article on AM..with some interesting data on brooks..

blackwidows · 04-26-2005, 08:52 PM

I would not be so sure about Brooks losing his job to mcpherson. I think the fifth round was insurance in two things. 1 to get Brooks more poised and less secure about losing his job. Secondly this could be Brooks last year if he messes up this year.

[Edited on 27/4/2005 by blackwidows]

BrooksMustGo · 04-26-2005, 10:25 PM

I\'m not sure that being taken in the 5th round is really pertinent to our discussion. You guys all saw the commercial on Tom Brady that ran on every break during the draft. Too skinny, no ability, taken in the 6th round, and now the proud owner of 3 super bowl rings.

It doesn\'t seem too crazy to me that McPherson\'s draft status was totally linked to a criminal conviction. Teams were skittish of him solely because of his off the field problems. Even as things are, he still rated out as a top 10 or maybe even a top 5 prospect at his position (depending on whose ratings you\'re looking at). McPherson\'s fall to round 5 has nothing to do with his talent or ability. It is arguable, but I choose to believe that if McPherson had followed the rules at FSU, he might be looking for a cool new house in San Francisco right now.

As for his off the field trouble, I hope that he\'s grown up. I hope that he\'s not a compulsive gambler. I hope that the article Pat Kirwan wrote about him for nfl.com indicates that he\'s grown up and taken responsibility for himself. http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8235286 It strikes me that McPherson has been at the very top based on his raw ability and lost it all. Having the opportunity to start at FSU was one of the top 5 best college QB gigs in the whole country at the time. Losing it all and having no one to blame but the man in the mirror has to be a serious wake up call. I hope that McPherson can make the best of a second chance that really wasn\'t a sure thing.

Where I\'m most excited is that McPherson is easily the most exciting QB prospect we\'ve ever had at the QB position. To run a 4.5, throw 70 yards flat footed and get more accurate the harder he throws--guys that\'s Elway kind of territory in terms of pure athleticism.

He can throw the ball further than Brooks. With a wonderlic of 26, he\'s smarter than Brooks. With his failure at FSU, I imagine he\'s got less ego than Brooks. He TD to Int ratio in the area league suggests that he protects the football better than Brooks.

I\'m not saying he\'s the next Johnny U or anything, but he has the chance to be very special. I just want to see if he can make the most of that chance. I also hope that the guy who gives us the best chance to win is the guy who actually makes it under center. He might be nothing special, but then he might be the next Tom Brady. I\'m looking forward to see what the kid can do.

cardboardboxer · 04-27-2005, 12:27 AM

I\'m not saying he\'s the next Johnny U or anything, but he has the chance to be very special. I just want to see if he can make the most of that chance. I also hope that the guy who gives us the best chance to win is the guy who actually makes it under center. He might be nothing special, but then he might be the next Tom Brady. I\'m looking forward to see what the kid can do.

I like your attitude...

ssmitty · 04-27-2005, 05:49 AM

Good find Baron. An interesting read.

This has been puzzling me lately:

NFL contract will cure him of any gambling urges.

People do understand that a gambling problem isn\'t about how much money you have, right? If he truly has a gambling problem, that, I promise you, will not go away thanks to having more money. So, unless he was gambling because he was cash strapped, I don\'t see any reason to believe this kind of comment.

yes, jk, gambling is an addiction if you\'re a true gambler.
just like a junkie needs his fix.........
i would tend to think since we have\'nt heard anything negative about him since all this took place that he was cash strapped and probably thought he could get away with it because of his status.....everyone not only deserves a 2nd chance, but a 3rd, 4th, and 5th as well...........to me, this is 3-fold right now......1) either someone who loves him with connections is very, very good about hiding the fact for now that he still has problems or 2) he has himself become extremely good at hiding these problems himself or 3) he has straightened up and we\'ll see where this 2nd chance takes him.
as far as him replacing brooks, i think the system has another yr to justify itself and then the sheeet hits the fan.....smitty

TheDeuce · 04-27-2005, 08:38 AM

I really think that the reason for his gambling problems were a product of his being treated like a god and being able to do whatever he wanted without taking any kind of responsibility. But don\'t believe me, believe AMac:

\"The situation back then was I was just so used to people doing everything for me,\" McPherson said. \"I just kind of figured I could do what I wanted to do.\"

\"Now I think everything out,\" McPherson said. \"Before I do anything I think about what could possibly happen and the consequences. I think it matured me a lot. It definitely made me a better person.\"

This was a poor kid who came from a place where he had nothing. With football, he could have whatever he wanted. I think he\'s learned his lesson.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...nfl&id=2045360

4saintspirit · 04-27-2005, 09:02 AM

What have we got to lose by giving him a chance -- as a 5th rounder coming from the arena league its not like he is expecting a huge signing bonus or salary -- he wants a chance to play in the NFL. So even if he turns out to be a thug we can cut him loose at any time -- But -- if he turns out to be a model citizen and is as good as people are predicting we may have something --- I cannot see any real downside having him on our team --

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-27-2005, 09:33 AM

I would not be so sure about Brooks losing his job to mcpherson. I think the fifth round was insurance in two things. 1 to get Brooks more poised and less secure about losing his job. Secondly this could be Brooks last year if he messes up this year.

BW,

As I\'ve posted elsewhere, it may be Brooks last year period due to cap considerations. The Saints will be upside down on Brooks contract after this year. It will cost them less on the cap to cut him than the keep him. So they\'ll ask him to renegotiate, or will let him go either via trade or a June 1st 2006 cut.

SFIAH

04-26-2005, 08:52 PM	#11
blackwidows 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 245	article on AM..with some interesting data on brooks.. I would not be so sure about Brooks losing his job to mcpherson. I think the fifth round was insurance in two things. 1 to get Brooks more poised and less secure about losing his job. Secondly this could be Brooks last year if he messes up this year. [Edited on 27/4/2005 by blackwidows]
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04-26-2005, 10:25 PM	#12
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	article on AM..with some interesting data on brooks.. I\'m not sure that being taken in the 5th round is really pertinent to our discussion. You guys all saw the commercial on Tom Brady that ran on every break during the draft. Too skinny, no ability, taken in the 6th round, and now the proud owner of 3 super bowl rings. It doesn\'t seem too crazy to me that McPherson\'s draft status was totally linked to a criminal conviction. Teams were skittish of him solely because of his off the field problems. Even as things are, he still rated out as a top 10 or maybe even a top 5 prospect at his position (depending on whose ratings you\'re looking at). McPherson\'s fall to round 5 has nothing to do with his talent or ability. It is arguable, but I choose to believe that if McPherson had followed the rules at FSU, he might be looking for a cool new house in San Francisco right now. As for his off the field trouble, I hope that he\'s grown up. I hope that he\'s not a compulsive gambler. I hope that the article Pat Kirwan wrote about him for nfl.com indicates that he\'s grown up and taken responsibility for himself. http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8235286 It strikes me that McPherson has been at the very top based on his raw ability and lost it all. Having the opportunity to start at FSU was one of the top 5 best college QB gigs in the whole country at the time. Losing it all and having no one to blame but the man in the mirror has to be a serious wake up call. I hope that McPherson can make the best of a second chance that really wasn\'t a sure thing. Where I\'m most excited is that McPherson is easily the most exciting QB prospect we\'ve ever had at the QB position. To run a 4.5, throw 70 yards flat footed and get more accurate the harder he throws--guys that\'s Elway kind of territory in terms of pure athleticism. He can throw the ball further than Brooks. With a wonderlic of 26, he\'s smarter than Brooks. With his failure at FSU, I imagine he\'s got less ego than Brooks. He TD to Int ratio in the area league suggests that he protects the football better than Brooks. I\'m not saying he\'s the next Johnny U or anything, but he has the chance to be very special. I just want to see if he can make the most of that chance. I also hope that the guy who gives us the best chance to win is the guy who actually makes it under center. He might be nothing special, but then he might be the next Tom Brady. I\'m looking forward to see what the kid can do.
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cardboardboxer Registered Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 65	article on AM..with some interesting data on brooks.. I\'m not saying he\'s the next Johnny U or anything, but he has the chance to be very special. I just want to see if he can make the most of that chance. I also hope that the guy who gives us the best chance to win is the guy who actually makes it under center. He might be nothing special, but then he might be the next Tom Brady. I\'m looking forward to see what the kid can do. I like your attitude...
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04-27-2005, 05:49 AM	#14
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	article on AM..with some interesting data on brooks.. Good find Baron. An interesting read. This has been puzzling me lately: NFL contract will cure him of any gambling urges. People do understand that a gambling problem isn\'t about how much money you have, right? If he truly has a gambling problem, that, I promise you, will not go away thanks to having more money. So, unless he was gambling because he was cash strapped, I don\'t see any reason to believe this kind of comment. yes, jk, gambling is an addiction if you\'re a true gambler. just like a junkie needs his fix......... i would tend to think since we have\'nt heard anything negative about him since all this took place that he was cash strapped and probably thought he could get away with it because of his status.....everyone not only deserves a 2nd chance, but a 3rd, 4th, and 5th as well...........to me, this is 3-fold right now......1) either someone who loves him with connections is very, very good about hiding the fact for now that he still has problems or 2) he has himself become extremely good at hiding these problems himself or 3) he has straightened up and we\'ll see where this 2nd chance takes him. as far as him replacing brooks, i think the system has another yr to justify itself and then the sheeet hits the fan.....smitty
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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	article on AM..with some interesting data on brooks.. I would not be so sure about Brooks losing his job to mcpherson. I think the fifth round was insurance in two things. 1 to get Brooks more poised and less secure about losing his job. Secondly this could be Brooks last year if he messes up this year. BW, As I\'ve posted elsewhere, it may be Brooks last year period due to cap considerations. The Saints will be upside down on Brooks contract after this year. It will cost them less on the cap to cut him than the keep him. So they\'ll ask him to renegotiate, or will let him go either via trade or a June 1st 2006 cut. SFIAH