: 69 DE Alex Jenkins (NFL IPPP) roster spot is exempt in the team total players per NFL Int'l Player Pathway Program

KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent Signed (FA 2018)

Free Agent Reserve/Futures Contract (FC)

Rookie

Injured

ChrisXVI 06-01-2018 07:52 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
We receive $3 million in cap space tomorrow from Coby Fleener’s post-June 1st designation! :banana:

jeanpierre 06-01-2018 08:13 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 

voodooido 06-01-2018 09:00 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Depending on what AK does I can see MI coming back and seeing himself out of a job. Williams, Scott and Edmunds have the ability to spell AK when needed. Trade MI during the last week of his suspension. No way we resign him after this offseason. Some team will be Hurting for a RB and he stil has talent. Probably get a conditional rd 4 that could be a rd 3. Crap, we got a rd 5 for Peterson which did nothing for us.

jeanpierre 06-01-2018 10:46 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 803482)
Depending on what AK does I can see MI coming back and seeing himself out of a job. Williams, Scott and Edmunds have the ability to spell AK when needed. Trade MI during the last week of his suspension. No way we resign him after this offseason. Some team will be Hurting for a RB and he stil has talent. Probably get a conditional rd 4 that could be a rd 3. Crap, we got a rd 5 for Peterson which did nothing for us.
Wouldn't move Ingram till any or some combination of J. Williams, T. Edmunds, D. Lasco, or Rookie B. Scott show they're capable, can be trusted...

I do have a long memory when it comes to the Saints, and I still remember not being able to kill the clock against Seattle...

When the playoffs are upon us - I'd prefer to have had five RBs to start the season (back-end capable, willing special teams players) - the NFL is attrition...

Should it play out Ingram becomes expendable, his value may never be greater than to a contender who needs a starting running back at the trade deadline...

K Major 06-01-2018 11:22 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
LCB (3) 20 - Ken Crawley, 21 - Patrick Robinson (FA 2018), 26 - P.J. Williams, 25 – De’Vante Harris

I wouldn't be against bringing in another veteran corner here.

K Major 06-01-2018 12:05 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 803482)
Depending on what AK does I can see MI coming back and seeing himself out of a job. Williams, Scott and Edmunds have the ability to spell AK when needed. Trade MI during the last week of his suspension.
Mark can pass protect.
He can convert short yardard.
He can get you 20 yards.
He can get you 50 yards.
A threat as a pass catcher.
He'll beat you inside & outside. He'll beat you up in the screen game.
He's also been proven to beat linebackers in pass routes.

No way I see Mark getting dealt in 2018. We are in win now mode.

IMO losing Ingram for 4 weeks is big time.

AsylumGuido 06-01-2018 03:52 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 803504)
Mark can pass protect.
He can convert short yardard.
He can get you 20 yards.
He can get you 50 yards.
A threat as a pass catcher.
He'll beat you inside & outside. He'll beat you up in the screen game.
He's also been proven to beat linebackers in pass routes.

No way I see Mark getting dealt in 2018. We are in win now mode.

IMO losing Ingram for 4 weeks is big time.
I agree, K. I don't get the whole "trade" Ingram deal. Coupled with Kamara he gives us the very best shot at winning it all again this season. Trading him away for some future consideration would be asinine.

jeanpierre 06-01-2018 04:31 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 

voodooido 06-01-2018 08:32 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 803512)
I agree, K. I don't get the whole "trade" Ingram deal. Coupled with Kamara he gives us the very best shot at winning it all again this season. Trading him away for some future consideration would be asinine.
Look, I’m all for keeping him but it’s not going to happen. He’s suspended 4 games and his contract is up this year. No way we will pay him the 8-10 million a year he will want. Get what we can for him before week 5.

ChrisXVI 06-01-2018 09:27 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 803519)
I suppose we just have to have faith in the coaching staff. From what I’ve seen of Jamerson I haven’t really seen a press-man CB. He seems to be at his best playing off in a zone and using his great closing speed to make a play on the ball.

His D-Coordinator/DB Coach was Jim Leonhard so if he’s vouching for the kid’s abilities then who am I to question it?

jeanpierre 06-02-2018 05:15 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 803534)
I suppose we just have to have faith in the coaching staff. From what I’ve seen of Jamerson I haven’t really seen a press-man CB. He seems to be at his best playing off in a zone and using his great closing speed to make a play on the ball.

His D-Coordinator/DB Coach was Jim Leonhard so if he’s vouching for the kid’s abilities then who am I to question it?
I get that, but there's a body of work (film, gameplay) out there that suggests he took off when he moved to safety...

Bill Walsh claimed Ronnie Lott was a better cornerback than safety, but at least Walsh was honest enough to not mess with what was working...

Payton/Allen are overthinking this...

Rugby Saint II 06-03-2018 01:14 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 803561)
I get that, but there's a body of work (film, gameplay) out there that suggests he took off when he moved to safety...

Bill Walsh claimed Ronnie Lott was a better cornerback than safety, but at least Walsh was honest enough to not mess with what was working...

Payton/Allen are overthinking this...
They have a history of doing just that. Evil geniuses with too much time on their hands. :wink:

jeanpierre 06-04-2018 03:39 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2018 New Orleans Saints – OTAs 5-7 June

OFFENSE

QB (2) 9 – Drew Brees (FA 2018), 7 - Taysom Hill, 12 - Tom Savage (FA 2018), 5 - J.T. Barrett (UDFA)

RB (5) 22 - Mark Ingram *[SUSPENDED], 41 - Alvin Kamara, 42 - Zach Line (FA 2018)
30 - Boston Scott (R6, #201), 32 - Jonathan Williams, 33 - Trey Edmunds, 35 - Ryan Yurachek (UDFA), 36 - Daniel Lasco
WR (3) 13 - Michael Thomas, 19 - Ted Ginn, 10 - Tra'Quan Smith (R3, #91), 16 - Brandon Coleman (RFA 2018),
11 - Tommylee Lewis, 14 - Travin Dural (RFC), 15 - Josh Huff (RFC), 17 - Paul Turner (RFC), 18 - Keith Kirkwood (UDFA)
SR (2) 81 - Cameron Meredith (RFA 2018), 80 - Austin Carr, 85 - Dan Arnold, 86 - Eldridge Massington (UDFA)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 74 - Jermon Bushrod (FA 2018), 69 - Nate Wozniak (UDFA)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 79 - Josh LeRibeus (FA 2018), 77 - John Fullington, 78 - Landon Turner (RFC)

C (2) 60 - Max Unger, 64 - Will Clapp (R7, #245), 63 - Cameron Tom

RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 66 – Andrew Tiller (RFC), 61 - Cory Helms (UDFA)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 73 - Rick Leonard (R4, #127), 65 - Michael Ola (FA -2018)

TE (3) 82 - Ben Watson (FA 2018), 89 - Josh Hill, 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 83 - Deon Yelder (UDFA)

DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 90 - George Johnson (FA 2018), 70 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 68 – Devaroe Lawrence, 62 - Henry Mondeaux (UDFA)

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 99 - Jay Bromley (FA 2018), 96 - Woodrow Hamilton, 76 - Taylor Stallworth (UDFA)

DE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport (R1, #14), 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad, 57 - Alex Okafor (FA 2018), 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha

SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 54 - Nate Stupar, 55 – Jayrone Elliot (RFC)

MLB (3) 56 - DeMario Davis (FA 2018), 51 - Manti Te'o, 58 - Colton Jumper (UDFA)

WLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 52 - Craig Robertson, 59 - KeShun Freeman (UDFA)

LCB (2) 20 - Ken Crawley, 21 - Patrick Robinson (FA 2018), 37 - Arthur Maulet

SS (2) 29 - Kurt Coleman (FA 2018), 24 - Vonn Bell, 48 - J.T. Gray (UDFA)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams, 31 - Chris Banjo, 38 - Sharrod Neasman (FA 2018)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 26 - P.J. Williams, 25 – De’Vante Harris

NCB (2)*** 34 - Justin Hardee, 27 - Natrell Jamerson (R5, #164), 39 - Kamrin Moore (R6, #189), 40 - Linden Stephens (UDFA)

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (FA 2018)

Roster Count - Total: 90; Offense: 46; Defense: 41; Kicking: 3

*Note: 22 RB Mark Ingram has a pending suspension of four games to begin the 2018 NFL Season

**Note: 69 DE Alex Jenkins (NFL IPPP) roster spot is exempt in the team total players per NFL Int'l Player Pathway Program

***Note: In traditional nickel packages, Robinson takes slot, while Crawley will take outside corner, both will compete as starting LCB in base defense

KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent Signed (FA 2018)

Free Agent Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC)

Rookie

Injured

jeanpierre 06-04-2018 04:09 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 803534)
His D-Coordinator/DB Coach was Jim Leonhard so if he’s vouching for the kid’s abilities then who am I to question it?
Leonhard had been signed by the Saints as a Free Agent in 2013, but released before the season; again, Saints reaching out to those they're familiar for scouting...

K Major 06-04-2018 08:09 AM
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We will just have to wait and see how training camp unfolds for the rookies.

jeanpierre 06-04-2018 09:33 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 803629)
We will just have to wait and see how training camp unfolds for the rookies.
Reworked the Depth Chart to more accurately reflect the game today, especially the passing emphasis, treating nickel as a time-share with SLB...

Patrick Robinson most likely will be in the slot on the traditional nickel, while Vonn Bell will come in on the Saints' heavy nickel packages...

P-Rob and Crawley should have a nice training camp battle; but I agree with KMajor about having another vet; I preferred bringing back a healthy Breaux...

Have more faith in PJ Williams than most and feel he's had a run of bad luck; he can turn it around, but his problem now - where's he gonna get the reps?

K Major 06-04-2018 10:14 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 803637)
P-Rob and Crawley should have a nice training camp battle; but I agree with KMajor about having another vet; I preferred bringing back a healthy Breaux...
As of today, still unsigned. At a position where most in NFL front offices think you can never have enough of... has me wondering what else is going on behind the scenes. Bad rep or the rehab isn't as good as what we are hearing and reading.

But completely agree JP, I'd love to have him Breaux back in camp. What would it hurt? If he doesn't have it, give him the tap (cut him).

jeanpierre 06-04-2018 07:04 PM
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saintsfan1976 06-04-2018 08:03 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 803412)
I could see your point at almost any other position, but edge rushers have one main job and that is to get to the QB. Raw physical ability can trump technique at this position. I would be shocked if Davenport wasn't a major part of the defensive front come week one, if not much, much sooner. Totally shocked.
That's a really good point. I hope he picks it up that fast too.

saintsfan1976 06-04-2018 08:12 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 803642)
As of today, still unsigned. At a position where most in NFL front offices think you can never have enough of... has me wondering what else is going on behind the scenes. Bad rep or the rehab isn't as good as what we are hearing and reading.

But completely agree JP, I'd love to have him Breaux back in camp. What would it hurt? If he doesn't have it, give him the tap (cut him).
I like Breuax. I do.

But he's 28. Had two major surgeries. When healthy he was good (not great).

I can't blame any team for shying away.

ChrisXVI 06-04-2018 08:42 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
I’m pretty interested to see if Justin Hardee can actually play CB. He was a college WR and made the transition to CB with us, but was really only asked to be a special teams ace. With players we’ve added this offseason I don’t know that we’d keep someone who only plays ST.

K Major 06-05-2018 10:49 AM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad ... really curious to see how he develops in year 2.

K Major 06-05-2018 12:44 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 803713)
I’m pretty interested to see if Justin Hardee can actually play CB. He was a college WR and made the transition to CB with us, but was really only asked to be a special teams ace. With players we’ve added this offseason I don’t know that we’d keep someone who only plays ST.
+1. With the competition we have this year heading into camp, he'll definitely need to show some versatility (like Edmunds). I thought Justin played extremely well on special teams duty though.

jeanpierre 06-05-2018 08:10 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
DEFENSE

DE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 90 - George Johnson (FA 2018), 70 - Mitchell Loewen

DT (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata, 68 – Devaroe Lawrence, 62 - Henry Mondeaux (UDFA)

NT (2) 95 - Tyeler Davison, 99 - Jay Bromley (FA 2018), 96 - Woodrow Hamilton, 76 - Taylor Stallworth (UDFA)

[B]DE[/B] (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport (R1, #14), 97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad, 57 - Alex Okafor (FA 2018), 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha


Well, that's a lot of talent at edge rusher - it's still not going to fix collapsing the pocket if those guys in the middle don't step up this year...

jeanpierre 06-05-2018 08:12 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 803713)
I’m pretty interested to see if Justin Hardee can actually play CB. He was a college WR and made the transition to CB with us, but was really only asked to be a special teams ace. With players we’ve added this offseason I don’t know that we’d keep someone who only plays ST.
Agreed. And with the changes coming on kickoffs, guys are gonna have to show they they can be relied upon 3-4 games a year in the base offenses and defenses...

Being a stand-out special teams players won't be enough anymore...

jeanpierre 06-07-2018 12:31 PM
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jeanpierre 06-07-2018 12:34 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 803710)
I like Breuax. I do.

But he's 28. Had two major surgeries. When healthy he was good (not great).

I can't blame any team for shying away.
Can't speak for everyone, but my thinking is re-signing Delvin Breaux would be more about improving the back end talent on the depth chart - if healthy...

jeanpierre 06-07-2018 01:54 PM
Re: 2018 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Lots of moving and shuffling of the reserve offensive linemen in OTAs...

jeanpierre 06-07-2018 04:30 PM
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