Jonathan Sullivan vs. Dewayne Robertson - First 2 years

GumboBC · 05-01-2005, 04:39 PM

Dewayne Robertson
Games/ total tackles/ assists/ sacks
2003 New York Jets 16/ 43/ 34.0/ 1.5
2004 New York Jets 16/ 52/ 36.0/ 16/ 3
TOTAL 32/ 95/ 70.0/ 4.5

Jonathan Sullivan
Games/ total tackles/ assists/ sacks
2003 New Orleans Saints 14/ 33/ 25.0/ 1
2004 New Orleans Saints 7/ 15/ 11.0/ 0.5
TOTAL 21/ 48/ 36.0/ 12/ 1.5

Dewayne Robertson total tackles: 95
Jonathan Sullivan total tackles: 48

Dewayne Robertson total sacks: 4.5
Jonathan Sullivan total sacks: 1.5

Dewayne Robertson games played: 32
Jonathan Sullivan games played: 21

Note: Sullivan was right there stat wise with Roberstson his first year. And it appears that if Sully would have played in as many games that he would have come close to matching Roberston's prodution for the 1st two years.

Just thought it was interesting. Hopefully Sully will see the field this year.

FireVenturi · 05-01-2005, 04:41 PM

well he would have played in as many games if he wasn\'t a lazy fat a$$ that needs to get kicked to the curb!!!!

GumboBC · 05-01-2005, 04:44 PM

well he would have played in as many games if he wasn\'t a lazy fat a$$ that needs to get kicked to the curb!!!!

Perhaps. But based on production in actual games, Sully doesn\'t seem too far off pace with Dewayne Robertson.

[Edited on 1/5/2005 by GumboBC]

JKool · 05-01-2005, 05:43 PM

Independent of stats: Roberston - starter, Sullivan - bench.

Why was Sullivan benched, not because he was hurt but because he stunk.

This is not a case where we can say this: if Sullivan played more games, he would be doing about the same as Robertson. The reason Sullivan isn\'t playing is because he sucked. Thus, there is NO reason to believe that Sullivan could be doing as well as Robertson with as much playing time, since he could have had as much playing time if he hadn\'t sucked.

This argument is a real stretch. To draw an analogy, there must be some reason to believe the two are alike in relevant respects. These two lack the following relevant respect: desire to play football.

saintswhodi · 05-01-2005, 05:49 PM

Amen Kool. You hit that one out the park.

CHACHING · 05-01-2005, 05:52 PM

Yeah Kool....
it think those Hot dogs had a big influence on Sully\'s attitude.....he heard they ran out of mustard and stoped playing......... :casstet:

GumboBC · 05-01-2005, 06:08 PM

Why was Sullivan benched, not because he was hurt but because he stunk.

JKool --

You\'ve been making some pretty bold statements lately. That\'s not like you. But, I like it. Speak your mind.

But, I\'m going to have to disagree. Haslett didn\'t bench Sullivan because he sucked. He benched Sullivan because he came into camp overweight and didn\'t lose the weight during the season.

Sullivan was in Haslett\'s dog-house from day one and remained there the whole season.

Tebucky Jones \"sucked\" but Haslett didn\'t bench him. Victor Riley \"sucked\" but Haslett didn\'t bench him.

And obviously Haslett still doesn\'t beleive Sullivan sucks. He\'s still on the team. Where\'s Tebucky Jones?

saintswhodi · 05-01-2005, 06:16 PM

But, I\'m going to have to disagree. Haslett didn\'t bench Sullivan because he sucked. He benched Sullivan because he came into camp overweight and didn\'t lose the weight during the season.

Sullivan was in Haslett\'s dog-house from day one and remained there the whole season.

Actually, he did bench him cause he sucked. They were going to let the weight thing slide and let Sullivan \"play his way through it.\" But he never did, got worse and was thus benched. A guy who was i the dog house was Devery, who never saw the field. You don\'t start the first game if you are in the dog house. Sullivan sucked, and it got so bad he was benched, and not for health reasons.

Tebucky Jones \"sucked\" but Haslett didn\'t bench him.

Well, he led the team in tackles. And who else was gonna play FS, Gleason, Mitchell? Yeah right.

Victor Riley \"sucked\" but Haslett didn\'t bench him.

He had his moments, but who else was gonna play RT? Noone else was ready, and that was apparent in the Tampa game.

And obviously Haslett still doesn\'t beleive Sullivan sucks. He\'s still on the team. Where\'s Tebucky Jones?

Costs A LOT more for them to cut Sully than it did for them to cut Jones. That\'s a no brainer. It\'s cheaper to keep him. But this also begs thequestion, if Tebucky and Riley were SO bad, why didn\'t they find players off the street to take over them like they did for Sully? That pretty much says it all. I would rather go with a guy who I have little idea about and who was sitting at home than have you on the field. That\'s a pretty definitive statement of Sullivan\'s suckitude.

GumboBC · 05-01-2005, 06:21 PM

saintwhodi --

You see it your way and I see it mine.

You could be right. Sullivan could have sucked so bad that Haslett thought ANYbody would be better. That might be the same reason Haslett shipped Grady Jackson off to Green Bay.

I have NO proof why Haslett benched Sullivan. Only speculation. Which is all anyone has.

I didn\'t start this thread to bring up the same ol\' arguements. Though I\'m fine discussing them.

I was just looking at other DT\'s that were drafted when Sullivan was drafted.

Given Sullivans first year production (which nearly equaled Dewayne Robertsons) I think I can draw the conclusion that Sully would have come close to his production had he been on the field. I don\'t think that\'s too big of a stretch. Even though JKool might disagree.

JOESAM2002 · 05-01-2005, 06:49 PM

Sullivan was in Haslett\'s dog-house from day one and remained there the whole season.

I think the quote should have read.

Sullivan was in Haslett\'s hotdog-house from day one and remained there the whole season.

[Edited on 1/5/2005 by JOESAM2002]

05-01-2005, 04:39 PM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Jonathan Sullivan vs. Dewayne Robertson - First 2 years Dewayne Robertson Games/ total tackles/ assists/ sacks 2003 New York Jets 16/ 43/ 34.0/ 1.5 2004 New York Jets 16/ 52/ 36.0/ 16/ 3 TOTAL 32/ 95/ 70.0/ 4.5 Jonathan Sullivan Games/ total tackles/ assists/ sacks 2003 New Orleans Saints 14/ 33/ 25.0/ 1 2004 New Orleans Saints 7/ 15/ 11.0/ 0.5 TOTAL 21/ 48/ 36.0/ 12/ 1.5 Dewayne Robertson total tackles: 95 Jonathan Sullivan total tackles: 48 Dewayne Robertson total sacks: 4.5 Jonathan Sullivan total sacks: 1.5 Dewayne Robertson games played: 32 Jonathan Sullivan games played: 21 Note: Sullivan was right there stat wise with Roberstson his first year. And it appears that if Sully would have played in as many games that he would have come close to matching Roberston's prodution for the 1st two years. Just thought it was interesting. Hopefully Sully will see the field this year.
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05-01-2005, 04:41 PM	#2
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Jonathan Sullivan vs. Dewayne Robertson - First 2 years well he would have played in as many games if he wasn\'t a lazy fat a$$ that needs to get kicked to the curb!!!!

05-01-2005, 04:44 PM	#3
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Jonathan Sullivan vs. Dewayne Robertson - First 2 years well he would have played in as many games if he wasn\'t a lazy fat a$$ that needs to get kicked to the curb!!!! Perhaps. But based on production in actual games, Sully doesn\'t seem too far off pace with Dewayne Robertson. [Edited on 1/5/2005 by GumboBC]
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05-01-2005, 05:43 PM	#4
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Jonathan Sullivan vs. Dewayne Robertson - First 2 years Independent of stats: Roberston - starter, Sullivan - bench. Why was Sullivan benched, not because he was hurt but because he stunk. This is not a case where we can say this: if Sullivan played more games, he would be doing about the same as Robertson. The reason Sullivan isn\'t playing is because he sucked. Thus, there is NO reason to believe that Sullivan could be doing as well as Robertson with as much playing time, since he could have had as much playing time if he hadn\'t sucked. This argument is a real stretch. To draw an analogy, there must be some reason to believe the two are alike in relevant respects. These two lack the following relevant respect: desire to play football.
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05-01-2005, 05:49 PM	#5
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CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	Jonathan Sullivan vs. Dewayne Robertson - First 2 years Yeah Kool.... it think those Hot dogs had a big influence on Sully\'s attitude.....he heard they ran out of mustard and stoped playing......... :casstet:

05-01-2005, 06:08 PM	#7
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Jonathan Sullivan vs. Dewayne Robertson - First 2 years Why was Sullivan benched, not because he was hurt but because he stunk. JKool -- You\'ve been making some pretty bold statements lately. That\'s not like you. But, I like it. Speak your mind. But, I\'m going to have to disagree. Haslett didn\'t bench Sullivan because he sucked. He benched Sullivan because he came into camp overweight and didn\'t lose the weight during the season. Sullivan was in Haslett\'s dog-house from day one and remained there the whole season. Tebucky Jones \"sucked\" but Haslett didn\'t bench him. Victor Riley \"sucked\" but Haslett didn\'t bench him. And obviously Haslett still doesn\'t beleive Sullivan sucks. He\'s still on the team. Where\'s Tebucky Jones?
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05-01-2005, 06:16 PM	#8
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Jonathan Sullivan vs. Dewayne Robertson - First 2 years But, I\'m going to have to disagree. Haslett didn\'t bench Sullivan because he sucked. He benched Sullivan because he came into camp overweight and didn\'t lose the weight during the season. Sullivan was in Haslett\'s dog-house from day one and remained there the whole season. Actually, he did bench him cause he sucked. They were going to let the weight thing slide and let Sullivan \"play his way through it.\" But he never did, got worse and was thus benched. A guy who was i the dog house was Devery, who never saw the field. You don\'t start the first game if you are in the dog house. Sullivan sucked, and it got so bad he was benched, and not for health reasons. Tebucky Jones \"sucked\" but Haslett didn\'t bench him. Well, he led the team in tackles. And who else was gonna play FS, Gleason, Mitchell? Yeah right. Victor Riley \"sucked\" but Haslett didn\'t bench him. He had his moments, but who else was gonna play RT? Noone else was ready, and that was apparent in the Tampa game. And obviously Haslett still doesn\'t beleive Sullivan sucks. He\'s still on the team. Where\'s Tebucky Jones? Costs A LOT more for them to cut Sully than it did for them to cut Jones. That\'s a no brainer. It\'s cheaper to keep him. But this also begs thequestion, if Tebucky and Riley were SO bad, why didn\'t they find players off the street to take over them like they did for Sully? That pretty much says it all. I would rather go with a guy who I have little idea about and who was sitting at home than have you on the field. That\'s a pretty definitive statement of Sullivan\'s suckitude.

05-01-2005, 06:21 PM	#9
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Jonathan Sullivan vs. Dewayne Robertson - First 2 years saintwhodi -- You see it your way and I see it mine. You could be right. Sullivan could have sucked so bad that Haslett thought ANYbody would be better. That might be the same reason Haslett shipped Grady Jackson off to Green Bay. I have NO proof why Haslett benched Sullivan. Only speculation. Which is all anyone has. I didn\'t start this thread to bring up the same ol\' arguements. Though I\'m fine discussing them. I was just looking at other DT\'s that were drafted when Sullivan was drafted. Given Sullivans first year production (which nearly equaled Dewayne Robertsons) I think I can draw the conclusion that Sully would have come close to his production had he been on the field. I don\'t think that\'s too big of a stretch. Even though JKool might disagree.
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05-01-2005, 06:49 PM	#10
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Jonathan Sullivan vs. Dewayne Robertson - First 2 years Sullivan was in Haslett\'s dog-house from day one and remained there the whole season. I think the quote should have read. Sullivan was in Haslett\'s hotdog-house from day one and remained there the whole season. [Edited on 1/5/2005 by JOESAM2002]