Goodbye Tackle Football?

Barry from MS · 03-29-2018, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Forget this new rule for second ... I still don't know what the hell a catch is anymore in the NFL .

Don't worry bout getting to know it too well. In a few years the QB will be allowed to call a "safe space timeout" during play so he can walk the ball anywhere on the field & hand it to the receiver.

Beastmode · 03-29-2018, 11:47 AM

Two hand touch on the back with sensors. Force indicates YAC. Too light and 20 YAC. Helmets covered in re-purposed bed springs.

Injuries go down and a plus for the environment.

CheramieIII · 03-29-2018, 12:13 PM

I will watch the two new football leagues

Euphoria · 03-29-2018, 12:16 PM

I think a lot of you are getting the whole thing wrong.

There are not that many tackles these days leading with the head. Enough that those can be eliminated or coached up to stop that nonesense. When you lead with your helmet you are purposely trying to hurt someone and knock them out of the game. When you do that I think the tackler should be removed from the game if he hurts someone because that isn't fair... Knock your star out and he can stay and play??? I think its fair play to remove the offender.

Usualy it is the dirty players that are doing this...

I know injuries are apart of the game but some of it is just ridiculous and uncalled for. These players should know how to tackle at this level.

SmashMouth · 03-29-2018, 12:38 PM

How big a deal is the new NFL rule outlawing lowering the head to initiate contact with the helmet? A very big deal.

Although we’re still waiting on specific examples of what is and is not a penalty, suffice to say that the penalty is going to make significant changes to the sport of football. The league office tells PFT that a USA Today report that the competition committee found fewer than 10 examples of plays from last year that would have been penalties under the new rule is incorrect. Instead, the league pointed us to comments from committee chair Rich McKay, who said the new rule will make a major difference.

“It’s a substantial change,” McKay said. “Lowering their head, creating a different spine angle, and delivering a blow . . . we need to protect all players at all times and say that technique is not allowed. So if you lower your head to initiate contact and you initiate, it’s a foul. . . . It’s one of the most dangerous techniques there is, but yet we’ve allowed it to creep in and it’s now very prevalent. And we need to get it out. And we’re not going to get it out by saying, ‘We need to teach it better,’ we’re going to get it out by penalizing it.”

NFL vows lowering helmet rule will be “a substantial change” to the sport – ProFootballTalk

SmashMouth · 03-29-2018, 12:48 PM

Is this all part of the cheating by Goodell?

Keep grey areas and lie in order to fix games?

foreverfan · 03-29-2018, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by darksoul35

It keeps getting worse.

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Can't wait for the XFL.

RENAME THE NFL THE PFL...

The GFF League is looking mighty good.

If she is the center, does anybody want to be the QB coach?

burningmetal · 03-29-2018, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I think a lot of you are getting the whole thing wrong.

There are not that many tackles these days leading with the head. Enough that those can be eliminated or coached up to stop that nonesense. When you lead with your helmet you are purposely trying to hurt someone and knock them out of the game. When you do that I think the tackler should be removed from the game if he hurts someone because that isn't fair... Knock your star out and he can stay and play??? I think its fair play to remove the offender.

Usualy it is the dirty players that are doing this...

I know injuries are apart of the game but some of it is just ridiculous and uncalled for. These players should know how to tackle at this level.

There are a TON of tackles leading with the head. I don't know why players do this, but they do.

But there are times when guys are just trying to make a normal tackle and the runner/receiver lowers HIS head and it suddenly becomes a helmet to helmet hit. These things happen very quickly, and guys get flagged for it.

If you are launching yourself head-first, then you deserve a penalty. All of the other contact is not worth a penalty, in my opinion. And you can flag players all you want to, but they will not change. They have never changed. The only thing that ever changes is the amount of flags thrown, because of the increase in "protective" rules.

Rugby Saint II · 03-29-2018, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Rugby seems to do OK.

https://youtu.be/7gWYwo_KG2U

https://youtu.be/sj7v5bLmWlQ

Thanks for sharing Smash.

*Here's the deal with the low injuries to the head that cause concussion and neck injuries.........Rugby has tightened up their protocol tremendously for safety at the tackle. No more head hunting is allowed.

Too bad.....in the 70's and 80's I played with a nasty streak. Each team was allowed one sub. If you took out two players then you gained the advantage. I was down right border line dirty.........but it was legal at the time. I was an intimidator and enforcer. Of course I was also one of the smaller players early on. Although, that was then and this is now......

No tackle is allowed above the arm pit. EVER!
Every tackler must wrap with the shoulder to make a tackle. If he doesn't then it's a penalty.....do it twice and a red card is issued.
You can not lift a player off the ground to tackle him anymore.
You can not hit a player in the air that is jumping for the ball.
No more dump tackles. His shoulders shoulder never hit the ground before his hips do.
You can not grab a player by the jersey and sling him down. You must wrap him up with your shoulder and take him to the ground.

There is no first down in rugby......so a small territorial advantage doesn't really effect the game when a player falls forward the length of his body. We use the slide tackle a lot. Start the tackle at the navel and slide down and wrap his ankles. He's not going anywhere.

Goal line tackling is different.....and that is where good rugby players excel! We get low and tackle with our shoulder while driving the ball carrier up and back! The key is to tackle with your shoulder not your helmet!

This new tackle with your helmet tight to your shoulder pads introduced by the NFL is idiotic and is going to create more concussions!

Edit: If ya'll are looking for a good sport then women's rugby is awesome to watch and referee.

vpheughan · 03-29-2018, 04:25 PM

THE XFL:The players will have to learn to stamp their foot as they make a tackle and the bench will be replaced by folding chairs! The day before the game the head coaches will have a "press conference" and threaten / posture like they are about to beat the hell out of each other!

The one saving "GRACE" will be a PAIR of "DOWN GIRLS" (4 downs, two Down Girls, you do the math)

03-29-2018, 11:34 AM	#11
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Goodbye Tackle Football? Originally Posted by K Major Forget this new rule for second ... I still don't know what the hell a catch is anymore in the NFL . Don't worry bout getting to know it too well. In a few years the QB will be allowed to call a "safe space timeout" during play so he can walk the ball anywhere on the field & hand it to the receiver. jnormand, frydaddy and K Major like this.

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03-29-2018, 12:13 PM	#13
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03-29-2018, 12:16 PM	#14
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Goodbye Tackle Football? I think a lot of you are getting the whole thing wrong. There are not that many tackles these days leading with the head. Enough that those can be eliminated or coached up to stop that nonesense. When you lead with your helmet you are purposely trying to hurt someone and knock them out of the game. When you do that I think the tackler should be removed from the game if he hurts someone because that isn't fair... Knock your star out and he can stay and play??? I think its fair play to remove the offender. Usualy it is the dirty players that are doing this... I know injuries are apart of the game but some of it is just ridiculous and uncalled for. These players should know how to tackle at this level. Rugby Saint II and Thirty3 like this.
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03-29-2018, 12:38 PM	#15
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Goodbye Tackle Football? How big a deal is the new NFL rule outlawing lowering the head to initiate contact with the helmet? A very big deal. Although we’re still waiting on specific examples of what is and is not a penalty, suffice to say that the penalty is going to make significant changes to the sport of football. The league office tells PFT that a USA Today report that the competition committee found fewer than 10 examples of plays from last year that would have been penalties under the new rule is incorrect. Instead, the league pointed us to comments from committee chair Rich McKay, who said the new rule will make a major difference. “It’s a substantial change,” McKay said. “Lowering their head, creating a different spine angle, and delivering a blow . . . we need to protect all players at all times and say that technique is not allowed. So if you lower your head to initiate contact and you initiate, it’s a foul. . . . It’s one of the most dangerous techniques there is, but yet we’ve allowed it to creep in and it’s now very prevalent. And we need to get it out. And we’re not going to get it out by saying, ‘We need to teach it better,’ we’re going to get it out by penalizing it.” NFL vows lowering helmet rule will be “a substantial change” to the sport – ProFootballTalk

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03-29-2018, 12:48 PM	#16
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Goodbye Tackle Football? Is this all part of the cheating by Goodell? Keep grey areas and lie in order to fix games?

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foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Goodbye Tackle Football? Originally Posted by darksoul35 It keeps getting worse. Originally Posted by MatthewT Can't wait for the XFL. RENAME THE NFL THE PFL... The GFF League is looking mighty good. If she is the center, does anybody want to be the QB coach? MatthewT, SmashMouth and K Major like this.
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03-29-2018, 01:29 PM	#18
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Goodbye Tackle Football? Originally Posted by Euphoria I think a lot of you are getting the whole thing wrong. There are not that many tackles these days leading with the head. Enough that those can be eliminated or coached up to stop that nonesense. When you lead with your helmet you are purposely trying to hurt someone and knock them out of the game. When you do that I think the tackler should be removed from the game if he hurts someone because that isn't fair... Knock your star out and he can stay and play??? I think its fair play to remove the offender. Usualy it is the dirty players that are doing this... I know injuries are apart of the game but some of it is just ridiculous and uncalled for. These players should know how to tackle at this level. There are a TON of tackles leading with the head. I don't know why players do this, but they do. But there are times when guys are just trying to make a normal tackle and the runner/receiver lowers HIS head and it suddenly becomes a helmet to helmet hit. These things happen very quickly, and guys get flagged for it. If you are launching yourself head-first, then you deserve a penalty. All of the other contact is not worth a penalty, in my opinion. And you can flag players all you want to, but they will not change. They have never changed. The only thing that ever changes is the amount of flags thrown, because of the increase in "protective" rules. jnormand and K Major like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

03-29-2018, 01:52 PM	#19
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Goodbye Tackle Football? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Rugby seems to do OK. https://youtu.be/7gWYwo_KG2U https://youtu.be/sj7v5bLmWlQ Thanks for sharing Smash. Here's the deal with the low injuries to the head that cause concussion and neck injuries.........Rugby has tightened up their protocol tremendously for safety at the tackle. No more head hunting is allowed. Too bad.....in the 70's and 80's I played with a nasty streak. Each team was allowed one sub. If you took out two players then you gained the advantage. I was down right border line dirty.........but it was legal at the time. I was an intimidator and enforcer.* Of course I was also one of the smaller players early on. Although, that was then and this is now...... No tackle is allowed above the arm pit. EVER! Every tackler must wrap with the shoulder to make a tackle. If he doesn't then it's a penalty.....do it twice and a red card is issued. You can not lift a player off the ground to tackle him anymore. You can not hit a player in the air that is jumping for the ball. No more dump tackles. His shoulders shoulder never hit the ground before his hips do. You can not grab a player by the jersey and sling him down. You must wrap him up with your shoulder and take him to the ground. There is no first down in rugby......so a small territorial advantage doesn't really effect the game when a player falls forward the length of his body. We use the slide tackle a lot. Start the tackle at the navel and slide down and wrap his ankles. He's not going anywhere. Goal line tackling is different.....and that is where good rugby players excel! We get low and tackle with our shoulder while driving the ball carrier up and back! The key is to tackle with your shoulder not your helmet! This new tackle with your helmet tight to your shoulder pads introduced by the NFL is idiotic and is going to create more concussions! Edit: If ya'll are looking for a good sport then women's rugby is awesome to watch and referee. SmashMouth likes this.
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03-29-2018, 04:25 PM	#20
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