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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; One of the biggest reasons that so many gamblers, not to mention football fans have this misconception is that they do not draw a distinction between a great offense and a high powered one. Great offenses are not the ones ...
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I\'m a big fan of ball control. I\'ve been MIA most of this off-season, but has Haz actually said he wants to play ball control somewhere? I\'ve missed it.
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Here\'s my problem...
Can you get to the SB with a ball control offense? Yes. Can you get to the SB with an explosive offense? Yes. Can you get to the SB with a defense built on speed? Yes. Can you get to the SB with a defense built on size? Yes. Watch carefully - here\'s the kicker: Can you get to the SB with a bad offense or defense? Very very rarely. The problem with the Saints and Haslett, IMO, has NEVER been scheme. The \"big\" defensive scheme has worked around the league. So has the \"fast\" scheme. Ball control works. Explosion works. The problem with the Saints is two-fold: execution and consistency. If you cannot consistenty execute a scheme, it doesn\'t matter if the scheme is great or terrible. Execution is something Haslett has to ensure as coach. However, consistency may be a greater problem - and I don\'t just mean in the sense that our players are inconsistent. I think the Saints lack of execution has caused schizophrenia - the Saints NEVER stick to a plan or scheme. Our schemes change every year. In four years, here\'s what we\'ve tried to do on defense: get bigger, get smaller and faster, get athletes, get football players, attack, read and react, rebuild, jell... yeah, it\'s a wonder things haven\'t worked out. [Edited on 2/5/2005 by WhoDat] |
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But the drafting of Jammal Brown does seem to lend credibility to the rumors of a slowed down offense. Brown\'s a mauler in the run game, and placed between Jermane Mayberry (if healthy) and a decent blocking TE (maybe Zach Hilton or even Shad Meier) - not to mention Mike Karney knocking LB\'s outta the way - the run game could be quite formidible. Deuce, if he shows up in shape, could be in for a big year. Adding Antoine Smith to the backfield can only help when Deuce needs a breather, and Aaron Stecker is a nice utility RB. I\'m a big fan of ball control, too, but I\'ll admit serious fears about it. If the defense doesn\'t significantly improve, what\'s gonna happen when we\'re playing from behind? |
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It seems - to me - that no matter what change Haslett and co. make, it\'s NEVER the right one. What changes could Haslett make that would make you happy? If you want consistent offense., a ball-control approach gives an offense it\'s best chance to be consistent. Sure ... any \"approach\" can work on offense. But a \"ball-control\" offense takes less risk and is much more likely to be consistent than some offense that throws the ball 600 times a season. The Panthers went to the Super Bowl because of a ball control approach. The Patriots are the best ball control offense in the NFL. The Eagles are a ball control offense. The Colts are a high flying offense and you see where that got them. Even the Steelers with rookie QB Ben Rothisburger got further than Peyton and the Colts? Why? Ball control offense!! [Edited on 2/5/2005 by GumboBC] |
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I think you missed the point entirely, Billy. In this case, with our defense, yes, I am concerned about an offense that isn\'t seeking to be explosive. However, I haven\'t necessarily disagreed with Haslett\'s scheme changes. I HAVE disagreed with the frequency of them (at least once a year, sometime more). I also won\'t be satisfied with ANY scheme until the team proves that it can EXECUTE well. I don\'t know that the ball-control offense will make the Saints more consistent. If Gandy holds or false starts, if the o-line misses blocks, or WRs drop passes, or Brooks fumbles... etc, how will the offense get better? It seems the move to the ball control offense is for three reasons: 1. It favors Deuce (and \"featuring\" him in the offense). 2. It simplifies things for Brooks. 3. Hypothetically, it should keep our defense off the field.
You think Ball Control = consistency??? Really? Ask the Ravens about that. Ask the Chicago Bears. It\'s funny that you mention the Colts b/c there probably wasn\'t a more consistent and effective offense in the league this season. Their problem is defense, just like ours. So what\'s better than the best and most explosive offense in the league when you have a bad defense? Here\'s the concern Billy - the Saints are inconsistent and don\'t execute well. That is NOT a scheme problem. It is a coaching problem, but it\'s not about strategy or tactics (and that\'s what scheme is). So, if I\'m going to have an inconsistent offense, (and bad defense), would I prefer an offense built for explosiveness (and come backs or quick strikes), or one built for long methodical drives (long slow drives are good, but not when you\'re down by 20)??? I don\'t know, honestly. I think our personnel is better-suited for a high-powered offense. Regardless, I\'m not impressed with anything Haslett comes up with as a \"scheme\" until he proves he can get the team to EXECUTE it well. |
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