Schonert to use 2-Read/dump/run for AB

JKool · 04-30-2005, 01:59 PM

Gandy was considered the one of the best LTs available in FA the year we got him.

People are simply way too down on the guy. He\'s no Roaf, that is for sure, but we were spoiled with Roaf here.

The reason that we paid Gandy as much as we did, and it really isn\'t that much for a pro-bowl LT, is because we had to bid for him in FA.

I\'d be happy to see Stinchcomb finally pay off, and I agree Gandy is WAY overpaid for what he can provide now, but Gandy is still a good LT.

coastalkid · 05-01-2005, 07:52 AM

Quick somone needs to send in the play diagram for the screen pass. It\'s been so long since the Saints could run one I bet it isn\'t even in the playbook anymore. Oh by the way if the offense can learn to run one maybe...and I say just maybe...the defense can learn to stop one?? You think it could happen?

Tobias-Reiper · 05-01-2005, 12:34 PM

.. I see... so they don\'t want to be like the Rams anymore, and now they are going to imitate the Falcons offense...

TheDeuce · 05-01-2005, 03:18 PM

Some would blame him for standing in the pocket too long, doing check downs. That isn\'t AB\'s game. I\'d like to see AB scramble more

Zulu, I couldn\'t agree with you more. Back in 2000 and 2001, AB was a really good scrambler. Ever since those seasons, his running yards have declined tremendously. I think it has taken away a facet of his game that used to work to his advantage. Back when he used to scramble a lot, defenders had to worry about whether or not he was going to pull it down and run. Now, once they know it\'s a pass, they can pretty much sit back in coverage and wait for him to throw. When he used to scramble I really think it made defenders think twice about his legs, \"Should I cover the pass or him scramblin?!?!?!\" I really think that this played right into AB\'s hands because some of that indecision led to more of our WR\'s getting open, and if they didn\'t because their guys were all in pass coverage, then AB could take off. I am all for this new scheme. I would love to see AB start taking off more and using one of his best assets, his legs, start to help his overall game.

TheDeuce · 05-01-2005, 03:22 PM

O just so you can see:

Rushes/Yards/Avg/TDs

2004: 58/ 173/3.0/4
2003: 54/175/3.2/2
2002: 62/253/4.1/2
2001: 80/ 358/4.5/1

FireVenturi · 05-01-2005, 04:18 PM

he is at his best when he scrambles, no doubt, but why has he stopped..? The coaches, is he scared to get hurt, I dunno why.... but he needs to get back to scramblin\'

blake6900 · 05-02-2005, 11:44 AM

Sorry guys but I\'m not convinced re-inventing the wheel is gonna help Aaron Brooks. One major problem with him is his inability to throw \"touch\" passes and there are few passes in the game that require more touch than a dump-off pass. Many of you forget Brooks has always had trouble leading a receiver unless it\'s on a post pattern. How many times have we seen AB throw above, behind and below a receiver? Nothing makes me think that\'s gonna change any time soon.

BTW, screen passes require a great deal of \"touch\" as well and frankly Brooks is so far incapable of completing them with any consistency. It\'s gonna take a lot of practice time. Hopefully the elimination of two extra reads will afford Brooks more time to complete these types of passes but I\'m skeptical.

04-30-2005, 01:59 PM	#21
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Schonert to use 2-Read/dump/run for AB Gandy was considered the one of the best LTs available in FA the year we got him. People are simply way too down on the guy. He\'s no Roaf, that is for sure, but we were spoiled with Roaf here. The reason that we paid Gandy as much as we did, and it really isn\'t that much for a pro-bowl LT, is because we had to bid for him in FA. I\'d be happy to see Stinchcomb finally pay off, and I agree Gandy is WAY overpaid for what he can provide now, but Gandy is still a good LT.
	"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

05-01-2005, 07:52 AM	#22
coastalkid 100th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: Spain Posts: 287	Schonert to use 2-Read/dump/run for AB Quick somone needs to send in the play diagram for the screen pass. It\'s been so long since the Saints could run one I bet it isn\'t even in the playbook anymore. Oh by the way if the offense can learn to run one maybe...and I say just maybe...the defense can learn to stop one?? You think it could happen?

05-01-2005, 12:34 PM	#23
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Schonert to use 2-Read/dump/run for AB .. I see... so they don\'t want to be like the Rams anymore, and now they are going to imitate the Falcons offense...

05-01-2005, 03:18 PM	#24
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Schonert to use 2-Read/dump/run for AB Some would blame him for standing in the pocket too long, doing check downs. That isn\'t AB\'s game. I\'d like to see AB scramble more Zulu, I couldn\'t agree with you more. Back in 2000 and 2001, AB was a really good scrambler. Ever since those seasons, his running yards have declined tremendously. I think it has taken away a facet of his game that used to work to his advantage. Back when he used to scramble a lot, defenders had to worry about whether or not he was going to pull it down and run. Now, once they know it\'s a pass, they can pretty much sit back in coverage and wait for him to throw. When he used to scramble I really think it made defenders think twice about his legs, \"Should I cover the pass or him scramblin?!?!?!\" I really think that this played right into AB\'s hands because some of that indecision led to more of our WR\'s getting open, and if they didn\'t because their guys were all in pass coverage, then AB could take off. I am all for this new scheme. I would love to see AB start taking off more and using one of his best assets, his legs, start to help his overall game.
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05-01-2005, 03:22 PM	#25
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Schonert to use 2-Read/dump/run for AB O just so you can see: Rushes/Yards/Avg/TDs 2004: 58/ 173/3.0/4 2003: 54/175/3.2/2 2002: 62/253/4.1/2 2001: 80/ 358/4.5/1
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05-01-2005, 04:18 PM	#26
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Schonert to use 2-Read/dump/run for AB he is at his best when he scrambles, no doubt, but why has he stopped..? The coaches, is he scared to get hurt, I dunno why.... but he needs to get back to scramblin\'

05-02-2005, 11:44 AM	#27
blake6900 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 182	Schonert to use 2-Read/dump/run for AB Sorry guys but I\'m not convinced re-inventing the wheel is gonna help Aaron Brooks. One major problem with him is his inability to throw \"touch\" passes and there are few passes in the game that require more touch than a dump-off pass. Many of you forget Brooks has always had trouble leading a receiver unless it\'s on a post pattern. How many times have we seen AB throw above, behind and below a receiver? Nothing makes me think that\'s gonna change any time soon. BTW, screen passes require a great deal of \"touch\" as well and frankly Brooks is so far incapable of completing them with any consistency. It\'s gonna take a lot of practice time. Hopefully the elimination of two extra reads will afford Brooks more time to complete these types of passes but I\'m skeptical.
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