Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay

09-10-2018, 12:03 AM

I'd never have signed Davis to that kind of money after he had only one positive graded season in his career...

And if we still had Stupar, my LBers would be Anzalone - Robertson - Stupar - and I know the results would've been better than today...

CharityMike · 09-10-2018, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Dude I watched that play. It's ridiculous. That hit was clean last year.

Absolutely correct but this yr it is way different. And until these fools (not just our team) get it through there thick heads, we are gonna see a lot of penalties like this. Driving the QB to the ground like he did Fitz, is so uncalled for. You don't have to body slam them, ESPECIALLY after he has already thrown the ball. This is not rocket science.

Rsanders24 · 09-10-2018, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Yep. As of this year you aren't allowed to come down with your full weight on the QB. You have to roll off to the side of them as you come down. Against bigger QB's this is going to really suck. I expect a lot more missed sacks as a result.

I call it the Aaron Rodgers Rule...and it’s going to suck because the QBs that fight for every yard and are elusive will break out of a lot of sacks because defensive players will be scared they are going to get a flag...

Rsanders24 · 09-10-2018, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'd never have signed Davis to that kind of money after he had only one positive graded season in his career...

And if we still had Stupar, my LBers would be Anzalone - Robertson - Stupar - and I know the results would've been better than today...

I don’t understand why you would pay him all that money and change his position. You paid him based on what he accomplished in the middle...and the first thing you want to do is make him play a position that he has not played in his NFL career? There were plenty of WLB that we could have signed in the offseason. Of course that’s not the Saints way...

Supertek · 09-10-2018, 08:16 AM

I think we let some of the wrong people go when the roster was trimmed. Giselle definitely has to go. Should have kept Lawrence and Tate and Scott or Williams. Our supposed strength turned out to be our greatest weakness secondary issues and linebacker was dismal. For me it's only one game. The question is does this team really have the players defensively to bounce back and I'm just not sure. I have never seen anything like this some players are going to have to sit and Payton and Allen better get their **** together.

ChrisXVI · 09-10-2018, 08:47 AM

Another thing... Why does our defense always need “wake-up calls”? We have three 1st round picks on the D-Line and a Pro Bowl DROY at CB and these guys can’t impose their will. That’s a culture problem. I see a whole lot of other teams with good defenses who don’t need “wake-up calls.”

spkb25 · 09-10-2018, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Another thing... Why does our defense always need “wake-up calls”? We have three 1st round picks on the D-Line and a Pro Bowl DROY at CB and these guys can’t impose their will. That’s a culture problem. I see a whole lot of other teams with good defenses who don’t need “wake-up calls.”

Shankins was picked in the first, but beyond his first season and after NF was gone has he done Diddley poo?

I like your post, it is spot on

K Major · 09-10-2018, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'd never have signed Davis to that kind of money after he had only one positive graded season in his career...

And if we still had Stupar, my LBers would be Anzalone - Robertson - Stupar - and I know the results would've been better than today...

Stupar is a good special teams player. Nothing more.

Davis is our best linebacker who is playing out of position.

brees84 · 09-10-2018, 11:10 AM

Lattimore is not in football shape. At 100% no way Mike Evans creates that kind of separation and runs away from him. Lattimore always had that 2nd gear. I didn't see that yesterday. Looked really slow out there.

D-line players are overrated. Onemayata is the only guy that is discruptive and I would extend him rather than Rankins (never understood the hype).

Our LBs? Always out of position. Why are they always changing something that works. New roles, starting inferior talent, Robertson on the bench...

Dennis Allen sucks at defending 3rd and long. It's not just one game. Ever since he became DC it's happening on regular basis.

K Major · 09-10-2018, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by brees84

Dennis Allen sucks at defending 3rd and long. It's not just one game. Ever since he became DC it's happening on regular basis.

That's a problem.

09-10-2018, 12:03 AM	#61
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09-10-2018, 12:10 AM	#62
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by jnormand Dude I watched that play. It's ridiculous. That hit was clean last year. Absolutely correct but this yr it is way different. And until these fools (not just our team) get it through there thick heads, we are gonna see a lot of penalties like this. Driving the QB to the ground like he did Fitz, is so uncalled for. You don't have to body slam them, ESPECIALLY after he has already thrown the ball. This is not rocket science.

09-10-2018, 07:23 AM	#63
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by frydaddy Yep. As of this year you aren't allowed to come down with your full weight on the QB. You have to roll off to the side of them as you come down. Against bigger QB's this is going to really suck. I expect a lot more missed sacks as a result. I call it the Aaron Rodgers Rule...and it’s going to suck because the QBs that fight for every yard and are elusive will break out of a lot of sacks because defensive players will be scared they are going to get a flag...

09-10-2018, 07:46 AM	#64
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'd never have signed Davis to that kind of money after he had only one positive graded season in his career... And if we still had Stupar, my LBers would be Anzalone - Robertson - Stupar - and I know the results would've been better than today... I don’t understand why you would pay him all that money and change his position. You paid him based on what he accomplished in the middle...and the first thing you want to do is make him play a position that he has not played in his NFL career? There were plenty of WLB that we could have signed in the offseason. Of course that’s not the Saints way... CharityMike, Rell&Gold and rezburna like this.

09-10-2018, 08:16 AM	#65
Supertek 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Harvey La. Posts: 611	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay I think we let some of the wrong people go when the roster was trimmed. Giselle definitely has to go. Should have kept Lawrence and Tate and Scott or Williams. Our supposed strength turned out to be our greatest weakness secondary issues and linebacker was dismal. For me it's only one game. The question is does this team really have the players defensively to bounce back and I'm just not sure. I have never seen anything like this some players are going to have to sit and Payton and Allen better get their **** together.

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09-10-2018, 08:47 AM	#66
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Another thing... Why does our defense always need “wake-up calls”? We have three 1st round picks on the D-Line and a Pro Bowl DROY at CB and these guys can’t impose their will. That’s a culture problem. I see a whole lot of other teams with good defenses who don’t need “wake-up calls.” SmashMouth, jeanpierre, CharityMike and 2 others like this.

09-10-2018, 09:05 AM	#67
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Another thing... Why does our defense always need “wake-up calls”? We have three 1st round picks on the D-Line and a Pro Bowl DROY at CB and these guys can’t impose their will. That’s a culture problem. I see a whole lot of other teams with good defenses who don’t need “wake-up calls.” Shankins was picked in the first, but beyond his first season and after NF was gone has he done Diddley poo? I like your post, it is spot on rezburna likes this.

09-10-2018, 09:11 AM	#68
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'd never have signed Davis to that kind of money after he had only one positive graded season in his career... And if we still had Stupar, my LBers would be Anzalone - Robertson - Stupar - and I know the results would've been better than today... Stupar is a good special teams player. Nothing more. Davis is our best linebacker who is playing out of position. rezburna likes this.

09-10-2018, 11:10 AM	#69
brees84 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,015	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Lattimore is not in football shape. At 100% no way Mike Evans creates that kind of separation and runs away from him. Lattimore always had that 2nd gear. I didn't see that yesterday. Looked really slow out there. D-line players are overrated. Onemayata is the only guy that is discruptive and I would extend him rather than Rankins (never understood the hype). Our LBs? Always out of position. Why are they always changing something that works. New roles, starting inferior talent, Robertson on the bench... Dennis Allen sucks at defending 3rd and long. It's not just one game. Ever since he became DC it's happening on regular basis. Barry from MS, K Major, rezburna and 1 others like this.
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09-10-2018, 11:15 AM	#70
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by brees84 Dennis Allen sucks at defending 3rd and long. It's not just one game. Ever since he became DC it's happening on regular basis. That's a problem.

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