what a bad draft pick

papz · 05-17-2005, 11:55 AM

Good point Euph... I guess the Browns should just release Kellen Winslow as well. It was a 4th round pick, it's not like he was going to make a major contribution to this team. Given his history, he was drafted earlier than expected... but based on talent alone, I don't think we should be so quick to judge him. The same can be said about Sullivan... wasted pick at that point in the draft, but it's not time to give up on them. Young players need time.

o1higuy · 05-17-2005, 11:55 AM

I think I read where this guy had like 6 surgeries in college. Also what happened to no more projects...we need people that can step right in and play. I can understand taking a chance on someone but drafting someone who has had almost as many surguries as games played? In the 4th round at that. Wow! Why not take that chance in the 6th or later.

papz · 05-17-2005, 11:58 AM

Good point Euph... I guess the Browns should just release Kellen Winslow as well. It was a 4th round pick, it's not like he was going to make a major contribution to this team. Given his history, he was drafted earlier than expected... but based on talent alone, I don't think we should be so quick to judge him. The same can be said about Sullivan... wasted pick at that point in the draft, but it's not time to give up on them. Young players need time.

saintswhodi · 05-17-2005, 12:04 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but Kellen Winslow did not have injury problems in college correct? If he had played in as few games as Lyman, he would not have been a first round pick. The fact is, this was a blown pick. I would rather we had taken weedhead Hawthorne or Roydell Williams than take a guy who seems to get hurt if he sneezes. Chase Lyman = Mr. Glass from Unbreakable. Comparing him to Kellen Winslow is an unfathomable stretch IMO.

papz · 05-17-2005, 12:18 PM

So quick to judge... I hope Lyman and Sullivan will proves you guys wrong down the road. Some of you all have no faith.

I hope our 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks all make the team and make solid contributions to our team this year. If not they would all be busted picks considering the were all drafted on the SECOND day of the draft. *cough*

tiggerpolice · 05-17-2005, 12:24 PM

So quick to judge... I hope Lyman and Sullivan will proves you guys wrong down the road. Some of you all have no faith.

i hope they prove us wrong also.......especially Sullivan ...cause if he comes through for and help B. Young then we might be able to stop the run.

VooDoo · 05-17-2005, 12:24 PM

Chase Lyman was a risk. But he was a 4th round risk.

The player that the Saints really took a chance on, IMO, is Adrian McPhearson. I think character is one of the most important things a player can have. And McPhearson has proven more than once that his character is very questionable.

You've got young guys playing for the Saints who could be influenced by McPherson. That's risky business.

Maybe McPhearson has cleaned his act up. But it's a big risk nevertheless. Which is why all the other teams passed him by. This is one pick we shouldn't have made. Guys like him usually live a life full of mitakes. If it's not one thing it's another.

saintswhodi · 05-17-2005, 12:28 PM

I think papzy you are a little biased in that you tried to sell us on Lyman when he was drafted. You like the guy, and are cutting the team slack for taking him. Which is cool. But when we drafted him, and his injury history came out, the majority immediately questioned his durability. Montrae Holland was a 4th round pick so 4th rounders can contribute. Now how interesting is it the very FIRST practice, the guy is done for the year. Seems like that was something that could have been seen in advance due to the fact he was never healthy for any decent stretch in college. It's all good man, this was a bad pick. The guy's injury history should have been a red flag, but it wasn't, and we let talented players slip by. We have already waited two years for Sully to do anything, so his window to prove anyone wrong is closing. Should we hold out hope for Cie Grant too? I hear he is walking now.

ScottyRo · 05-17-2005, 12:35 PM

You've got to weigh the risk of the pick against the potential value and factor in the price. McPherson as a 5th round pick is not that expensive. He has issues in his past, but hasn't done anything wrong in a while (low risk). His value on the other hand can be huge. I think he's well worth it.

Lyman is similar, but much more risky. He was only a 4th round pick - not terribly expensive. However, he had injury problems his entire college career - that's high risk. His potential value is hard to ascertain. Would ha have been anything more than a backup? As injury prone as he is it seems unlikely that he could have, but who knows?

papz · 05-17-2005, 12:37 PM

True true... I am being biased because I do like the guy. But I also agreed with everyone that we did in fact take him too soon. I was all for taking Boley or Hawthorne before this guy. He would have made a better 6th round pick with all the injury concerns. I'm just pointing out that we are giving up on him too soon. Give him a little slack. Wasted 4th round pick... yes I do agree because I was not in favor of taking him so soon. But I do not regret us drafting him one bit. I'm all for high risk high reward young players...

VooDoo you make a good point with McPhearson.

05-17-2005, 11:55 AM	#12
o1higuy 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 189	I think I read where this guy had like 6 surgeries in college. Also what happened to no more projects...we need people that can step right in and play. I can understand taking a chance on someone but drafting someone who has had almost as many surguries as games played? In the 4th round at that. Wow! Why not take that chance in the 6th or later.
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05-17-2005, 12:24 PM	#17
VooDoo Rookie Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 25	Chase Lyman was a risk. But he was a 4th round risk. The player that the Saints really took a chance on, IMO, is Adrian McPhearson. I think character is one of the most important things a player can have. And McPhearson has proven more than once that his character is very questionable. You've got young guys playing for the Saints who could be influenced by McPherson. That's risky business. Maybe McPhearson has cleaned his act up. But it's a big risk nevertheless. Which is why all the other teams passed him by. This is one pick we shouldn't have made. Guys like him usually live a life full of mitakes. If it's not one thing it's another.
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05-17-2005, 11:55 AM	#11
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Good point Euph... I guess the Browns should just release Kellen Winslow as well. It was a 4th round pick, it's not like he was going to make a major contribution to this team. Given his history, he was drafted earlier than expected... but based on talent alone, I don't think we should be so quick to judge him. The same can be said about Sullivan... wasted pick at that point in the draft, but it's not time to give up on them. Young players need time.

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05-17-2005, 11:58 AM	#13
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Good point Euph... I guess the Browns should just release Kellen Winslow as well. It was a 4th round pick, it's not like he was going to make a major contribution to this team. Given his history, he was drafted earlier than expected... but based on talent alone, I don't think we should be so quick to judge him. The same can be said about Sullivan... wasted pick at that point in the draft, but it's not time to give up on them. Young players need time.

05-17-2005, 12:04 PM	#14
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Correct me if I am wrong, but Kellen Winslow did not have injury problems in college correct? If he had played in as few games as Lyman, he would not have been a first round pick. The fact is, this was a blown pick. I would rather we had taken weedhead Hawthorne or Roydell Williams than take a guy who seems to get hurt if he sneezes. Chase Lyman = Mr. Glass from Unbreakable. Comparing him to Kellen Winslow is an unfathomable stretch IMO.

05-17-2005, 12:18 PM	#15
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	So quick to judge... I hope Lyman and Sullivan will proves you guys wrong down the road. Some of you all have no faith. I hope our 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks all make the team and make solid contributions to our team this year. If not they would all be busted picks considering the were all drafted on the SECOND day of the draft. cough

05-17-2005, 12:24 PM	#16
tiggerpolice 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: new orleans Posts: 584	So quick to judge... I hope Lyman and Sullivan will proves you guys wrong down the road. Some of you all have no faith. i hope they prove us wrong also.......especially Sullivan ...cause if he comes through for and help B. Young then we might be able to stop the run.

05-17-2005, 12:28 PM	#18
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I think papzy you are a little biased in that you tried to sell us on Lyman when he was drafted. You like the guy, and are cutting the team slack for taking him. Which is cool. But when we drafted him, and his injury history came out, the majority immediately questioned his durability. Montrae Holland was a 4th round pick so 4th rounders can contribute. Now how interesting is it the very FIRST practice, the guy is done for the year. Seems like that was something that could have been seen in advance due to the fact he was never healthy for any decent stretch in college. It's all good man, this was a bad pick. The guy's injury history should have been a red flag, but it wasn't, and we let talented players slip by. We have already waited two years for Sully to do anything, so his window to prove anyone wrong is closing. Should we hold out hope for Cie Grant too? I hear he is walking now.

05-17-2005, 12:35 PM	#19
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	You've got to weigh the risk of the pick against the potential value and factor in the price. McPherson as a 5th round pick is not that expensive. He has issues in his past, but hasn't done anything wrong in a while (low risk). His value on the other hand can be huge. I think he's well worth it. Lyman is similar, but much more risky. He was only a 4th round pick - not terribly expensive. However, he had injury problems his entire college career - that's high risk. His potential value is hard to ascertain. Would ha have been anything more than a backup? As injury prone as he is it seems unlikely that he could have, but who knows?

05-17-2005, 12:37 PM	#20
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	True true... I am being biased because I do like the guy. But I also agreed with everyone that we did in fact take him too soon. I was all for taking Boley or Hawthorne before this guy. He would have made a better 6th round pick with all the injury concerns. I'm just pointing out that we are giving up on him too soon. Give him a little slack. Wasted 4th round pick... yes I do agree because I was not in favor of taking him so soon. But I do not regret us drafting him one bit. I'm all for high risk high reward young players... VooDoo you make a good point with McPhearson.