NFL Players Association files grievance challenging national anthem policy

burningmetal · 07-12-2018, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Sure. From the same:

Look everyone is greedy. Everyone looks out for their own self interests. That doesn't make unions good or bad or companies good or bad. Each understands that if they don't stand up for their own self interests, that no one else is going to do it for them. I'm just trying to point out that it isn't one sided.

SFIAH

I agree that there is greed on both sides. This is the NFL, not some run of the mill business. But the fact of the matter is that players weren't being threatened to have money taken out of their contracts; this was a matter of league revenue. Now, we can have a separate discussion about who deserves what percentage of that revenue, and the moral implications of what the owners wanted, but it is THEIR league. Do the owners need all of that extra money? No, they really don't. But they are businessmen, and it is their business. The players make an incredible amount of money. Even those who aren't millionaires are still making hundreds of thousands of dollars for playing a game. They can't say they are unjustly treated. It's just greed.

And yes, the owners are greedy as well, but the difference, again, is that it is their business. I don't like the idea of unions trying to strong arm a business into doing what isn't in it's best interest. There are courts who can deal with instances of employer abuse. Be it physical or verbal abuse, or grossly underpaying one or more employees as compared to others who are performing at a similar or even lesser efficiency and making significantly more money. I'm all for taking your boss to task on those things though, at best, you might get a money settlement and then be out of a job, because what boss wants to keep someone who sues them?. Unions are overkill, and cause far too many problems, in my opinion. It's usually easier to just find some other job, unless it's physical abuse you want to report. That's worth taking to court.

nola_swammi · 07-13-2018, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

And, once again, your kind of ignorance and hyperbole is what's wrong with this whole situation.

There is no evidence of disproportionate prejudice towards blacks. The overwhelming problem within the "black community" is black on black crime. It's the people who get on television and spread lies with their cherry picking videos that cause divide. And the officers who shoot black men who are threatening them and who have KNOWN criminal records, that the media and black lives matter twist into being somehow the officers fault, that cause tension in this country.

It's because people like YOU who don't bother to look for evidence, but rather assume that everything is racism, and it's all about you, that make the word "racism" even a thing anymore. The word is meaningless now. It's just a thing people say when they don't like their lives and they want someone else to blame.

YOU KNOW THE WORST THING IS YOUR IGNORANCE! You talk about black on black crimes as justification for the brutality. How would you feel if Whites were targeted for behavior of the use of automatic rifles or shooting up schools. Just cause a person is black, don't justify killing and hiding behind the law fear for your life when the person is unarmed. Videos don't cause the divide, the blind eye does and your ignorance for justifying killing of human being. If a person is panhandling do he deserve to die? If a person have a warrant for not paying their child support they deserve to die? CAUSE A MAN IS BLACK DO HE DESRVE TO DIE? GO sit your ignorant arse down and read a book.

nola_swammi · 07-13-2018, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

We really didn't go there did we? We need stats. Just to say what you feel doesn't make it true no matter how passionately you feel about it. All of the cases where a police officer beating or killing a cop are shown on the news. How many do you see on the news and of those I would say at least 50% are justified. Now how many blacks kill blacks and why don't we talk about that too. It's easy to make the police departments the fall guys but in reality it's not reality.

Foot note: I have children that are black and I understand the difference between white and black. I don't know the feeling but I understand it.

MOST of the killing of officers are by white people so why are blacks the most feared and killed? For blacks killing blacks (read statement up above)

skymike · 07-16-2018, 08:47 PM

I support the Police.
They dont give a damn what color you are; half of them ARE Black.
The Mayors of most Major U.S. cities are also.
I support the Flag and America.
If you dont, why dont you move?

Im the Customer.
This is Bullsh**.
If they want my money, they need to stop.
Go do it, when you're off duty. But its not making you any friends,
it's dividing us, and messing up a good thing. The only color I want
to care bout is our Jersey.

jeanpierre · 07-17-2018, 03:50 AM

Well, for me this issue is about standing and paying respect for those who gave the ultimate sacrifice at the Altar of Freedom...

Allowing yourself to get caught up in race, how folks worship God, or how they get their freak on in private with consenting adults, well...

then you've allowed the top 5% earners in this country to distract you once again, you might as well watch two monkeys f*ck a a basketball...

It's about Honoring the Fallen, Protest On Your Own Time...

CheramieIII · 07-17-2018, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII
We really didn't go there did we? We need stats. Just to say what you feel doesn't make it true no matter how passionately you feel about it. All of the cases where a police officer beating or killing a cop are shown on the news. How many do you see on the news and of those I would say at least 50% are justified. Now how many blacks kill blacks and why don't we talk about that too. It's easy to make the police departments the fall guys but in reality it's not reality.

Foot note: I have children that are black and I understand the difference between white and black. I don't know the feeling but I understand it.
MOST of the killing of officers are by white people so why are blacks the most feared and killed? For blacks killing blacks (read statement up above)

Typo on my original post: instead of killing a cop it should've read killing a black man.

07-12-2018, 11:01 PM	#31
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NFL Players Association files grievance challenging national anthem policy Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Sure. From the same: Look everyone is greedy. Everyone looks out for their own self interests. That doesn't make unions good or bad or companies good or bad. Each understands that if they don't stand up for their own self interests, that no one else is going to do it for them. I'm just trying to point out that it isn't one sided. SFIAH I agree that there is greed on both sides. This is the NFL, not some run of the mill business. But the fact of the matter is that players weren't being threatened to have money taken out of their contracts; this was a matter of league revenue. Now, we can have a separate discussion about who deserves what percentage of that revenue, and the moral implications of what the owners wanted, but it is THEIR league. Do the owners need all of that extra money? No, they really don't. But they are businessmen, and it is their business. The players make an incredible amount of money. Even those who aren't millionaires are still making hundreds of thousands of dollars for playing a game. They can't say they are unjustly treated. It's just greed. And yes, the owners are greedy as well, but the difference, again, is that it is their business. I don't like the idea of unions trying to strong arm a business into doing what isn't in it's best interest. There are courts who can deal with instances of employer abuse. Be it physical or verbal abuse, or grossly underpaying one or more employees as compared to others who are performing at a similar or even lesser efficiency and making significantly more money. I'm all for taking your boss to task on those things though, at best, you might get a money settlement and then be out of a job, because what boss wants to keep someone who sues them?. Unions are overkill, and cause far too many problems, in my opinion. It's usually easier to just find some other job, unless it's physical abuse you want to report. That's worth taking to court.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

07-13-2018, 02:38 AM	#32
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: NFL Players Association files grievance challenging national anthem policy Originally Posted by burningmetal And, once again, your kind of ignorance and hyperbole is what's wrong with this whole situation. There is no evidence of disproportionate prejudice towards blacks. The overwhelming problem within the "black community" is black on black crime. It's the people who get on television and spread lies with their cherry picking videos that cause divide. And the officers who shoot black men who are threatening them and who have KNOWN criminal records, that the media and black lives matter twist into being somehow the officers fault, that cause tension in this country. It's because people like YOU who don't bother to look for evidence, but rather assume that everything is racism, and it's all about you, that make the word "racism" even a thing anymore. The word is meaningless now. It's just a thing people say when they don't like their lives and they want someone else to blame. YOU KNOW THE WORST THING IS YOUR IGNORANCE! You talk about black on black crimes as justification for the brutality. How would you feel if Whites were targeted for behavior of the use of automatic rifles or shooting up schools. Just cause a person is black, don't justify killing and hiding behind the law fear for your life when the person is unarmed. Videos don't cause the divide, the blind eye does and your ignorance for justifying killing of human being. If a person is panhandling do he deserve to die? If a person have a warrant for not paying their child support they deserve to die? CAUSE A MAN IS BLACK DO HE DESRVE TO DIE? GO sit your ignorant arse down and read a book.

07-13-2018, 02:42 AM	#33
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: NFL Players Association files grievance challenging national anthem policy Originally Posted by CheramieIII We really didn't go there did we? We need stats. Just to say what you feel doesn't make it true no matter how passionately you feel about it. All of the cases where a police officer beating or killing a cop are shown on the news. How many do you see on the news and of those I would say at least 50% are justified. Now how many blacks kill blacks and why don't we talk about that too. It's easy to make the police departments the fall guys but in reality it's not reality. Foot note: I have children that are black and I understand the difference between white and black. I don't know the feeling but I understand it. MOST of the killing of officers are by white people so why are blacks the most feared and killed? For blacks killing blacks (read statement up above)

07-16-2018, 08:47 PM	#34
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: NFL Players Association files grievance challenging national anthem policy I support the Police. They dont give a damn what color you are; half of them ARE Black. The Mayors of most Major U.S. cities are also. I support the Flag and America. If you dont, why dont you move? Im the Customer. This is Bullsh**. If they want my money, they need to stop. Go do it, when you're off duty. But its not making you any friends, it's dividing us, and messing up a good thing. The only color I want to care bout is our Jersey. SmashMouth likes this.

07-17-2018, 03:50 AM	#35
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: NFL Players Association files grievance challenging national anthem policy Well, for me this issue is about standing and paying respect for those who gave the ultimate sacrifice at the Altar of Freedom... Allowing yourself to get caught up in race, how folks worship God, or how they get their freak on in private with consenting adults, well... then you've allowed the top 5% earners in this country to distract you once again, you might as well watch two monkeys f*ck a a basketball... It's about Honoring the Fallen, Protest On Your Own Time... skymike likes this.

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07-17-2018, 08:42 AM	#36
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NFL Players Association files grievance challenging national anthem policy Originally Posted by CheramieIII We really didn't go there did we? We need stats. Just to say what you feel doesn't make it true no matter how passionately you feel about it. All of the cases where a police officer beating or killing a cop are shown on the news. How many do you see on the news and of those I would say at least 50% are justified. Now how many blacks kill blacks and why don't we talk about that too. It's easy to make the police departments the fall guys but in reality it's not reality. Foot note: I have children that are black and I understand the difference between white and black. I don't know the feeling but I understand it. MOST of the killing of officers are by white people so why are blacks the most feared and killed? For blacks killing blacks (read statement up above) Typo on my original post: instead of killing a cop it should've read killing a black man. skymike likes this.
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