MI Potential Trade

turbo_dog · 07-19-2018, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

He didn't intentionally take a known banned substance. According to four separate Saints players (including Zach Strief) a trace amount of a substance picked up from a tainted supplement that is approved by the league was found in his sample. And according to his agent the banned substance wasn't even one recognized as "performance enhancing" and could be taken with a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) ... (ie. fertility meds, hair growth meds, etc.).

I seem to remember something about an exemption from the league for certain criteria? Ingram was supposed to have the exemption, but then they never formally gave it to him or something like that.

foreverfan · 07-19-2018, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

He didn't intentionally take a known banned substance. According to four separate Saints players (including Zach Strief) a trace amount of a substance picked up from a tainted supplement that is approved by the league was found in his sample. And according to his agent the banned substance wasn't even one recognized as "performance enhancing" and could be taken with a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) ... (ie. fertility meds, hair growth meds, etc.).

AsylumGuido · 07-19-2018, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

What would you take for him?

I would take no less than a 3rd. I may entertain a 4th and a 6th. Trying to get back in the first next year so a 3rd, would probably have to have it to bundle with more pokey bait.

A 2,3,4....is that enough to get back in 1? I would think so.

Why are you so obsessed with trading Ingram? It is beyond stupid to weaken our roster this season, when we have a very legitimate shot at winning it all, hoping to somehow move into the tail end of the 1st round next year and pick up a player that is not guaranteed to have any immediate impact whatsoever ... if ever.

Beastmode · 07-19-2018, 09:55 AM

I'm actually more obsessed with getting back in the 1st. And yes, I know we are not getting that but it would give us the ability to stack to make it possible.

The strength of this team right now is the draft, mainly round 1. Rankins, Lattimore, Ramczyk. Maybe even Davenport. Guilty as charged if I want to get it back and sacrifice our 2nd string RB to get there who, will not be contributing anyway until the halfway point.

AsylumGuido · 07-19-2018, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I'm actually more obsessed with getting back in the 1st. And yes, I know we are not getting that but it would give us the ability to stack to make it possible.

The strength of this team right now is the draft, mainly round 1. Rankins, Lattimore, Ramczyk. Maybe even Davenport. Guilty as charged if I want to get it back and sacrifice our 2nd string RB to get there who, will not be contributing anyway until the halfway point.

2nd string RB? Ingram had 288 touches as compared to 201 by Kamara last season. And where do you get his not contributing until the halfway point? He'll be back in top shape ready to contribute over the final 3/4th's of the regular season and through our Super Bowl run.

jeanpierre · 07-19-2018, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode;805953[B

]I'm actually more obsessed with getting back in the 1st. [/B]And yes, I know we are not getting that but it would give us the ability to stack to make it possible.

The strength of this team right now is the draft, mainly round 1. Rankins, Lattimore, Ramczyk. Maybe even Davenport. Guilty as charged if I want to get it back and sacrifice our 2nd string RB to get there who, will not be contributing anyway until the halfway point.

If you want to get back in the first, Trade Armstead, not Ingram, and a fourth round pick; move Ramczyk or Peat to LT cause a LG or RT will be easier to replace...

But the only guys you'd get a first for are Lattimore, Thomas, Jordan, Ramczyk, maybe Kamara and if you're trading them, you're giving up on being a contender...

Beastmode · 07-19-2018, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

If you want to get back in the first, Trade Armstead, not Ingram, and a fourth round pick; move Ramczyk or Peat to LT cause a LG or RT will be easier to replace...

But the only guys you'd get a first for are Lattimore, Thomas, Jordan, Ramczyk, maybe Kamara and if you're trading them, you're giving up on being a contender...

Never said we would get a first for him.

AsylumGuido · 07-20-2018, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Never said we would get a first for him.

Which makes it even more stupid to trade him. Trading Ingram would weaken the 2018 roster and have no guarantee to improve any future roster. I just thank God that you aren't our GM.

AsylumGuido · 07-20-2018, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

If you want to get back in the first, Trade Armstead, not Ingram, and a fourth round pick; move Ramczyk or Peat to LT cause a LG or RT will be easier to replace...

But the only guys you'd get a first for are Lattimore, Thomas, Jordan, Ramczyk, maybe Kamara and if you're trading them, you're giving up on being a contender...

That is far too logical, JP. I'm not sure Beastmode can handle it.

He's been on this Ingram obsession for weeks now.

Rugby Saint II · 07-19-2018, 11:44 AM

I believe he has greater value to us this year than anything we could get for him in return. He is an all-around back that blocks, catches passes and runs well. He is in the best system and has a perfect complement with Kamara. Drew will miss him the first four games I am sure. They have a great working relationship. Besides, after coming off a suspension Ingram's contract may be more palatable.

07-19-2018, 07:57 AM	#1
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,649	Re: MI Potential Trade Originally Posted by AsylumGuido He didn't intentionally take a known banned substance. According to four separate Saints players (including Zach Strief) a trace amount of a substance picked up from a tainted supplement that is approved by the league was found in his sample. And according to his agent the banned substance wasn't even one recognized as "performance enhancing" and could be taken with a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) ... (ie. fertility meds, hair growth meds, etc.). I seem to remember something about an exemption from the league for certain criteria? Ingram was supposed to have the exemption, but then they never formally gave it to him or something like that.

07-19-2018, 10:26 AM	#2
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: MI Potential Trade Originally Posted by AsylumGuido He didn't intentionally take a known banned substance. According to four separate Saints players (including Zach Strief) a trace amount of a substance picked up from a tainted supplement that is approved by the league was found in his sample. And according to his agent the banned substance wasn't even one recognized as "performance enhancing" and could be taken with a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) ... (ie. fertility meds, hair growth meds, etc.).

07-19-2018, 07:50 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: MI Potential Trade Originally Posted by Beastmode What would you take for him? I would take no less than a 3rd. I may entertain a 4th and a 6th. Trying to get back in the first next year so a 3rd, would probably have to have it to bundle with more pokey bait. A 2,3,4....is that enough to get back in 1? I would think so. Why are you so obsessed with trading Ingram? It is beyond stupid to weaken our roster this season, when we have a very legitimate shot at winning it all, hoping to somehow move into the tail end of the 1st round next year and pick up a player that is not guaranteed to have any immediate impact whatsoever ... if ever. K Major likes this.

07-19-2018, 09:55 AM	#4
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: MI Potential Trade I'm actually more obsessed with getting back in the 1st. And yes, I know we are not getting that but it would give us the ability to stack to make it possible. The strength of this team right now is the draft, mainly round 1. Rankins, Lattimore, Ramczyk. Maybe even Davenport. Guilty as charged if I want to get it back and sacrifice our 2nd string RB to get there who, will not be contributing anyway until the halfway point.
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07-19-2018, 01:51 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: MI Potential Trade Originally Posted by Beastmode I'm actually more obsessed with getting back in the 1st. And yes, I know we are not getting that but it would give us the ability to stack to make it possible. The strength of this team right now is the draft, mainly round 1. Rankins, Lattimore, Ramczyk. Maybe even Davenport. Guilty as charged if I want to get it back and sacrifice our 2nd string RB to get there who, will not be contributing anyway until the halfway point. 2nd string RB? Ingram had 288 touches as compared to 201 by Kamara last season. And where do you get his not contributing until the halfway point? He'll be back in top shape ready to contribute over the final 3/4th's of the regular season and through our Super Bowl run.

07-19-2018, 04:18 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: MI Potential Trade Originally Posted by Beastmode;805953[B ]I'm actually more obsessed with getting back in the 1st. [/B]And yes, I know we are not getting that but it would give us the ability to stack to make it possible. The strength of this team right now is the draft, mainly round 1. Rankins, Lattimore, Ramczyk. Maybe even Davenport. Guilty as charged if I want to get it back and sacrifice our 2nd string RB to get there who, will not be contributing anyway until the halfway point. If you want to get back in the first, Trade Armstead, not Ingram, and a fourth round pick; move Ramczyk or Peat to LT cause a LG or RT will be easier to replace... But the only guys you'd get a first for are Lattimore, Thomas, Jordan, Ramczyk, maybe Kamara and if you're trading them, you're giving up on being a contender...

07-19-2018, 06:07 PM	#7
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: MI Potential Trade Originally Posted by jeanpierre If you want to get back in the first, Trade Armstead, not Ingram, and a fourth round pick; move Ramczyk or Peat to LT cause a LG or RT will be easier to replace... But the only guys you'd get a first for are Lattimore, Thomas, Jordan, Ramczyk, maybe Kamara and if you're trading them, you're giving up on being a contender... Never said we would get a first for him.
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07-20-2018, 06:55 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: MI Potential Trade Originally Posted by Beastmode Never said we would get a first for him. Which makes it even more stupid to trade him. Trading Ingram would weaken the 2018 roster and have no guarantee to improve any future roster. I just thank God that you aren't our GM.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: MI Potential Trade Originally Posted by jeanpierre If you want to get back in the first, Trade Armstead, not Ingram, and a fourth round pick; move Ramczyk or Peat to LT cause a LG or RT will be easier to replace... But the only guys you'd get a first for are Lattimore, Thomas, Jordan, Ramczyk, maybe Kamara and if you're trading them, you're giving up on being a contender... That is far too logical, JP. I'm not sure Beastmode can handle it. He's been on this Ingram obsession for weeks now. foreverfan likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: MI Potential Trade I believe he has greater value to us this year than anything we could get for him in return. He is an all-around back that blocks, catches passes and runs well. He is in the best system and has a perfect complement with Kamara. Drew will miss him the first four games I am sure. They have a great working relationship. Besides, after coming off a suspension Ingram's contract may be more palatable. saintfan, jnormand and Beastmode like this.

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