Was it really a good move?

papz · 04-27-2005, 11:10 AM

The Panthers' top hope was that South Carolina WR Troy Williamson would somehow fall into their laps. Thomas Davis was their No. 2 target, despite teams attempting to leapfrog them for his services.

So basically we gave away a 3rd rounder? :doh:

LordOfEntropy · 04-27-2005, 11:41 AM

I believe we threw away a 3rd rounder, yeah.

-ps------

Even disregarding that, the trade is not equitable in value. The only way the trade works out fairly for the Saints is if they finish in the top 8 teams next year, no less than that. If they do not finish in the top 8, then they lost value points on the deal.

[Edited on 27/4/2005 by LordOfEntropy]

saintswhodi · 04-27-2005, 11:53 AM

Great move. :casstet:

Hopefully Brown will go to 10 pro bowls here in New Orleans before his career is over. That will help me forget.

baronm · 04-27-2005, 12:00 PM

the only problem I have with brown is that next year\'s OT class is so much better that brown would probably go in the second or third...D\'Brick, mcneil among others are coming out.

and I think Terry and roos are pretty good..that said-brow helps us now...and that is a good thing.

saintswhodi · 04-27-2005, 12:04 PM

Hey, we get a starting RT this yearm and a starting LT next year, right about when Gandy should be out of here. Of course there is the learnign curve, but Bent, Brown, Holland, Stinch, and whoever we draft would all be young. Plus, next year is deep in LBs too. We could get two immediate help players. Trying to be positive here.

LKelley67 · 04-27-2005, 02:33 PM

who would have been disappointed if they took alex barron at #16 if brown would have been gone? anyone? until a week ago barron was the consensus top OT. but i can understand after just missing on vilma/williams and roberston the year before.

that is quite a nice positive thought who. i think even if the house falls down this year that bentley and brown will stand. another top rookie with those would be a strong trench nucleus if a rebuild job at the skill positions was needed.

saintswhodi · 04-27-2005, 03:52 PM

Thanks Kell. I am trying to get over my draft shell shock and spin it a better way. You and I are always talking about what\'s best for the future of this team, well even if Haz fails miserably again next year, once he is gone the O-line will at least be a strength, and it all starts there. And we have good depth. One outstanding LT and damn, we could rival the Roaf-Turley days.

And no I would not have been mad if we had stayed put and taken Barron. But positive spin, positive spin.

TheDeuce · 04-27-2005, 03:58 PM

I really like the Brown pick, so don\'t think I am saying that but....... Khalif Barnes didn\'t get picked until the 52nd pick. So it makes me wonder if we could have selected TDavis, and then gotten Barnes later on. I know he\'s not as good as Brown, and I really am pumped to see Brown on our line next year, but everybody said before the draft that Barnes was first round material and that he could have been selected above Barron.

the Jaguars did very well to add Barnes, who has has the natural ability of a first-rounder.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...ory?id=2044572

4saintspirit · 04-27-2005, 04:14 PM

Unless we would have picked DJ we threw away the 3rd rounder. Lets face it at 16 even if someone would have picked Brown we could have gotten Barron. I know its early to speculate but I am having a hard time thinking that the difference between those 2 is a 3rd rounder. Both will make pretty good pros but only time will tell which one is the best.
On another note one constant with the Saints -- in the last few years they have neer selected the guy in the first round I wanted -- Sometimes they were right (Deuce) sometimes wrong (Sullivan). I still remember that we picked George Rodgers when we could have had LT>

JKool · 04-27-2005, 09:46 PM

I\'m not inclined to think that this is an accurate account of what the Panthers were going to do or even wanted.

Our FO thought they weren\'t going to get their guy. They gambled and went balz out to get him. I can understand being frustrated with the result, but at least they were making move to get what they wanted and thought they needed.

Papz, do you have a link for that? Is there reason to think the Panthers wouldn\'t lie. They took a long time to make that pick, that shouldn\'t have been the case if Thomas was there 2nd - he was there.

04-27-2005, 11:41 AM	#2
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Was it really a good move? I believe we threw away a 3rd rounder, yeah. -ps------ Even disregarding that, the trade is not equitable in value. The only way the trade works out fairly for the Saints is if they finish in the top 8 teams next year, no less than that. If they do not finish in the top 8, then they lost value points on the deal. [Edited on 27/4/2005 by LordOfEntropy]

04-27-2005, 11:53 AM	#3
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Was it really a good move? Great move. :casstet: Hopefully Brown will go to 10 pro bowls here in New Orleans before his career is over. That will help me forget.

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baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Was it really a good move? the only problem I have with brown is that next year\'s OT class is so much better that brown would probably go in the second or third...D\'Brick, mcneil among others are coming out. and I think Terry and roos are pretty good..that said-brow helps us now...and that is a good thing.
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04-27-2005, 12:04 PM	#5
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Was it really a good move? Hey, we get a starting RT this yearm and a starting LT next year, right about when Gandy should be out of here. Of course there is the learnign curve, but Bent, Brown, Holland, Stinch, and whoever we draft would all be young. Plus, next year is deep in LBs too. We could get two immediate help players. Trying to be positive here.

04-27-2005, 02:33 PM	#6
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Was it really a good move? who would have been disappointed if they took alex barron at #16 if brown would have been gone? anyone? until a week ago barron was the consensus top OT. but i can understand after just missing on vilma/williams and roberston the year before. that is quite a nice positive thought who. i think even if the house falls down this year that bentley and brown will stand. another top rookie with those would be a strong trench nucleus if a rebuild job at the skill positions was needed.

04-27-2005, 11:10 AM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Was it really a good move? The Panthers' top hope was that South Carolina WR Troy Williamson would somehow fall into their laps. Thomas Davis was their No. 2 target, despite teams attempting to leapfrog them for his services. So basically we gave away a 3rd rounder? :doh:

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Was it really a good move? Thanks Kell. I am trying to get over my draft shell shock and spin it a better way. You and I are always talking about what\'s best for the future of this team, well even if Haz fails miserably again next year, once he is gone the O-line will at least be a strength, and it all starts there. And we have good depth. One outstanding LT and damn, we could rival the Roaf-Turley days. And no I would not have been mad if we had stayed put and taken Barron. But positive spin, positive spin.

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TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Was it really a good move? I really like the Brown pick, so don\'t think I am saying that but....... Khalif Barnes didn\'t get picked until the 52nd pick. So it makes me wonder if we could have selected TDavis, and then gotten Barnes later on. I know he\'s not as good as Brown, and I really am pumped to see Brown on our line next year, but everybody said before the draft that Barnes was first round material and that he could have been selected above Barron. the Jaguars did very well to add Barnes, who has has the natural ability of a first-rounder. http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...ory?id=2044572
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4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Was it really a good move? Unless we would have picked DJ we threw away the 3rd rounder. Lets face it at 16 even if someone would have picked Brown we could have gotten Barron. I know its early to speculate but I am having a hard time thinking that the difference between those 2 is a 3rd rounder. Both will make pretty good pros but only time will tell which one is the best. On another note one constant with the Saints -- in the last few years they have neer selected the guy in the first round I wanted -- Sometimes they were right (Deuce) sometimes wrong (Sullivan). I still remember that we picked George Rodgers when we could have had LT>
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JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Was it really a good move? I\'m not inclined to think that this is an accurate account of what the Panthers were going to do or even wanted. Our FO thought they weren\'t going to get their guy. They gambled and went balz out to get him. I can understand being frustrated with the result, but at least they were making move to get what they wanted and thought they needed. Papz, do you have a link for that? Is there reason to think the Panthers wouldn\'t lie. They took a long time to make that pick, that shouldn\'t have been the case if Thomas was there 2nd - he was there.
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