Fleener Dead Cap

TheOak · 04-30-2018, 07:25 PM

This is how Fleener leaving the team this year would break out. If designated a Post June 1 cut his roster spot may have more value than his cap hit split between two years.

Pre-6/1 Release
2018 Dead Cap: $8,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $-200,000

Pre-6/1 Trade
2018 Dead Cap: $4,800,000
2018 Cap Savings: $3,200,000

Post-6/1 Release
2018 Dead Cap: $5,000,000
2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $3,000,000

Post-6/1 Trade
2018 Dead Cap: $1,600,000
2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $6,400,000

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2018, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

This is how Fleener leaving the team this year would break out. If designated a Post June 1 cut his roster spot may have more value than his cap hit split between two years.

Pre-6/1 Release
2018 Dead Cap: $8,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $-200,000

Pre-6/1 Trade
2018 Dead Cap: $4,800,000
2018 Cap Savings: $3,200,000

Post-6/1 Release
2018 Dead Cap: $5,000,000
2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $3,000,000

Post-6/1 Trade
2018 Dead Cap: $1,600,000
2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $6,400,000

Trying to make sense out of this statement. If Fleener is released the cap hit is $8.2 million regardless of release date. Either all in 2018 or $3.2 million carried over to the 2019 cap. So you are trying to say that his vacated roster spot would be worth $8.2 million in dead cap PLUS whatever contracted amount is allocated to his replacement, correct? That would only make sense if his replacement was worth more on the field than Fleener's dead cap hit PLUS whatever contracted amount said replacement commands.

Therefore, to make this worthwhile he would have to be markedly better than Fleener and additionally better than any other player his additionally allocated salary also offset.

Sorry, that makes no financial sense and is exactly why it won't happen. Flleener isn't going anywhere this season, like it or not.

TheOak · 05-07-2018, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Trying to make sense out of this statement. If Fleener is released the cap hit is $8.2 million regardless of release date. Either all in 2018 or $3.2 million carried over to the 2019 cap. So you are trying to say that his vacated roster spot would be worth $8.2 million in dead cap PLUS whatever contracted amount is allocated to his replacement, correct? That would only make sense if his replacement was worth more on the field than Fleener's dead cap hit PLUS whatever contracted amount said replacement commands.

Therefore, to make this worthwhile he would have to be markedly better than Fleener and additionally better than any other player his additionally allocated salary also offset.

Sorry, that makes no financial sense and is exactly why it won't happen. Flleener isn't going anywhere this season, like it or not.

I said 'roster spot', not replacement... huge difference. Roster spot can be a RB if someone goes down, or OL. Is his place on the 53 better served being occupied by a an overpaid TE or a fill in for any replacement player at a position of need?

As far as your comment on financial sense... You mean like Byrds contract? What you are saying is "exactly why it wont happen" is exactly what they did with Will Smith except Smith was 8.5M, perhaps resurrecting the hit from Junior Gallette's release will resonate.

I made no statements about liking or not liking anything, I just provided the math and a comment. Take a breath, its Fleener, nothing personal.

TheOak · 05-07-2018, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Flleener isn't going anywhere this season, like it or not.

Umm... I just saw this. How do you like your pie?

Saints release Coby Fleener – ProFootballTalk

04-30-2018, 07:25 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Fleener Dead Cap This is how Fleener leaving the team this year would break out. If designated a Post June 1 cut his roster spot may have more value than his cap hit split between two years. Pre-6/1 Release 2018 Dead Cap: $8,200,000 2018 Cap Savings: $-200,000 Pre-6/1 Trade 2018 Dead Cap: $4,800,000 2018 Cap Savings: $3,200,000 Post-6/1 Release 2018 Dead Cap: $5,000,000 2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000 2018 Cap Savings: $3,000,000 Post-6/1 Trade 2018 Dead Cap: $1,600,000 2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000 2018 Cap Savings: $6,400,000 SmashMouth likes this.
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04-30-2018, 10:15 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,766	Re: Fleener Dead Cap Originally Posted by TheOak This is how Fleener leaving the team this year would break out. If designated a Post June 1 cut his roster spot may have more value than his cap hit split between two years. Pre-6/1 Release 2018 Dead Cap: $8,200,000 2018 Cap Savings: $-200,000 Pre-6/1 Trade 2018 Dead Cap: $4,800,000 2018 Cap Savings: $3,200,000 Post-6/1 Release 2018 Dead Cap: $5,000,000 2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000 2018 Cap Savings: $3,000,000 Post-6/1 Trade 2018 Dead Cap: $1,600,000 2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000 2018 Cap Savings: $6,400,000 Trying to make sense out of this statement. If Fleener is released the cap hit is $8.2 million regardless of release date. Either all in 2018 or $3.2 million carried over to the 2019 cap. So you are trying to say that his vacated roster spot would be worth $8.2 million in dead cap PLUS whatever contracted amount is allocated to his replacement, correct? That would only make sense if his replacement was worth more on the field than Fleener's dead cap hit PLUS whatever contracted amount said replacement commands. Therefore, to make this worthwhile he would have to be markedly better than Fleener and additionally better than any other player his additionally allocated salary also offset. Sorry, that makes no financial sense and is exactly why it won't happen. Flleener isn't going anywhere this season, like it or not.
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05-07-2018, 06:34 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Fleener Dead Cap Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Trying to make sense out of this statement. If Fleener is released the cap hit is $8.2 million regardless of release date. Either all in 2018 or $3.2 million carried over to the 2019 cap. So you are trying to say that his vacated roster spot would be worth $8.2 million in dead cap PLUS whatever contracted amount is allocated to his replacement, correct? That would only make sense if his replacement was worth more on the field than Fleener's dead cap hit PLUS whatever contracted amount said replacement commands. Therefore, to make this worthwhile he would have to be markedly better than Fleener and additionally better than any other player his additionally allocated salary also offset. Sorry, that makes no financial sense and is exactly why it won't happen. Flleener isn't going anywhere this season, like it or not. I said 'roster spot', not replacement... huge difference. Roster spot can be a RB if someone goes down, or OL. Is his place on the 53 better served being occupied by a an overpaid TE or a fill in for any replacement player at a position of need? As far as your comment on financial sense... You mean like Byrds contract? What you are saying is "exactly why it wont happen" is exactly what they did with Will Smith except Smith was 8.5M, perhaps resurrecting the hit from Junior Gallette's release will resonate. I made no statements about liking or not liking anything, I just provided the math and a comment. Take a breath, its Fleener, nothing personal.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

05-07-2018, 06:35 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Fleener Dead Cap Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Flleener isn't going anywhere this season, like it or not. Umm... I just saw this. How do you like your pie? Saints release Coby Fleener – ProFootballTalk

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