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Neither can Taysom, dipsh*t :)

I wasnt implying that GG had any shot of becoming an NFL QB. He sucked, clearly. And as far as being a QB goes, so does Taysom

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Good GOD...thank goodness some of you nitwits don't run the franchise!!!

There may be something to the hand size issue (which I've no knowledge of as being factual as I've not researched). But the 2 picks weren't on him, I'd put both on the WRs. Across the middle hit him square in the hands and went right thru. Ginn got beat out for position by the DB and gave up on the play from the way I saw it play out.

The fumbles are coachable moments and we'll see if he learns from the experience. I haven't heard a single peep before this preseason game of this being an issue. If it truly was I'm pretty sure there would have been more on the issue during camp before now.

Did none of you people bashing him see the way he got out of the one pressure where he scrambled right and made a great throw to turn a negative play into a positive one. First down if I'm not mistaken to Arnold (I think? I gotta watch it again). The big thing out of that play was the reaction by Payton and the rest of the coaching staff. They seemed pretty psyched on that play and that was after the previous mishaps where you'd think they'd not be so impressed.

In the end...who am I gonna go with on thoughts about the #2?? You guys or Payton, Carmichael, and Lombardi??? I'll give you a clue...it's probably not anyone reading this forum post!!!

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You literally wrote: "No one wanted to give poor GG the same benefit of the doubt."

GG had 3 full training camps, that's a pretty sizeable "benefit of the doubt" by any NFL team's standards. Hill had A half, a single friggin' half and you think he's got no shot of being a NFL QB....

A double dip$hit to you good Sir!!! Congratulations, you wrote something dumber than your previous post. Keep going, I'm sure you can eclipse yourself again!

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Gawd, you need every.single.thing spelled out for you. Ok, try to keep up now. When I said no one gave grayson the same benefit of the doubt, I was referring to people here, on this forum, not the coaching staff.

Yes, Taysom had a single half. He's also had an entire year with the team, and an entire training camp. His single half was a complete disaster. GG had some pretty pathetic showings, granted, but never anything as bad as what we all saw from Taysom. If he proves me wrong someday and actually does develop into a solid QB, that's fantastic. As of right now, I'm 99% sure that won't happen. I've been watching football for over 20 years, I've seen enough mid to late round and undrafted QB's come along to feel comfortable in my assessment. If you, or anyone else wants to hold onto hope that he's gonna be the exception, then you are of course within your rights to do so. I have as much right and plenty of reason to think otherwise.

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Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals
 

I don't need to keep up, I'm light years ahead of you. I was right there with you hoping that GG would find "it" but he never did, and never could.

GG never showed half the promise Hill did in any realm of athleticism or QB capability. Hill is a project and you don't just toss a project out because of 1 "disastrous" half. You take the context of good and bad and see what they've learned and how they've graded out over the course of camp. You look for progression and if there is none...then you scrap the project.

Again, look again at Payton's reaction after the play I mentioned. I'm guessing he's tracking his progression a little bit closer than you, me, or anyone on the boards. As has been stated we need to see more than 1 half before saying he's got no more than a 1% chance of getting a job.

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Question for you guys ...

Do you believe the Saints will cut Tom Savage & roll with J.T "The Ohio State" Barrett & Taysom Hill?

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I doubt it. I have a feeling Savage will be Drew's backup. I'd like to see Barrett get more opportunities, but I don't see it coming.

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Take your 75 post self back to the locker room and hold the clip board. Grown ups are talking.

As far as Hill goes, I keep hearing how good he is on special teams but nothing he has done sticks out in my mind. I feel like I would remember at least a play or two since he’s such an ace.

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Saintfan,

I do too but here is my reasoning on Barrett. JT has a good arm, solid pocket presence & he's got "I've played for a top 10 program" accuracy throwing into tight windows. I don't think he is ready, but he at least looks like he has the tools to get ready. Give the guy some extra reps & see if he can become the #2.

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I don't disagree. After what I saw last week I'd give Barrett a real shot at #2. The kid looks savvy, and the two guys in front of him looked like poo.

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Bottom line is that if Brees goes down we are screwed.

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In my opinion I don't think SP will cut a veteran QB and leave the backup
role to Rookies. Historically SP usually rolls that way but it seems that he
really likes Taysum, J.T. could be the odd man out.

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I think we all realize it, almost like we are running on borrowed time.
Every game I hold my breath when Drew takes a hit, and of course
comes the short prayer...
Please Lord we Who Dats don't ask for much if there's any way you can
keep him upright for just one more season.

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I know I'll probably get flamed for this (I may deserve it) but I think we've bought too much into that angle. In 11, 12+ years, coach has yet to develop even a backup QB despite taking more than a half dozen bites at the apple. Just about every season we've been left with hoping a veteran can fill the role. I've come to believe that it's simply about talent & we just lack it at the position behind the Great Drew Brees :D.

I hope within the next couple of years, we pick high with real proven talent at the collegiate level & develop at the QB position.

Brees can't do it forever.

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Not sure how we'd be able to pick high coming off back to back Lombardi's.

Just saying.

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Agree 100%. J.T. has those intangibles that are off the charts. It seems no situation is too big for him.

Accuracy can be taught, and he's already pretty darned accurate to boot. His command & the respect he carries as a rookie is unreal. You can't teach that. He can be developed b/c he grasps concepts so quickly as his football IQ is remarkable.

We've now seen Taysom in the big moment crumble under the expectations put on him. Sure it was 1 half & he can certainly rebound, but it's a bit unsettling if he's the #2 and being one hit away from commanding this offense in this division. Honestly I'd take J.T. over Taysom & Savage in that situation.

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Whoa! Slow down there big boy! We are all on the same team here! We don't usually call members out and work graciously to find common ground without resorting to subtle name calling.

I'm glad to see you posting more though. Welcome back.:bng:

EDIT: I like Hill. Read my earlier posts.

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Generally need a 4 digit post total to get personal. I mean, we do it, but its like arguing with your cousins or something.

:banana:

Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals
 

he had a few last year. can't remember how many exactly

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finding a QB is hard, I'd like to see what JT can do over time, but as far as finding another Brees...ain't gonna happen

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Uh no, we have Savage

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Ok. 4 turnovers and one good impressive play. Give me a game manager and run the ball down their throats while we still have a healthy line. Only way we are winning if Brees goes down.
Hill is the second coming of Aaron Brooks.

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First, sorry if I've ruffled feathers of those who sit and post on this board more frequently than I do.

But saying my point is not relevant because it's not bolstered by a +5K post count in my profile is a laughable if not ridiculous premise. Contest me on my points all day long. I don't mind debate.

But anyone puffing out their keyboard warrior chest and strutting around their room like they put me in my place by pointing out my 70 odd posts just shows me they lack the ability to argue the point at hand. My posts were sarcastic, yes. Sorry, but they went at specific points which none of the detractors countered successfully. Hill had 1 half, that doesn't make him garbage. Him coming out at his next opportunity and making the same mistakes without any growth would be a warning sign. Truth.

I'm just saying I don't think he's a bust, especially not at this point.

Slam me all you want for my mainly lurking and reading on topics that interest me versus posting thousands of times. That's okay. It's all good, in the end I'll cheer with any of you at any Saints game if I'm standing nearby.

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To label him a bust is to act as if we gave up something or invested a lot of cash to get him. He just isn’t living up to the hype and doesn’t look like he ever will be anything more than a special teams player. Not sure he’s REALLY all that good at that.
I thought from the beginning Payton was playing some sort of a game hyping this guy up. Didn’t know if it was a draft strategy or building him up in the eyes of the media for use as future trade bait. He’s exposed now.
If Brees goes down I expect us to sign Bridgewater.

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I really do not want to see Savage make this roster. He is washed up as far as I a, concerned. I don't believe in developing a player for 2 or 3 years. Either you go "IT" or you don't. Look at the overall performance of he three players and let the other 2 go. Hill can play special teams which is a plus which may help him stick around and be an emergency option so they may keep 2. I say JT is probably their best option at this point. If he doesn't come around we could be in big trouble. It's really hard to find a franchise quarterback. It looks like there is going to be a big drop off for this team when Brees goes. It's going to take a lot of luck to find his replacement.

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Savage looks like a statue in the pocket, staring down receivers.

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I know I'll probably get flamed for this (I may deserve it) but I think we've bought too much into that angle. In 11, 12+ years, coach has yet to develop even a backup QB despite taking more than a half dozen bites at the apple.

LIKE THE ONE'S I MENTIONED 4 PAGES AGO?
YOUNG QB'S DRAFTED SINCE 2009 TYLER PALKO, SEAN CANFIELD, GARRET GRAYSON THE FREE AGENTS ACTUALLY TO MAKE OTHER ROSTERS CHASE DANIEL AND RYAN GRIFFIN

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I still think coach puts a lot of value in the experienced guy with the clipboard, who has veteran experience when it comes to seeing stuff and talking to Drew and the O line on the sidelines, and especially for having ice water in his veins when holding those crucial kicks and extra points in clutch situations. Mark Brunnell being the classic example, but there have been others. Luke McCown. Coach Payton likes guys like that. Remember, Mark Brunnell was the steady-handed veteran holder for head case kid Hartley, hit the fleur de lis, pigs have flown and all that. Guys like McCown and Brunnell may not have burned up the stat sheet but they were always pretty solid under the bright lights and high pressure on special teams.

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We know what Savage is. No mystery.

We may or may not know about Hill, and Barrett is a wildcard.

If it were up to me (and it's not), I'd sit Savage from here on out and lets see if either of the other two has something to prove. Much as I've been pulling to Hill, I'm starting to think Barrett might be the guy who oughta be holding the clipboard.

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Ummm....ahhhemmmm.

I'll take that as a decent enough bounce back as far as ball security goes. And if he can go like that for 2 points throughout the season he has plenty of added value to make the roster.

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Hill will never, ever see snaps at QB in a regular season game if Brees is healthy. Even if it’s for a 2-point conversion it will never happen.

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Tom Savage clear number 2

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Good game Taysom!

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Re: Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals
 

Larry Holder nailed it

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:popcorn: