Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations

08-27-2018, 10:36 PM

And who is Brees trying to prove his point to? Us the fans?
Payton and every other player on that offense knew Ginn was out of position. Why would Brees feel the need to point it out? The coaches and players aren’t simpletons, if you saw it and it was obvious enough for you to turn to your friends and point it out then you can bet the coaches and players on the actual field saw it.
Brees is too much of a competitor to jeopardize even a preseason game to prove a point. He is much more likely to address Ginn right then and there.

jeanpierre · 08-28-2018, 06:15 PM

As I suggested, perhaps Brees did it, in a PreSeason game, to highlight that Ginn was running the route in the wrong position...

A less costly PreSeason Mistake is an excellent learning lesson the following week in film room; and to prevent mistakes when the games count...

Do you not realize that Brees sits in with the coaches during game-planning and to discuss these things and has earned an extra level of trust, respect?

Are or you one of these guys that thinks Payton walks out of a film room with two tablets of stone with all the plays drawn up the morning of game day?

The Dude · 08-28-2018, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

As I suggested, perhaps Brees did it, in a PreSeason game, to highlight that Ginn was running the route in the wrong position...

A less costly PreSeason Mistake is an excellent learning lesson the following week in film room; and to prevent mistakes when the games count...

Do you not realize that Brees sits in with the coaches during game-planning and to discuss these things and has earned an extra level of trust, respect?

Are or you one of these guys that thinks Payton walks out of a film room with two tablets of stone with all the plays drawn up the morning of game day?

Highlight it for whose benefit? The coaches and other offensive players already know he’s out of position as soon as the ball is snapped. They don’t need to have it “pointed out”. There is no point in doing so. The whole conspiracy theory just seems like a way to be a Brees apologist. Even if it wasn’t all Drew’s fault.
More likely that he saw Ginn out of position and threw a pass he normally wouldn’t throw in the regular season but since it’s preseason might as well try.
If it was a young guy then MAYBE I could buy Brees doing it to teach a lesson to the young receiver but Ginn is a vet and knows better.

jeanpierre · 08-28-2018, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Highlight it for whose benefit? The coaches and other offensive players already know he’s out of position as soon as the ball is snapped. They don’t need to have it “pointed out”. There is no point in doing so. The whole conspiracy theory just seems like a way to be a Brees apologist. Even if it wasn’t all Drew’s fault.
More likely that he saw Ginn out of position and threw a pass he normally wouldn’t throw in the regular season but since it’s preseason might as well try.
If it was a young guy then MAYBE I could buy Brees doing it to teach a lesson to the young receiver but Ginn is a vet and knows better.

Nola.com: 'Average at best.' Sean Payton not pleased with wide receiver play

..."In general, watching it for two weeks now, it hasn't been good," Payton said. "I think the receiver play has been average at best"...

...Payton said veteran receiver Ted Ginn twice either ran the wrong route or was not aligned properly.

"It's in the details," Payton said. "And listen, we've got to ask are we asking the right guys to do it? And are we asking them to do too much? But I think it's been sloppy, honestly"...

Originally Posted by The Dude

...Ginn is a vet and knows better.

Quarterbacks, trusted by their coaches, who know their jobs, do actually make statement plays to get their teammates attention...

And it's not unheard of - even the Dolphins Tanneyhill just through a rookie out of a huddle for not knowing blocking assignments...

So to ponder that Brees threw the ball where it was "planned to be" to show that Ginn was again out of position, is not the stretch you seem to think it is...

Knowing how much preparation Brees puts, don't you think he'd demand the same from teammates? especially, as you aptly posted how...

Originally Posted by The Dude

...Brees is too much of a competitor...

The Dude · 08-28-2018, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Nola.com: 'Average at best.' Sean Payton not pleased with wide receiver play

..."In general, watching it for two weeks now, it hasn't been good," Payton said. "I think the receiver play has been average at best"...

...Payton said veteran receiver Ted Ginn twice either ran the wrong route or was not aligned properly.

"It's in the details," Payton said. "And listen, we've got to ask are we asking the right guys to do it? And are we asking them to do too much? But I think it's been sloppy, honestly"...

Quarterbacks, trusted by their coaches, who know their jobs, do actually make statement plays to get their teammates attention...

And it's not unheard of - even the Dolphins Tanneyhill just through a rookie out of a huddle for not knowing blocking assignments...

So to ponder that Brees threw the ball where it was "planned to be" to show that Ginn was again out of position, is not the stretch you seem to think it is...

Knowing how much preparation Brees puts, don't you think he'd demand the same from teammates? especially, as you aptly posted how...

Tannahil throwing a receiver out of a huddle is one thing, I even said Brees probably confronted him after the play but saying he threw an interception on purpose is different. There are better ways to get your point across.

08-27-2018, 10:36 PM	#31
Threaded by The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048 Rating: (0 votes - average) And who is Brees trying to prove his point to? Us the fans? Payton and every other player on that offense knew Ginn was out of position. Why would Brees feel the need to point it out? The coaches and players aren’t simpletons, if you saw it and it was obvious enough for you to turn to your friends and point it out then you can bet the coaches and players on the actual field saw it. Brees is too much of a competitor to jeopardize even a preseason game to prove a point. He is much more likely to address Ginn right then and there.
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08-28-2018, 06:15 PM	#32
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations As I suggested, perhaps Brees did it, in a PreSeason game, to highlight that Ginn was running the route in the wrong position... A less costly PreSeason Mistake is an excellent learning lesson the following week in film room; and to prevent mistakes when the games count... Do you not realize that Brees sits in with the coaches during game-planning and to discuss these things and has earned an extra level of trust, respect? Are or you one of these guys that thinks Payton walks out of a film room with two tablets of stone with all the plays drawn up the morning of game day?
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08-28-2018, 10:27 PM	#33
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations Originally Posted by jeanpierre As I suggested, perhaps Brees did it, in a PreSeason game, to highlight that Ginn was running the route in the wrong position... A less costly PreSeason Mistake is an excellent learning lesson the following week in film room; and to prevent mistakes when the games count... Do you not realize that Brees sits in with the coaches during game-planning and to discuss these things and has earned an extra level of trust, respect? Are or you one of these guys that thinks Payton walks out of a film room with two tablets of stone with all the plays drawn up the morning of game day? Highlight it for whose benefit? The coaches and other offensive players already know he’s out of position as soon as the ball is snapped. They don’t need to have it “pointed out”. There is no point in doing so. The whole conspiracy theory just seems like a way to be a Brees apologist. Even if it wasn’t all Drew’s fault. More likely that he saw Ginn out of position and threw a pass he normally wouldn’t throw in the regular season but since it’s preseason might as well try. If it was a young guy then MAYBE I could buy Brees doing it to teach a lesson to the young receiver but Ginn is a vet and knows better.
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08-28-2018, 11:00 PM	#34
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations Originally Posted by The Dude Highlight it for whose benefit? The coaches and other offensive players already know he’s out of position as soon as the ball is snapped. They don’t need to have it “pointed out”. There is no point in doing so. The whole conspiracy theory just seems like a way to be a Brees apologist. Even if it wasn’t all Drew’s fault. More likely that he saw Ginn out of position and threw a pass he normally wouldn’t throw in the regular season but since it’s preseason might as well try. If it was a young guy then MAYBE I could buy Brees doing it to teach a lesson to the young receiver but Ginn is a vet and knows better. Nola.com: 'Average at best.' Sean Payton not pleased with wide receiver play ..."In general, watching it for two weeks now, it hasn't been good," Payton said. "I think the receiver play has been average at best"... ...Payton said veteran receiver Ted Ginn twice either ran the wrong route or was not aligned properly. "It's in the details," Payton said. "And listen, we've got to ask are we asking the right guys to do it? And are we asking them to do too much? But I think it's been sloppy, honestly"... Originally Posted by The Dude ...Ginn is a vet and knows better. Quarterbacks, trusted by their coaches, who know their jobs, do actually make statement plays to get their teammates attention... And it's not unheard of - even the Dolphins Tanneyhill just through a rookie out of a huddle for not knowing blocking assignments... So to ponder that Brees threw the ball where it was "planned to be" to show that Ginn was again out of position, is not the stretch you seem to think it is... Knowing how much preparation Brees puts, don't you think he'd demand the same from teammates? especially, as you aptly posted how... Originally Posted by The Dude ...Brees is too much of a competitor...
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08-28-2018, 11:34 PM	#35
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations Originally Posted by jeanpierre Nola.com: 'Average at best.' Sean Payton not pleased with wide receiver play ..."In general, watching it for two weeks now, it hasn't been good," Payton said. "I think the receiver play has been average at best"... ...Payton said veteran receiver Ted Ginn twice either ran the wrong route or was not aligned properly. "It's in the details," Payton said. "And listen, we've got to ask are we asking the right guys to do it? And are we asking them to do too much? But I think it's been sloppy, honestly"... Quarterbacks, trusted by their coaches, who know their jobs, do actually make statement plays to get their teammates attention... And it's not unheard of - even the Dolphins Tanneyhill just through a rookie out of a huddle for not knowing blocking assignments... So to ponder that Brees threw the ball where it was "planned to be" to show that Ginn was again out of position, is not the stretch you seem to think it is... Knowing how much preparation Brees puts, don't you think he'd demand the same from teammates? especially, as you aptly posted how... Tannahil throwing a receiver out of a huddle is one thing, I even said Brees probably confronted him after the play but saying he threw an interception on purpose is different. There are better ways to get your point across.
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