Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham

saintsfan1976 · 03-05-2018, 04:04 PM

Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
Love what ya did for us Jimmy but....
I’d rather have Trey Burton or pick from a bevy of draft talent.
Besides they way you left and what you said after leaving was all I needed to hear.

ChrisXVI · 03-05-2018, 04:19 PM

Well I didn’t really expect that. I thought it was just the media making stuff up.

AsylumGuido · 03-05-2018, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
Love what ya did for us Jimmy but....
I’d rather have Trey Burton or pick from a bevy of draft talent.
Besides they way you left and what you said after leaving was all I needed to hear.

Personally I really don't care how some are bent out of shape by media twisted dissing of the Saints by Graham. All I know is that he remained a friend of Brees and is still a respected player. If you as fans are bent out of shape it doesn't matter at all. Get over it. Get real.

saintsfan1976 · 03-05-2018, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Personally I really don't care how some are bent out of shape by media twisted dissing of the Saints by Graham. All I know is that he remained a friend of Brees and is still a respected player. If you as fans are bent out of shape it doesn't matter at all. Get over it. Get real.

Were his worss twisted? Was the holdout for record money twisted? Was the precipitous drop in production without Brees twisted?

If not, the only thing I’d be bent out of shape over is missing out on a more talented TE by signing Graham instead.

AsylumGuido · 03-05-2018, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Were his worss twisted? Was the holdout for record money twisted? Was the precipitous drop in production without Brees twisted?

If not, the only thing I’d be bent out of shape over is missing out on a more talented TE by signing Graham instead.

Not sure what a "worss" is.

And he never held out for record money. Get your facts straight. The NFLPA used his declaration as a TE as opposed to a WR to present a test case to the league. It had nothing what so ever to do with any record breaking attempt at anything.

And, no, the precipitous drop had everything to do with being misused by Seattle.

saintsfan1976 · 03-06-2018, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not sure what a "worss" is. And he never held out for record money. Get your facts straight. The NFLPA used his declaration as a TE as opposed to a WR to present a test case to the league. It had nothing what so ever to do with any record breaking attempt at anything.

And, no, the precipitous drop had everything to do with being misused by Seattle.

Graham wanted more money than the TE franchise tag. Fact. And being tagged as a WR meant about $5M more at the time. Fact. So no, the NFLPA didn’t dream up the scenarios. JG held out or fought for more money than the Saints wanted to pay him. In the end he became the highest paid right end in history. Fact!

Worth it? I thought so. JG was historic at his position. But he faded at the end the very next season.

And no, Seattle couldn’t get the most out of Graham and it cost Darrell Bevell his job.

AsylumGuido · 03-06-2018, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Graham wanted more money than the TE franchise tag. Fact. And being tagged as a WR meant about $5M more at the time. Fact. So no, the NFLPA didn’t dream up the scenarios. JG held out or fought for more money than the Saints wanted to pay him. In the end he became the highest paid right end in history. Fact!

Worth it? I thought so. JG was historic at his position. But he faded at the end the very next season.

And no, Seattle couldn’t get the most out of Graham and it cost Darrell Bevell his job.

Sorry, but YOU have this wrong. The NFLPA used the Graham case to try to set a precedent. Graham NEVER personally demanded WR money. Go check it out. THIS is a FACT. Graham did, however, agree, with the consent of his agent, to allow the NFLPA to use his case as a test case. By the way, the NFLPA did the exact same thing when they used Brees' situation concerning a second franchise tag by a different team.

In both cases the NFLPA had the long-term good of their constituents in mind and it was about nothing but business. I cannot understand why some fans take these type of issues so personally. It makes no sense. The teams and the players know better.

saintfan · 03-06-2018, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Sorry, but YOU have this wrong. The NFLPA used the Graham case to try to set a precedent. Graham NEVER personally demanded WR money.

I've tried to factor this into my own opinion, and as I said earlier we must all recognize this is a business, but Jimmy's arm wasn't twisted. He is the captain of his own ship. He could have shut all that down the minute he wanted to by telling his agent to shut up and sit down. I'm not buying it, particularly after his parting shots against the organization, as if he had no role in his departure. Had he (via his agent) been reasonable he'd have been a Saints for life.

I'm over it, but Jimmy wasn't "merely pawn, in game of life". Agents are like lawyers. They must be managed, otherwise they'll run up your bill and screw up your life.

saintsfan1976 · 03-06-2018, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Sorry, but YOU have this wrong. The NFLPA used the Graham case to try to set a precedent. Graham NEVER personally demanded WR money. Go check it out. THIS is a FACT. Graham did, however, agree, with the consent of his agent, to allow the NFLPA to use his case as a test case. By the way, the NFLPA did the exact same thing when they used Brees' situation concerning a second franchise tag by a different team.

In both cases the NFLPA had the long-term good of their constituents in mind and it was about nothing but business. I cannot understand why some fans take these type of issues so personally. It makes no sense. The teams and the players know better.

I am far from infallible. Maybe I do need to dig deeper - and I will. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

03-05-2018, 04:04 PM	#1
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,051 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Love what ya did for us Jimmy but.... I’d rather have Trey Burton or pick from a bevy of draft talent. Besides they way you left and what you said after leaving was all I needed to hear. ScottF, QBREES9, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

03-05-2018, 04:19 PM	#2
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Well I didn’t really expect that. I thought it was just the media making stuff up.

03-05-2018, 05:10 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,720	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Love what ya did for us Jimmy but.... I’d rather have Trey Burton or pick from a bevy of draft talent. Besides they way you left and what you said after leaving was all I needed to hear. Personally I really don't care how some are bent out of shape by media twisted dissing of the Saints by Graham. All I know is that he remained a friend of Brees and is still a respected player. If you as fans are bent out of shape it doesn't matter at all. Get over it. Get real. Rsanders24, aquaboogie, WhoDat!656 and 1 others like this.

03-05-2018, 06:53 PM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,051 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Personally I really don't care how some are bent out of shape by media twisted dissing of the Saints by Graham. All I know is that he remained a friend of Brees and is still a respected player. If you as fans are bent out of shape it doesn't matter at all. Get over it. Get real. Were his worss twisted? Was the holdout for record money twisted? Was the precipitous drop in production without Brees twisted? If not, the only thing I’d be bent out of shape over is missing out on a more talented TE by signing Graham instead. RockyMountainSaint, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

03-05-2018, 08:39 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,720	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Were his worss twisted? Was the holdout for record money twisted? Was the precipitous drop in production without Brees twisted? If not, the only thing I’d be bent out of shape over is missing out on a more talented TE by signing Graham instead. Not sure what a "worss" is. And he never held out for record money. Get your facts straight. The NFLPA used his declaration as a TE as opposed to a WR to present a test case to the league. It had nothing what so ever to do with any record breaking attempt at anything. And, no, the precipitous drop had everything to do with being misused by Seattle. Rell&Gold likes this.

03-06-2018, 04:37 AM	#6
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,051 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not sure what a "worss" is. And he never held out for record money. Get your facts straight. The NFLPA used his declaration as a TE as opposed to a WR to present a test case to the league. It had nothing what so ever to do with any record breaking attempt at anything. And, no, the precipitous drop had everything to do with being misused by Seattle. Graham wanted more money than the TE franchise tag. Fact. And being tagged as a WR meant about $5M more at the time. Fact. So no, the NFLPA didn’t dream up the scenarios. JG held out or fought for more money than the Saints wanted to pay him. In the end he became the highest paid right end in history. Fact! Worth it? I thought so. JG was historic at his position. But he faded at the end the very next season. And no, Seattle couldn’t get the most out of Graham and it cost Darrell Bevell his job. SmashMouth and Beastmode like this.
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03-06-2018, 08:04 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,720	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Graham wanted more money than the TE franchise tag. Fact. And being tagged as a WR meant about $5M more at the time. Fact. So no, the NFLPA didn’t dream up the scenarios. JG held out or fought for more money than the Saints wanted to pay him. In the end he became the highest paid right end in history. Fact! Worth it? I thought so. JG was historic at his position. But he faded at the end the very next season. And no, Seattle couldn’t get the most out of Graham and it cost Darrell Bevell his job. Sorry, but YOU have this wrong. The NFLPA used the Graham case to try to set a precedent. Graham NEVER personally demanded WR money. Go check it out. THIS is a FACT. Graham did, however, agree, with the consent of his agent, to allow the NFLPA to use his case as a test case. By the way, the NFLPA did the exact same thing when they used Brees' situation concerning a second franchise tag by a different team. In both cases the NFLPA had the long-term good of their constituents in mind and it was about nothing but business. I cannot understand why some fans take these type of issues so personally. It makes no sense. The teams and the players know better. SaintFanInATLHELL and K Major like this.
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03-06-2018, 08:16 AM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Sorry, but YOU have this wrong. The NFLPA used the Graham case to try to set a precedent. Graham NEVER personally demanded WR money. I've tried to factor this into my own opinion, and as I said earlier we must all recognize this is a business, but Jimmy's arm wasn't twisted. He is the captain of his own ship. He could have shut all that down the minute he wanted to by telling his agent to shut up and sit down. I'm not buying it, particularly after his parting shots against the organization, as if he had no role in his departure. Had he (via his agent) been reasonable he'd have been a Saints for life. I'm over it, but Jimmy wasn't "merely pawn, in game of life". Agents are like lawyers. They must be managed, otherwise they'll run up your bill and screw up your life. burningmetal likes this.
	C'mon Man...

03-06-2018, 08:58 AM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,051 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Sorry, but YOU have this wrong. The NFLPA used the Graham case to try to set a precedent. Graham NEVER personally demanded WR money. Go check it out. THIS is a FACT. Graham did, however, agree, with the consent of his agent, to allow the NFLPA to use his case as a test case. By the way, the NFLPA did the exact same thing when they used Brees' situation concerning a second franchise tag by a different team. In both cases the NFLPA had the long-term good of their constituents in mind and it was about nothing but business. I cannot understand why some fans take these type of issues so personally. It makes no sense. The teams and the players know better. I am far from infallible. Maybe I do need to dig deeper - and I will. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

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