saintswhodi

TheDeuce

Gumbo,

I think what myself and WhoDat have been trying to say is that we want this team to succeed above all else. I\'m pretty sure WhoDat would let me speak for him when I say that we both want very badly for the Saints to win every game they play this year. However, what I don\'t think you understand is that 8-8 is not good enough. Also, 8-8 has created a sense of complacency among the FO and Haz. They are so caught up in their own little world that they don\'t realize what needs to be done. They don\'t go out and make a difference in the FA market. They don\'t pull any trades to try and put us over the hump. They have sat still with their thumbs up their butts for the past years. THEY HAVE NO SENSE OF URGENCY. I think that is what this team is lacking, something that the great teams like the Patriots, Eagles, and other possess. You know what? That disgusts me. They think that they can just keep doing what they have been doing and things will start to go their way. Well guess what, it hasn\'t. That\'s why I believe things have to change. Teams have to be aggressive and be assertive in trying to reach their goals, not just sit back and hope it falls in their friggin laps. That\'s why the Eagles went after TO and the Patriots went and signed Corey Dillon. What have the Saints done? Nothing but say they believe in their team. Well that just shows ignorance and stupidity. The way things are obviously can\'t cut it. Things need to change. Sure it\'s risky, but you know what, if you never try, then you\'re never going to get better. The Eagles might not have made it over the hump if they hadn\'t gone out and taken some risks by signing TO and Trotter (?). They were not content with just getting to the NFC championship. Sure, for most teams that would be a great season, but they wanted to be better than that. THis is just the opposite of what the Saints have been doing, except the Saints can\'t even get to the playoffs. We are content with an 8-8 team because we \"won our last 4 games.\" The FO and Haz are leaving in a dream world. I said this in another thread but go back and look at those last four games that we won that the FO is so proud of and is so confident about that they feel we don\'t have to change anything. The Dallas game, which I attended, didn\'t go in the Saints direction until late in the 2nd half. Also, it was the Cowboys, and they sucked major arse last year. The Bucs game was a good one, but the Bucs were AWFUL last year. The Falcons didn\'t start theyre best players, so that\'s not saying much about how good we played. The Carolina actually was a good game, but it was just that, ONE game. I\'m tired of this complacency and this acceptance of mediocrity. So yes, if going 0-16 this year will bring some changes that can take us over the hump and get us to the playoffs in the next few years, then I\'m all for it. Does that make me a bad fan? NO, it makes me a smart fan, because any smart fan would be tired of 8-8 seasons and near playoff misses and being called goofy by perhaps the goofiest man alive and being known by the whole league as underachievers. I want this team to go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl, but I don\'t see this regime taking us there. We need change. Like WhoDat said, nothing risked, nothing gained.

GumboBC

WhoDat --

You think Haslett and co. need to go, right? Then why not start hoping for an 0-16 season RIGHT NOW?!

You have very little faith in Haslett and co ... RIGHT?

So, if ANYONE wished us to go 0-16 this year then they are just thinking about the best interest of the TEAM ... RIGHT?

Afterall ... Haslett has had long enough and there\'s little reason to believe we are going to do much this year ... RIGHT?

What kind of fan would I be if I wished the Saints to go 0-16 this year?

Hey, I can guarantee you that if we did go 0-16 Haslett and co. would be fired.

I could tell you going 0-16 is in the best interest of the team!!

Do you want to go 0-16??????????

I could tell you guys to put your money where your mouth is and join me in hoping we go 0-16 this year. But I have a feeling folks would tell me I\'m being silly?!

RDOX

I agree with this post, all of it, but I didn\'t want to take up the room for the entire thing. I might add one thing to this argument. My entire displeasure with the Saints is not Hazlett but Loomis. The way to make the playoffs is to have a FOOTBALL knowledgable General Manager and a Coach who have a plan and STICK TO IT. The essential problem is that this draft and all of the others were really not Hazlett\'s, but Loomis\'. We all crab about Hazlett, but he has little say in player selection.

While I do love the Saints, I, like Who Dat, and Whodi believe that there is a sickness in the upper ranks that needs curing. I\'d like to see Loomis and the entire front office sacked and bring in someone who could work with Hazlett and make him the coach with front office support. Maybe we\'d see a difference on the field. If not, then HIT THE TRAIL, HAZ!!

Flame Away!!!

WhoDat

You\'re missing the point Billy. NO ONE is suggesting that they want the team to go 0-16. NO ONE. What people are suggesting is that the Saints need to get it together and put up a winning season that ends in playoffs.

However, if that isn\'t in the cards, I\'d rather this team stink than be 8-8 again. Can you distinguish the difference. I don\'t believe Haz & Co. will get it done but that doesn\'t mean I\'m rooting for them to fail. It\'s just the opposite. I want to be surprised. But if not, I\'d rather they bomb than do just enough yet again to stick around for another 8-8 season.

You\'re making this into something that it isn\'t.

Why do you fight so hard to show that Haslett and company can put us over the hump? They\'ve done little to support that outside of their first season (hen the players and staff were different).

\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. That’s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans Saints’ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse


\"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

GumboBC

WhoDat --

I just don\'t get it, WhoDat. You\'ve stated over and over again that it isn\'t very likely Haslett will ever get us to the super bowl.

IF you truly believe that, then if I were you, I would hope that we went 0-16 THIS year so we could finally move on and get another coach. For better or worse!!

Why hope we lose the last 4 games last year and then support him at the beginning of the \'05 season? Because you HOPE Haslett can get it done this year? Well, I was HOPING we could squeak in the playoffs and make a run at the super bowl last year.

Look at it this way WhoDat .. If we start the season off 8-0 and lose the last 8 games, then we\'ll still be 8-8 and Haslett will probably keep his job.

It would be much better if we started out 0-8 then it\'s much more likely Haslett will finally be fired!!