Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham

AsylumGuido · 03-06-2018, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

No, none of that was the point. The point was I said he knew exactly what he was doing. You said he was just a pawn of the NFLPE and he had no choice. You keep moving the sticks to adjust to your position. Debates do not work that way Sir.

Right now? My "issue"? Well, the fact that you won't just let it go and agree to disagree, which I've been trying to do for a while now.

My point is that Jimmy knew what he was doing. You initially argued that he was merely a pawn. I have shown your take to be bogus, so much so that you have agreed with me in multiple posts.

You lost. Move on. It's ok. It's just a football forum.

No. You don't get it. Your point is that he knew what he was doing so he was at fault for doing it. My point is that he knew what he was doing and was convinced by the NFLPA that is was for the best of the union to pursue the issue. He really had no choice balancing getting his contract done early against the good of the whole union membership. In that case he was a pawn. He had no choice but to say yes without letting down the whole NFLPA membership.

I haven't moved my sticks an inch. And my take is anything but bogus. It is based far more in fact than anything you have attempted to present.

Yes, it is just a football forum, but when you choose to present faulty arguments demeaning persons who are not at fault I will come to their defense with a passion.

You, Sir, are wrong. Sorry.

saintfan · 03-06-2018, 07:25 PM

For the love of Pete man let it go.

My point was that he was not merely a pawn. Your point is that he was.

You lose. You were always going to lose, because your argument only holds water if someone else was in charge of Jimmy's contract. Of course that is ludicrous. We all new that before your last 10 posts or however many you've posted trying to re-frame the debate. Debates don't work that way bro. You're staring to look foolish(er).

Good God man. Just stop. Do you not think anyone who's interested cant simply scroll up to see who's 'demeaning'?

Stop digging dude. Let it go. Deep breaths. You might win a debate against me someday. Today is not the day.

AsylumGuido · 03-06-2018, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

For the love of Pete man let it go.

My point was that he was not merely a pawn. Your point is that he was.

You lose. You were always going to lose, because your argument only holds water if someone else was in charge of Jimmy's contract. Of course that is ludicrous. We all new that before your last 10 posts or however many you've posted trying to re-frame the debate. Debates don't work that way bro. You're staring to look foolish(er).

Good God man. Just stop. Do you not think anyone who's interested cant simply scroll up to see who's 'demeaning'?

Stop digging dude. Let it go. Deep breaths. You might win a debate against me someday. Today is not the day.

No! Your point was that he was at fault for something. He was faced with a choice of postponing his contract to help the union or do what the fanbase wanted. Yes. He decided to do what was clearly an overwhelming decision. He was a pawn. He really had no choice without ostracizing himself. He was clearly pressured into the decision as was supported by Brees' quote.

Sorry, but you lose this debate. From the very beginning.

My whole point has always been that he had no choice because the choice was so overwhelming based upon the importance relayed by the NFLPA. Yes. He had a choice, but was still a pawn because his choice was limited to one choice.

saintfan · 03-06-2018, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No! Your point was that he was at fault for something. He was faced with a choice of postponing his contract to help the union or do what the fanbase wanted. Yes. He decided to do what was clearly an overwhelming decision. He was a pawn. He really had no choice without ostracizing himself. He was clearly pressured into the decision as was supported by Brees' quote.

Sorry, but you lose this debate. From the very beginning.

My point? Gimmie some of those magic, mind readin' beans bro...

You know what? You win. Everything you said was right. Everything I said was wrong. Feel better? God I hope so...

THE WINNER by BOBBY BARE - YouTube

AsylumGuido · 03-06-2018, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

My point? Gimmie some of those magic, mind readin' beans bro...

You know what? You win. Everything you said was right. Everything I said was wrong. Feel better? God I hope so...

THE WINNER by BOBBY BARE - YouTube

Of course I win because you were wrong. Good day.

saintfan · 03-06-2018, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Of course I win because you were wrong. Good day.

Of course

AsylumGuido · 03-06-2018, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Of course

At least you admit your delusion. Commendable.

Beastmode · 03-06-2018, 08:01 PM

He won't be signing here. He rubbed the leadership against the grain.
Maybe the Browns but not here. Too many TE FA's with way more upside, especially in the blocking dept.

ChrisXVI · 03-06-2018, 08:26 PM

Mike Gesicki from Penn State is the exact same player for way cheaper and 10 years younger.

Beastmode · 03-06-2018, 08:51 PM

Jimmy is an old man for a TE. Dude is very beat up and didn't show up for about 6 games last season. He was a ghost. No way this happens. Time to either draft or make a good read in the FA market with a younger prospect.

03-06-2018, 07:18 PM	#61
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by saintfan No, none of that was the point. The point was I said he knew exactly what he was doing. You said he was just a pawn of the NFLPE and he had no choice. You keep moving the sticks to adjust to your position. Debates do not work that way Sir. Right now? My "issue"? Well, the fact that you won't just let it go and agree to disagree, which I've been trying to do for a while now. My point is that Jimmy knew what he was doing. You initially argued that he was merely a pawn. I have shown your take to be bogus, so much so that you have agreed with me in multiple posts. You lost. Move on. It's ok. It's just a football forum. No. You don't get it. Your point is that he knew what he was doing so he was at fault for doing it. My point is that he knew what he was doing and was convinced by the NFLPA that is was for the best of the union to pursue the issue. He really had no choice balancing getting his contract done early against the good of the whole union membership. In that case he was a pawn. He had no choice but to say yes without letting down the whole NFLPA membership. I haven't moved my sticks an inch. And my take is anything but bogus. It is based far more in fact than anything you have attempted to present. Yes, it is just a football forum, but when you choose to present faulty arguments demeaning persons who are not at fault I will come to their defense with a passion. You, Sir, are wrong. Sorry.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

03-06-2018, 07:25 PM	#62
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham For the love of Pete man let it go. My point was that he was not merely a pawn. Your point is that he was. You lose. You were always going to lose, because your argument only holds water if someone else was in charge of Jimmy's contract. Of course that is ludicrous. We all new that before your last 10 posts or however many you've posted trying to re-frame the debate. Debates don't work that way bro. You're staring to look foolish(er). Good God man. Just stop. Do you not think anyone who's interested cant simply scroll up to see who's 'demeaning'? Stop digging dude. Let it go. Deep breaths. You might win a debate against me someday. Today is not the day.
	C'mon Man...

03-06-2018, 07:33 PM	#63
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by saintfan For the love of Pete man let it go. My point was that he was not merely a pawn. Your point is that he was. You lose. You were always going to lose, because your argument only holds water if someone else was in charge of Jimmy's contract. Of course that is ludicrous. We all new that before your last 10 posts or however many you've posted trying to re-frame the debate. Debates don't work that way bro. You're staring to look foolish(er). Good God man. Just stop. Do you not think anyone who's interested cant simply scroll up to see who's 'demeaning'? Stop digging dude. Let it go. Deep breaths. You might win a debate against me someday. Today is not the day. No! Your point was that he was at fault for something. He was faced with a choice of postponing his contract to help the union or do what the fanbase wanted. Yes. He decided to do what was clearly an overwhelming decision. He was a pawn. He really had no choice without ostracizing himself. He was clearly pressured into the decision as was supported by Brees' quote. Sorry, but you lose this debate. From the very beginning. My whole point has always been that he had no choice because the choice was so overwhelming based upon the importance relayed by the NFLPA. Yes. He had a choice, but was still a pawn because his choice was limited to one choice.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill Last edited by AsylumGuido; 03-06-2018 at 07:44 PM..

03-06-2018, 07:45 PM	#65
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by saintfan My point? Gimmie some of those magic, mind readin' beans bro... You know what? You win. Everything you said was right. Everything I said was wrong. Feel better? God I hope so... THE WINNER by BOBBY BARE - YouTube Of course I win because you were wrong. Good day.

03-06-2018, 07:50 PM	#66
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Of course I win because you were wrong. Good day. Of course

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03-06-2018, 07:51 PM	#67
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by saintfan Of course At least you admit your delusion. Commendable.

03-06-2018, 08:01 PM	#68
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham He won't be signing here. He rubbed the leadership against the grain. Maybe the Browns but not here. Too many TE FA's with way more upside, especially in the blocking dept.
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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Mike Gesicki from Penn State is the exact same player for way cheaper and 10 years younger. Beastmode and halloween 65 like this.

03-06-2018, 08:51 PM	#70
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Jimmy is an old man for a TE. Dude is very beat up and didn't show up for about 6 games last season. He was a ghost. No way this happens. Time to either draft or make a good read in the FA market with a younger prospect.
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