DT Corey Simon available now?

ssmitty · 04-25-2005, 04:15 PM

convince me that we need a washed up pro bowler for a little less money please.................smitty

JKool · 04-25-2005, 04:36 PM

Well ssmitty, while I agree with you that Simon\'s contract would have to be worked out first, I don\'t see how you can complain about his skills and experience.

At least, as a DT, he\'d be on the field more than Howard will be. Isn\'t that enough of an argument. Howard didn\'t help us stop the run last year, Simon (even if he is on the decline) would.

saintswhodi · 04-25-2005, 04:44 PM

smitty. huh? How is Corey Simon washed up? He is 28, and a stud. He has only been in the league 5 years and has missed 2 games his whole career, as opposed to Howard\'s what 11 or so the last two? Seriously? corey Simon washed up? Wow.

ssmitty · 04-25-2005, 04:52 PM

now where did i hear or read he was 31? misprint? my mistake? maybe both? i\'d like to use a life line please.......i\'d like to call my dad.................
now, while i see the need, the money is still an issue.........
is\'nt that what it\'s all about?
how can you justify spending what we don\'t have?
how can we? stalemate?

saintswhodi · 04-25-2005, 04:59 PM

I feel like I am repeating myself. We don\'t have the money for HOWARD, cause he is a luxury. We are in no need of another starting DE. We are CRAVING a starting DT. Simon is a pro bowler and cheaper. Last I heard, his cap figure is like 5.1 mil, not 6. Howard\'s is 7.8. Math takes us to a difference of 2.7 mil just in the trade alone. Even if his figure is 6, which I don\'t think it is, that\'s a difference of 1.8 mil LESS at a position of much greater need. I don\'t see what the problem is with that. Grant had a half sack less than Howard, but WAY more tackles. Smith had more fumble forces, and had 7.5 sacks himself.

Here\'s the difference Corey Simon makes. Remember Trotter went to Washington? Everyone said he was washed up and the Redsking wasted their money and so on. Truth was, Redskign had no DTs to occupy blockers and let Trotter run free. He goes back to the Eagles at a minimal salary, and in 8 games as the starter makes the Pro Bowl, cause Corey Simon is occupying the line and freeing him up to make plays. That is the strongest case for Simon I can see, besides the lower cap hit and him being a pro bowler, and not being injured.

saintsfan1313 · 04-25-2005, 05:03 PM

Word saintswhodi, word

ssmitty · 04-25-2005, 05:07 PM

ok, you sold me............
i\'ll take trotter at minimal salary................smitty

saintswhodi · 04-25-2005, 05:19 PM

Thanks smitty, I would appreciate if next time before I try to explain my feelings on a matter you let me know up front it won\'t make a difference.

papz · 04-25-2005, 05:47 PM

Actually the deal makes sense for both teams but Howard wants an extension. As does Simon, Hollis Thomas (there other DT), Owens... Eagles don\'t want to give large contracts out to Simon and Thomas, so why would they want to give one to Howard? But you never know, I would love to have Simon here... or Thomas.

mutineer10 · 04-25-2005, 05:55 PM

Simply as a matter of \"need,\" I\'m in support of the (theoretical) trade. Most agree Will Smith is ready to start, even if he\'s not reached Howard\'s calibre quite yet, and he draws less water against the overall cap.

There\'s also little disagreement that DT remains a question mark. Sure, Sully might stop up - would be super if he does - but we have no evidence that will be the case. Thus, DT remains a \"need,\" with no clear players ready to step up. Simon is a fine DT and could take over immediately if said trade were to take place.

Conclusion #1: DT is a bigger need than DE.

Financially, we can argue all day about cap numbers. We often do. As it stands, barring some sort of long term deal (which is rumored to have been proposed), Howard stands to pull down $7.8 Million dollars this season alone. See whodi\'s post above for related math.

If you wanna go the \"restructure Howard\'s contract\" route, what\'s keeping us from doing the same with Simon\'s? Dollars and sense, as you may...

Conclusion #2: Financially, Simon makes as much (if not obviously MORE) sense than Howard, not to mention fitting a more pressing \"need\" per above.

Not trying to incite more arguing, just not sure I understand the objections unless the consensus is that Simon is truly \"washed up.\"

By the way, per NFL.com, Simon is 28 years old...

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187398

[Edited on 25/4/2005 by mutineer10]

04-25-2005, 04:15 PM	#11
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04-25-2005, 04:36 PM	#12
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	DT Corey Simon available now? Well ssmitty, while I agree with you that Simon\'s contract would have to be worked out first, I don\'t see how you can complain about his skills and experience. At least, as a DT, he\'d be on the field more than Howard will be. Isn\'t that enough of an argument. Howard didn\'t help us stop the run last year, Simon (even if he is on the decline) would.

04-25-2005, 04:44 PM	#13
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	DT Corey Simon available now? smitty. huh? How is Corey Simon washed up? He is 28, and a stud. He has only been in the league 5 years and has missed 2 games his whole career, as opposed to Howard\'s what 11 or so the last two? Seriously? corey Simon washed up? Wow.

04-25-2005, 04:52 PM	#14
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	DT Corey Simon available now? now where did i hear or read he was 31? misprint? my mistake? maybe both? i\'d like to use a life line please.......i\'d like to call my dad................. now, while i see the need, the money is still an issue......... is\'nt that what it\'s all about? how can you justify spending what we don\'t have? how can we? stalemate?
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04-25-2005, 04:59 PM	#15
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	DT Corey Simon available now? I feel like I am repeating myself. We don\'t have the money for HOWARD, cause he is a luxury. We are in no need of another starting DE. We are CRAVING a starting DT. Simon is a pro bowler and cheaper. Last I heard, his cap figure is like 5.1 mil, not 6. Howard\'s is 7.8. Math takes us to a difference of 2.7 mil just in the trade alone. Even if his figure is 6, which I don\'t think it is, that\'s a difference of 1.8 mil LESS at a position of much greater need. I don\'t see what the problem is with that. Grant had a half sack less than Howard, but WAY more tackles. Smith had more fumble forces, and had 7.5 sacks himself. Here\'s the difference Corey Simon makes. Remember Trotter went to Washington? Everyone said he was washed up and the Redsking wasted their money and so on. Truth was, Redskign had no DTs to occupy blockers and let Trotter run free. He goes back to the Eagles at a minimal salary, and in 8 games as the starter makes the Pro Bowl, cause Corey Simon is occupying the line and freeing him up to make plays. That is the strongest case for Simon I can see, besides the lower cap hit and him being a pro bowler, and not being injured.

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	DT Corey Simon available now? Thanks smitty, I would appreciate if next time before I try to explain my feelings on a matter you let me know up front it won\'t make a difference.

04-25-2005, 05:47 PM	#19
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	DT Corey Simon available now? Actually the deal makes sense for both teams but Howard wants an extension. As does Simon, Hollis Thomas (there other DT), Owens... Eagles don\'t want to give large contracts out to Simon and Thomas, so why would they want to give one to Howard? But you never know, I would love to have Simon here... or Thomas.

04-25-2005, 05:55 PM	#20
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	DT Corey Simon available now? Simply as a matter of \"need,\" I\'m in support of the (theoretical) trade. Most agree Will Smith is ready to start, even if he\'s not reached Howard\'s calibre quite yet, and he draws less water against the overall cap. There\'s also little disagreement that DT remains a question mark. Sure, Sully might stop up - would be super if he does - but we have no evidence that will be the case. Thus, DT remains a \"need,\" with no clear players ready to step up. Simon is a fine DT and could take over immediately if said trade were to take place. Conclusion #1: DT is a bigger need than DE. Financially, we can argue all day about cap numbers. We often do. As it stands, barring some sort of long term deal (which is rumored to have been proposed), Howard stands to pull down $7.8 Million dollars this season alone. See whodi\'s post above for related math. If you wanna go the \"restructure Howard\'s contract\" route, what\'s keeping us from doing the same with Simon\'s? Dollars and sense, as you may... Conclusion #2: Financially, Simon makes as much (if not obviously MORE) sense than Howard, not to mention fitting a more pressing \"need\" per above. Not trying to incite more arguing, just not sure I understand the objections unless the consensus is that Simon is truly \"washed up.\" By the way, per NFL.com, Simon is 28 years old... http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187398 [Edited on 25/4/2005 by mutineer10]