First-round pick Marcus Davenport expected to return for Saints this week against Chargers

08-19-2018, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

That's still two first round picks, one guy...

Not all first round picks are created equally. A high first round pick is worth far, far more than a late first rounder. According to the Jimmy Johnson draft value chart the #1 pick (3000) is worth more than SIX times what the #32 pick (590) is valued.

According to the same chart the Saints moved the #27 pick (680) and the future 2019 pick which can be as low as #32 (590) and the 2018 #147 pick (32.2) for the 2018 #14 pick (1100). The relative values would be 1300.2 for 1100. Since New Orleans was the franchise initiating the deal it is expected to be a bit on the lower value end. All in all it isn't a bad deal at all, especially if Davenport pans out to be a top end edge rusher.

Rugby Saint II · 08-19-2018, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Brees getting close to riding off in the sunset. If not for that no way we reach for Davenport. I don't expect much from him until late in the season.

When Brees does eventually ride off to the sunset then our defense should be able to carry us while we find his replacement. Although, if Brees plays several more years we will have a lot of contracts coming due and will need to pony up the money to keep our defense together.

However, if we can draft a rookie QB who will play on his first contract, then we don't have to look at free agents on the open market or make some Mickey Loomis extravagant type of trade, then we will have the capital to keep the unit intact.

A rookie QB benefits by having a strong defense(along with the O-line of course).

jeanpierre · 08-19-2018, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not all first round picks are created equally. A high first round pick is worth far, far more than a late first rounder. According to the Jimmy Johnson draft value chart the #1 pick (3000) is worth more than SIX times what the #32 pick (590) is valued.

According to the same chart the Saints moved the #27 pick (680) and the future 2019 pick which can be as low as #32 (590) and the 2018 #147 pick (32.2) for the 2018 #14 pick (1100). The relative values would be 1300.2 for 1100. Since New Orleans was the franchise initiating the deal it is expected to be a bit on the lower value end. All in all it isn't a bad deal at all, especially if Davenport pans out to be a top end edge rusher.

Agreed. Good Point. I hear ya. Am with you on the points values as well...

But Ryan Ramczyk was a late first rounder, but a first round pick with a fifth year option nonetheless...

How many teams would like to re-draft just the 2017 first round picks alone. I'd bet Ramczyk goes in the first sixteen...

Those first round picks are huyuge!!! And I'd taken Ramczyk over Davenport seven days a week and three times on Sunday...

voodooido · 08-19-2018, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Brees getting close to riding off in the sunset. If not for that no way we reach for Davenport. I don't expect much from him until late in the season.

With this trade I expect Drew back next year and possibly the following. If they thought he would retire or not re-sign they would of never made this trade.

shawnkytonk · 08-19-2018, 08:41 PM

One thing about Payton is that when he trades up for a guy, minus Von Bell, it tends to work out.

The Dude · 08-19-2018, 09:00 PM

He BETTER contribute given what we gave for him. He needs to be as close to a sure thing as it gets. So far we have nothing.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 08-19-2018, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

He BETTER contribute given what we gave for him. He needs to be as close to a sure thing as it gets. So far we have nothing.

Why exactly are you putting the responsibility on the player to be productive because of decisions that the front office and Payton made relative to the player. Davenport didn't engineer the trade. Davenport would have been picked in the mid teens regardless with exactly the same talent level he has now. So I see it that the Saints organization has ther responsibility to give Davenport the support and coaching necessary to justify the trade.

We saw exactly the same thing when the Saints jumped back into the first round to draft Ingram. A lot of folks were blaming the player for not having production to match the trade. It's taken some time, but I think we can all agree that Ingram's gotten there.

SFIAH

The Dude · 08-19-2018, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Why exactly are you putting the responsibility on the player to be productive because of decisions that the front office and Payton made relative to the player. Davenport didn't engineer the trade. Davenport would have been picked in the mid teens regardless with exactly the same talent level he has now. So I see it that the Saints organization has ther responsibility to give Davenport the support and coaching necessary to justify the trade.

We saw exactly the same thing when the Saints jumped back into the first round to draft Ingram. A lot of folks were blaming the player for not having production to match the trade. It's taken some time, but I think we can all agree that Ingram's gotten there.

SFIAH

That was really what I was saying. For the FO own good he better be a pretty sure thing. No reflection on the player unless he’s just lazy or a problem

Beastmode · 08-19-2018, 11:33 PM

He'll likely deliver late in the season when we need it. Both playoff games looked liked carbon copies of hoping and praying we stop the hail mary's. We did stop one of them but barely. Pass rush sucked down the stretch. It was a void that had to be dealt with or die trying.

K Major · 08-20-2018, 10:20 AM

Completely agree with post #17 (SaintFanInATLHell).

I'm already prepared for the premature Davenport "suck" thread when he doesn't get 6.5 sacks, 2 FF, pick six, passing TD & win the 2020 Democratic Nomination for Presidency in week 1.

The bias against certain players on this board is usually immediate after drafting them just like my man Mark Ingram. It's either Davenport shut them up Day 1 or he'll forever being a polarizing character.

08-19-2018, 01:15 PM	#11
Threaded by AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by jeanpierre That's still two first round picks, one guy... Not all first round picks are created equally. A high first round pick is worth far, far more than a late first rounder. According to the Jimmy Johnson draft value chart the #1 pick (3000) is worth more than SIX times what the #32 pick (590) is valued. According to the same chart the Saints moved the #27 pick (680) and the future 2019 pick which can be as low as #32 (590) and the 2018 #147 pick (32.2) for the 2018 #14 pick (1100). The relative values would be 1300.2 for 1100. Since New Orleans was the franchise initiating the deal it is expected to be a bit on the lower value end. All in all it isn't a bad deal at all, especially if Davenport pans out to be a top end edge rusher. Rugby Saint II and Thirty3 like this.
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08-19-2018, 01:56 PM	#12
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: First-round pick Marcus Davenport expected to return for Saints this week against Chargers Originally Posted by Beastmode Brees getting close to riding off in the sunset. If not for that no way we reach for Davenport. I don't expect much from him until late in the season. When Brees does eventually ride off to the sunset then our defense should be able to carry us while we find his replacement. Although, if Brees plays several more years we will have a lot of contracts coming due and will need to pony up the money to keep our defense together. However, if we can draft a rookie QB who will play on his first contract, then we don't have to look at free agents on the open market or make some Mickey Loomis extravagant type of trade, then we will have the capital to keep the unit intact. A rookie QB benefits by having a strong defense(along with the O-line of course).
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08-19-2018, 06:40 PM	#13
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: First-round pick Marcus Davenport expected to return for Saints this week against Chargers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not all first round picks are created equally. A high first round pick is worth far, far more than a late first rounder. According to the Jimmy Johnson draft value chart the #1 pick (3000) is worth more than SIX times what the #32 pick (590) is valued. According to the same chart the Saints moved the #27 pick (680) and the future 2019 pick which can be as low as #32 (590) and the 2018 #147 pick (32.2) for the 2018 #14 pick (1100). The relative values would be 1300.2 for 1100. Since New Orleans was the franchise initiating the deal it is expected to be a bit on the lower value end. All in all it isn't a bad deal at all, especially if Davenport pans out to be a top end edge rusher. Agreed. Good Point. I hear ya. Am with you on the points values as well... But Ryan Ramczyk was a late first rounder, but a first round pick with a fifth year option nonetheless... How many teams would like to re-draft just the 2017 first round picks alone. I'd bet Ramczyk goes in the first sixteen... Those first round picks are huyuge!!! And I'd taken Ramczyk over Davenport seven days a week and three times on Sunday...

08-19-2018, 07:13 PM	#14
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770	Re: First-round pick Marcus Davenport expected to return for Saints this week against Chargers Originally Posted by Beastmode Brees getting close to riding off in the sunset. If not for that no way we reach for Davenport. I don't expect much from him until late in the season. With this trade I expect Drew back next year and possibly the following. If they thought he would retire or not re-sign they would of never made this trade.
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08-19-2018, 08:41 PM	#15
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: First-round pick Marcus Davenport expected to return for Saints this week against Chargers One thing about Payton is that when he trades up for a guy, minus Von Bell, it tends to work out.

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08-19-2018, 09:00 PM	#16
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: First-round pick Marcus Davenport expected to return for Saints this week against Chargers He BETTER contribute given what we gave for him. He needs to be as close to a sure thing as it gets. So far we have nothing.
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08-19-2018, 09:17 PM	#17
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: First-round pick Marcus Davenport expected to return for Saints this week against Chargers Originally Posted by The Dude He BETTER contribute given what we gave for him. He needs to be as close to a sure thing as it gets. So far we have nothing. Why exactly are you putting the responsibility on the player to be productive because of decisions that the front office and Payton made relative to the player. Davenport didn't engineer the trade. Davenport would have been picked in the mid teens regardless with exactly the same talent level he has now. So I see it that the Saints organization has ther responsibility to give Davenport the support and coaching necessary to justify the trade. We saw exactly the same thing when the Saints jumped back into the first round to draft Ingram. A lot of folks were blaming the player for not having production to match the trade. It's taken some time, but I think we can all agree that Ingram's gotten there. SFIAH Crusader, K Major, rezburna and 1 others like this.
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08-19-2018, 10:27 PM	#18
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: First-round pick Marcus Davenport expected to return for Saints this week against Chargers Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Why exactly are you putting the responsibility on the player to be productive because of decisions that the front office and Payton made relative to the player. Davenport didn't engineer the trade. Davenport would have been picked in the mid teens regardless with exactly the same talent level he has now. So I see it that the Saints organization has ther responsibility to give Davenport the support and coaching necessary to justify the trade. We saw exactly the same thing when the Saints jumped back into the first round to draft Ingram. A lot of folks were blaming the player for not having production to match the trade. It's taken some time, but I think we can all agree that Ingram's gotten there. SFIAH That was really what I was saying. For the FO own good he better be a pretty sure thing. No reflection on the player unless he’s just lazy or a problem
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08-19-2018, 11:33 PM	#19
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: First-round pick Marcus Davenport expected to return for Saints this week against Chargers He'll likely deliver late in the season when we need it. Both playoff games looked liked carbon copies of hoping and praying we stop the hail mary's. We did stop one of them but barely. Pass rush sucked down the stretch. It was a void that had to be dealt with or die trying.
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08-20-2018, 10:20 AM	#20
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: First-round pick Marcus Davenport expected to return for Saints this week against Chargers Completely agree with post #17 (SaintFanInATLHell). I'm already prepared for the premature Davenport "suck" thread when he doesn't get 6.5 sacks, 2 FF, pick six, passing TD & win the 2020 Democratic Nomination for Presidency in week 1. The bias against certain players on this board is usually immediate after drafting them just like my man Mark Ingram. It's either Davenport shut them up Day 1 or he'll forever being a polarizing character. rezburna likes this.

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