Mark Ingram Won't Be at OTA's

44Champs · 05-24-2018, 08:12 PM

How do you feel about this? Seems to me like if he's missing the first four games of the season, he really needs to get in as much time with his teammates as possible.
He's planning on participating in the mandatory practices though.

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SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-24-2018, 08:17 PM

OTA's are optional. Ingram has been in this offense his entire Saints career. He'll be there for manditory minicamp and presumably training camp. He was a top 5 back in the league last season.

In short, much ado about nothing.

SFIAH

Utah_Saint · 05-24-2018, 10:13 PM

Suspended for 4 games, skipping OTAs... Not off to a good start for a contract year.

He better ball out this season.

spkb25 · 05-25-2018, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

He better ball out this season.

so we can trade him for a 3rd rounder

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-27-2018, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

so we can trade him for a 3rd rounder

Unless it's a trade early in the season, it cannot be done. This is Ingram's final year of his contract. After the trade deadline, he cannot be traded and at the end of the season he'll be a free agent.

SFIAH

jeanpierre · 05-28-2018, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

so we can trade him for a 3rd rounder

Ingram, a 28yo RB who took over six (6) years just to scrape over a thousand (1000) RuYds in a season is gonna net a 3rd pick?

Maybe if we trade him in-season to a desperate title contender, at the trade deadline, not in our conference...

Ingram's highest value will be with the Saints, Payton and Mickster trading first and second round draft picks to select him...

Includes five (5) years into developing him; that said, he'll be 29yo in December so wouldn't extend any guaranteed money beyond a year...

AsylumGuido · 05-28-2018, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Ingram, a 28yo RB who took over six (6) years just to scrape over a thousand (1000) RuYds in a season is gonna net a 3rd pick?

Maybe if we trade him in-season to a desperate title contender, at the trade deadline, not in our conference...

To be fair, JP, much of that lack of rushing production was on Payton and his pass intensive and RB by committee approach. It reminds me of the story of the only man that could hold Michael Jordan to under 20 points ... Dean Smith.

The Dude · 05-28-2018, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

To be fair, JP, much of that lack of rushing production was on Payton and his pass intensive and RB by committee approach. It reminds me of the story of the only man that could hold Michael Jordan to under 20 points ... Dean Smith.

This. And everyone and their mother was saying he needed touches to get into rhythm. Once Payton committed to running more he produced. Injuries also played a role.
I’m happy with him, I just don’t know how happy Payton is with him right now. Or how happy he is . I get the feeling he thinks the Saints could have done more to back him up on this suspension thing.
The way the medical staff has been dropping the ball lately it wouldn’t surprise me if they gave him or recommended something that turned out to be banned.
Not maliciously, out of ignorance. There are tons of new supplements coming out all the time and if the homework isn’t done I can see it being overlooked.

jeanpierre · 05-29-2018, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

To be fair, JP, much of that lack of rushing production was on Payton and his pass intensive and RB by committee approach. It reminds me of the story of the only man that could hold Michael Jordan to under 20 points ... Dean Smith.

It's a good point, and you're right, that's part of it...

And it's one of my biggest critiques of Bad-Sean/Mickster trading a first and a second round pick to acquire him - Why not use him?

But Ingram shares the criticism in this as well as he didn't even hit 4 RuYds/carry in his first two years; and while not exclusive, he had ample carries...

Ingram's first four years he was among the league's worst going down on initial contact; some on him, some was his exclusivity on short yardage...

He must've rode the short bus at Bama because it took him nearly five years to break out and he didn't even scrape over 1000 RuYds till his sixth year...

When his rookie contract period matured, so had his game and his greatest value was to the team that developed him, especially in that market year...

But I just don't see extending him when he's turning 29yo in December and we'll be severely thin or non-existent at some positions when contracts expire...

Built to win now, this year, just don't see moving Ingram unless Kamara and our RBs stay fresh and are giving us as good offensive balance as last season...

And only then, I'd trade him to a desperate contender, preferably in the other conference and it likely be for a Day 2 pick...

But, at the end of the season, I'm moving on to a younger runner and I'm taking that money and using it to extend other players...

K Major · 05-28-2018, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Ingram, a 28yo RB who took over six (6) years just to scrape over a thousand (1000) RuYds in a season is gonna net a 3rd pick?

JP, IMO Ingram was the best & most consistent RB in all of his 2011 draft class (rounds 1- 7). Over the last 6 seasons, which RB has played better than Mark from his class? Roy Helo? Kendall Hunter ? Demarco Murray

?

I'm simply wondering if it was the draft pick position by the Saints or the player that you have a problem with? All I know is that Mark has been consistently good in New Orleans.

05-24-2018, 08:12 PM	#1
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05-24-2018, 08:17 PM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Mark Ingram Won't Be at OTA's OTA's are optional. Ingram has been in this offense his entire Saints career. He'll be there for manditory minicamp and presumably training camp. He was a top 5 back in the league last season. In short, much ado about nothing. SFIAH SaintGnome likes this.

05-24-2018, 10:13 PM	#3
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Mark Ingram Won't Be at OTA's Suspended for 4 games, skipping OTAs... Not off to a good start for a contract year. He better ball out this season. jeanpierre likes this.

05-25-2018, 01:53 AM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Mark Ingram Won't Be at OTA's Originally Posted by Utah_Saint He better ball out this season. so we can trade him for a 3rd rounder

05-27-2018, 08:47 PM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Mark Ingram Won't Be at OTA's Originally Posted by spkb25 so we can trade him for a 3rd rounder Unless it's a trade early in the season, it cannot be done. This is Ingram's final year of his contract. After the trade deadline, he cannot be traded and at the end of the season he'll be a free agent. SFIAH spkb25 likes this.

05-28-2018, 11:41 AM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Mark Ingram Won't Be at OTA's Originally Posted by spkb25 so we can trade him for a 3rd rounder Ingram, a 28yo RB who took over six (6) years just to scrape over a thousand (1000) RuYds in a season is gonna net a 3rd pick? Maybe if we trade him in-season to a desperate title contender, at the trade deadline, not in our conference... Ingram's highest value will be with the Saints, Payton and Mickster trading first and second round draft picks to select him... Includes five (5) years into developing him; that said, he'll be 29yo in December so wouldn't extend any guaranteed money beyond a year...
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05-28-2018, 11:51 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Mark Ingram Won't Be at OTA's Originally Posted by jeanpierre Ingram, a 28yo RB who took over six (6) years just to scrape over a thousand (1000) RuYds in a season is gonna net a 3rd pick? Maybe if we trade him in-season to a desperate title contender, at the trade deadline, not in our conference... To be fair, JP, much of that lack of rushing production was on Payton and his pass intensive and RB by committee approach. It reminds me of the story of the only man that could hold Michael Jordan to under 20 points ... Dean Smith.

05-28-2018, 07:28 PM	#8
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Mark Ingram Won't Be at OTA's Originally Posted by AsylumGuido To be fair, JP, much of that lack of rushing production was on Payton and his pass intensive and RB by committee approach. It reminds me of the story of the only man that could hold Michael Jordan to under 20 points ... Dean Smith. This. And everyone and their mother was saying he needed touches to get into rhythm. Once Payton committed to running more he produced. Injuries also played a role. I’m happy with him, I just don’t know how happy Payton is with him right now. Or how happy he is . I get the feeling he thinks the Saints could have done more to back him up on this suspension thing. The way the medical staff has been dropping the ball lately it wouldn’t surprise me if they gave him or recommended something that turned out to be banned. Not maliciously, out of ignorance. There are tons of new supplements coming out all the time and if the homework isn’t done I can see it being overlooked.
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05-29-2018, 08:13 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Mark Ingram Won't Be at OTA's Originally Posted by AsylumGuido To be fair, JP, much of that lack of rushing production was on Payton and his pass intensive and RB by committee approach. It reminds me of the story of the only man that could hold Michael Jordan to under 20 points ... Dean Smith. It's a good point, and you're right, that's part of it... And it's one of my biggest critiques of Bad-Sean/Mickster trading a first and a second round pick to acquire him - Why not use him? But Ingram shares the criticism in this as well as he didn't even hit 4 RuYds/carry in his first two years; and while not exclusive, he had ample carries... Ingram's first four years he was among the league's worst going down on initial contact; some on him, some was his exclusivity on short yardage... He must've rode the short bus at Bama because it took him nearly five years to break out and he didn't even scrape over 1000 RuYds till his sixth year... When his rookie contract period matured, so had his game and his greatest value was to the team that developed him, especially in that market year... But I just don't see extending him when he's turning 29yo in December and we'll be severely thin or non-existent at some positions when contracts expire... Built to win now, this year, just don't see moving Ingram unless Kamara and our RBs stay fresh and are giving us as good offensive balance as last season... And only then, I'd trade him to a desperate contender, preferably in the other conference and it likely be for a Day 2 pick... But, at the end of the season, I'm moving on to a younger runner and I'm taking that money and using it to extend other players... SmashMouth likes this.
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05-28-2018, 03:05 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,740 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram Won't Be at OTA's Originally Posted by jeanpierre Ingram, a 28yo RB who took over six (6) years just to scrape over a thousand (1000) RuYds in a season is gonna net a 3rd pick? JP, IMO Ingram was the best & most consistent RB in all of his 2011 draft class (rounds 1- 7). Over the last 6 seasons, which RB has played better than Mark from his class? Roy Helo? Kendall Hunter ? Demarco Murray ? I'm simply wondering if it was the draft pick position by the Saints or the player that you have a problem with? All I know is that Mark has been consistently good in New Orleans. AsylumGuido likes this.

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