Bengals release Kevin Hardy...

GoldenTomb · 05-04-2005, 09:29 AM

Hardy\'s a former Pro Bowler and a fairly consistent player. No harm in bringing him in.

I\'d have to think he\'s somewhat of a disappointment.

Wasn\'t he a top five draft pick out of Illinois???

LKelley67 · 05-04-2005, 09:37 AM

#7 overall by the Saints 1968. made the hall of shame

saintswhodi · 05-04-2005, 09:44 AM

Though, I think that people are more down on Ruff than he should be because he was brought in here to save a floundering D and didn\'t. He\'s not a bad LB, but he is a bit on the slow side. As a situational player, I don\'t think he is that bad at all - in fact, I think he is considerably better than Rodgers.

Sorry Kool, I have to disagree. I think Ruff flat out stinks, situational, whatever. He was never anything special. I don\'t think anyone is down on him for not saving the D cause I don\'t think anyone was high on him in the first place. The team tried to pump him up, but I don\'t think anyone bought. I certainly have never heard anyone speak high of him. He got as much of the WTF face from fans when we picked him up in FA as Sullivan got when we drafted him. And all you need to know about Ruff is in the first Tampa game last year. Late in the game, Ruff at MLB, obvious passing down. Snap the ball, a CB(forgot who) and Bellamy are double covering Clayton down the right sideline. Ruff though it was in the team\'s best interest for him to go triple team this double covered rookie, letting their tight end, Dilger I think, slip right behind him OVER THE MIDDLE and go for like a 45 yard TD. That was just stupid. Ruff stinks.

GoldenTomb · 05-04-2005, 09:57 AM

#7 overall by the Saints 1968. made the hall of shame

Actually I meant Kevin Hardy, who was originally drafted by the Jags in \'96.

He was selected #2 overall.

LKelley67 · 05-04-2005, 10:22 AM

i know, i know, some of these nightmare busts never leave ya though, even 35 years later. a number 7 that never did squat. picked ahead of larry csonka, marvin upshaw, ken stabler, curly culp, etc.

Euphoria · 05-04-2005, 10:35 AM

I don\'t know I am thinking we are going to have to go with what we got this year. We have somewhat a young unit and I think they are developing just not at the pace we would like. Bringing in older guys who will give us maybe a year will prove to be more disruptive and hinder development.

LKelley67 · 05-04-2005, 10:41 AM

or they might add veteran mentoring and provide experienced manpower in particular roles.

4saintspirit · 05-04-2005, 10:49 AM

Well -- maybe the linebacking core will jell since they played together the last four games -- isn\'t that always the response when you have an underperforming unit :casstet:

GoldenTomb · 05-04-2005, 10:53 AM

Well -- maybe the linebacking core will jell since they played together the last four games -- isn\'t that always the response when you have an underperforming unit :casstet:

I agree...people are putting far too much weight into those last four games, which were against teams who were below average at best at the time.

Seems to be the 12 games before that they were horrible. Seems to be that THAT is the larger concern. Hopefully Fincher will show us something.

Euphoria · 05-04-2005, 12:02 PM

Sometimes a light bulb goes off in ones head and they finally get it. 4 games can make a huge difference in a learning process and if they finally get it great. Learning the system, and learning how to work with one another the game planning coach could make a huge difference this year.

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GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Bengals release Kevin Hardy... Well -- maybe the linebacking core will jell since they played together the last four games -- isn\'t that always the response when you have an underperforming unit :casstet: I agree...people are putting far too much weight into those last four games, which were against teams who were below average at best at the time. Seems to be the 12 games before that they were horrible. Seems to be that THAT is the larger concern. Hopefully Fincher will show us something.
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