Wanna Trade Down?

saintfan · 04-14-2018, 06:39 PM

New Orleans Saints fans are fanatical in their hope for a trade down. It’s their great hope, the white whale to their insane Captain Ahab. Every day they ask me on Twitter if the Saints will trade down out of the 27th-overall pick. Every time I mention a prospect worth looking at for that pick or drop a new mock draft, trading down is the suggestion.

My frustration with this is that it’s not up to the Saints whether they trade down. Each of the last few years they’ve been open to it but couldn’t find any offers, at least not early in the draft. It’s just not their M.O.

So what would it take for that course to change in 2018? To find out, I’ve highlighted three players who would need to be available at the Saints’ first round pick for other teams to ask about trading places. Let’s dive in:

https://www.canalstreetchronicles.co...-mason-rudolph

Cruize · 04-15-2018, 08:53 AM

An impact player will be available at #27. The Saints can use that at WR, DE, LB, S, DT, and OL. If anything they will be trading up.

AsylumGuido · 04-15-2018, 09:04 AM

I haven't been hearing much at all about trading down. I think John Sigler is full of crap on that. He just wanted an angle for the article.

Barry from MS · 04-15-2018, 12:15 PM

Yes, lotta talent in the 2nd Round.

If we trade down, grab their 2018 2nd Rd & 2019's 1st or 2nd. Not 100% on the trade pick algorithms, but having two 2019 1st Rd or two 2nd Rd picks plus getting back our 2018 2nd Rd pick would be amazing. Who could we fleece with that deal?

But stay put if the 2 top DT's or those top DE's are available. If we trade up, I will vomit.

jeanpierre · 04-15-2018, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Yes, lotta talent in the 2nd Round.

If we trade down, grab their 2018 2nd Rd & 2019's 1st or 2nd. Not 100% on the trade pick algorithms, but having two 2019 1st Rd or two 2nd Rd picks plus getting back our 2018 2nd Rd pick would be amazing. Who could we fleece with that deal?

But stay put if the 2 top DT's or those top DE's are available. If we trade up, I will vomit.

2018 Trade Chart - New Orleans Saints

hitta · 04-15-2018, 03:57 PM

TBH, I can see scenarios where we trade up and trade down that I'd be on board with. It just depends on how the draft unfolds. We're kind of in that spot on the draft board where you can lean in either direction and be fine as the talent starts to equal out and it becomes like a pool of potentially good players.

Barry from MS · 04-15-2018, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

2018 Trade Chart - New Orleans Saints

A spreadsheet, of course. Adding it to Favorites. Thanks much.

For what it's worth, we've got 945.6 value points for our whole draft & we could move up to 17th/18th overall if we trade our entire draft. But I think that nonsensical tomfoolery has been done before...

Rugby Saint II · 04-15-2018, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

TBH, I can see scenarios where we trade up and trade down that I'd be on board with. It just depends on how the draft unfolds. We're kind of in that spot on the draft board where you can lean in either direction and be fine as the talent starts to equal out and it becomes like a pool of potentially good players.

The only way I see us trading up would be to get ahead of Carolina and Atlanta to get a single player we covet. But I think there should still be a good cloud of players with equal grades and we could stay in place and go BPA with the 27th pick. If anything we might use some later draft picks as collateral to move up into the second round for another player we covet.

However, there are supposedly some good players in the middle rounds where we have enough ammo to get a few good picks. Although it's hard to imagine getting any immediate contribution from players in the fifth round down. We could get lucky with an O-lineman later in the draft from a small school that could get meaningful snaps if needed.

Still, I want to draft O-line in the first round where you get five years and you protect Drew. We have the dominant line that we've wanted because we continue to invest heavily at the position.

ChrisXVI · 04-15-2018, 07:19 PM

I’m thinking trade up two spots to jump ahead of Atlanta for DT Taven Bryan if he’s still available when Tennessee’s on the clock. We swung and missed on Suh and Wilkerson in free agency and Taven Bryan brings the nasty like a much more raw Suh.

04-14-2018, 06:39 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Wanna Trade Down? New Orleans Saints fans are fanatical in their hope for a trade down. It’s their great hope, the white whale to their insane Captain Ahab. Every day they ask me on Twitter if the Saints will trade down out of the 27th-overall pick. Every time I mention a prospect worth looking at for that pick or drop a new mock draft, trading down is the suggestion. My frustration with this is that it’s not up to the Saints whether they trade down. Each of the last few years they’ve been open to it but couldn’t find any offers, at least not early in the draft. It’s just not their M.O. So what would it take for that course to change in 2018? To find out, I’ve highlighted three players who would need to be available at the Saints’ first round pick for other teams to ask about trading places. Let’s dive in: https://www.canalstreetchronicles.co...-mason-rudolph

04-15-2018, 08:53 AM	#2
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: Wanna Trade Down? An impact player will be available at #27. The Saints can use that at WR, DE, LB, S, DT, and OL. If anything they will be trading up.
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04-15-2018, 09:04 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,149	Re: Wanna Trade Down? I haven't been hearing much at all about trading down. I think John Sigler is full of crap on that. He just wanted an angle for the article. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Wanna Trade Down? Yes, lotta talent in the 2nd Round. If we trade down, grab their 2018 2nd Rd & 2019's 1st or 2nd. Not 100% on the trade pick algorithms, but having two 2019 1st Rd or two 2nd Rd picks plus getting back our 2018 2nd Rd pick would be amazing. Who could we fleece with that deal? But stay put if the 2 top DT's or those top DE's are available. If we trade up, I will vomit.

04-15-2018, 01:43 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Wanna Trade Down? Originally Posted by Barry from MS Yes, lotta talent in the 2nd Round. If we trade down, grab their 2018 2nd Rd & 2019's 1st or 2nd. Not 100% on the trade pick algorithms, but having two 2019 1st Rd or two 2nd Rd picks plus getting back our 2018 2nd Rd pick would be amazing. Who could we fleece with that deal? But stay put if the 2 top DT's or those top DE's are available. If we trade up, I will vomit. 2018 Trade Chart - New Orleans Saints

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04-15-2018, 04:21 PM	#7
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Wanna Trade Down? Originally Posted by jeanpierre 2018 Trade Chart - New Orleans Saints A spreadsheet, of course. Adding it to Favorites. Thanks much. For what it's worth, we've got 945.6 value points for our whole draft & we could move up to 17th/18th overall if we trade our entire draft. But I think that nonsensical tomfoolery has been done before... K Major likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,044	Re: Wanna Trade Down? Originally Posted by hitta TBH, I can see scenarios where we trade up and trade down that I'd be on board with. It just depends on how the draft unfolds. We're kind of in that spot on the draft board where you can lean in either direction and be fine as the talent starts to equal out and it becomes like a pool of potentially good players. The only way I see us trading up would be to get ahead of Carolina and Atlanta to get a single player we covet. But I think there should still be a good cloud of players with equal grades and we could stay in place and go BPA with the 27th pick. If anything we might use some later draft picks as collateral to move up into the second round for another player we covet. However, there are supposedly some good players in the middle rounds where we have enough ammo to get a few good picks. Although it's hard to imagine getting any immediate contribution from players in the fifth round down. We could get lucky with an O-lineman later in the draft from a small school that could get meaningful snaps if needed. Still, I want to draft O-line in the first round where you get five years and you protect Drew. We have the dominant line that we've wanted because we continue to invest heavily at the position.
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04-15-2018, 07:19 PM	#9
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Wanna Trade Down? I’m thinking trade up two spots to jump ahead of Atlanta for DT Taven Bryan if he’s still available when Tennessee’s on the clock. We swung and missed on Suh and Wilkerson in free agency and Taven Bryan brings the nasty like a much more raw Suh.

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