Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay

jeanpierre · 09-09-2018, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Kind of puzzling on Craig. He couldn't have played any worse than Klein or Anzalone today.

Side note - I think as Demario Davis plays more, he'll get better. He did make a few plays today. As many posters have already stated, it makes very little sense to sign a guy, then move him from the position they were successful at. That's on our coaches.

See, don't get the apologist effort for Davis as he was compensated heavily to be our MIKE, couldn't do that; moved to WILL, can't do that either...

On the other hand, Robertson and Stupar looked great from the day they showed up; heck, even Te'o had some great play in his first season...

Maybe we need to borrow a page from the Patriots and quit worrying about the best athletes, but the best football players...

Maybe a half step slower, SPARQ scores less than ideal, heck, just go back and watch Tom Brady's 40 yard combine run...

But those Patriot players are smart, disciplined, and do their job - oh, and they win Championships...

Our defense, heck, our team lacks a healthy balance between athletes and football players...

SmashMouth · 09-09-2018, 09:41 PM

...Looking for the Saints defense.

saintfan · 09-09-2018, 10:20 PM

jeanpierre · 09-09-2018, 11:03 PM

I'd never have signed Davis to that kind of money after he had only one positive graded season in his career...

And if we still had Stupar, my LBers would be Anzalone - Robertson - Stupar - and I know the results would've been better than today...

Rsanders24 · 09-10-2018, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'd never have signed Davis to that kind of money after he had only one positive graded season in his career...

And if we still had Stupar, my LBers would be Anzalone - Robertson - Stupar - and I know the results would've been better than today...

I don’t understand why you would pay him all that money and change his position. You paid him based on what he accomplished in the middle...and the first thing you want to do is make him play a position that he has not played in his NFL career? There were plenty of WLB that we could have signed in the offseason. Of course that’s not the Saints way...

K Major · 09-10-2018, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'd never have signed Davis to that kind of money after he had only one positive graded season in his career...

And if we still had Stupar, my LBers would be Anzalone - Robertson - Stupar - and I know the results would've been better than today...

Stupar is a good special teams player. Nothing more.

Davis is our best linebacker who is playing out of position.

jeanpierre · 09-10-2018, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Stupar is a good special teams player. Nothing more.

Davis is our best linebacker who is playing out of position.

That's not true, Major -every time Stupar's had the opportunity - he's made plays...

Again, too my point, he might not be as quick as Davis, but he's rarely out of position, and he's smarter with better instincts...

Going back to PreSeason, in each game Davis has made dumb mistakes (i.e. Bortles @ Goal Line) that rookies, morons make - not highly compensated veterans...

And if Davis is out of position, I'd question his ability to execute the defense at MIKE much less his position at WILL where he ran up the wrong lane gap often...

K Major · 09-10-2018, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Again, too my point, he might not be as quick as Davis, but he's rarely out of position, and he's smarter with better instincts...

Going back to PreSeason, in each game Davis has made dumb mistakes (i.e. Bortles @ Goal Line) that rookies, morons make - not highly compensated veterans...

Davis is playing out of his natural spot & wasn't kept clean but he can't do it by himself. He made a few plays. The inability thus for Davis to excel here is strictly on the coaches.

At the end of the day, the Saints FO signed a MLB to not play in the middle . Kind of hard to fault a guy for that.

jnormand · 09-10-2018, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Davis is playing out of his natural spot & wasn't kept clean but he can't do it by himself. He made a few plays. The inability thus for Davis to excel here is strictly on the coaches.

At the end of the day, the Saints FO signed a MLB to not play in the middle . Kind of hard to fault a guy for that.

I think its hilarious really. Lol. Okay, so during camp and preseason, I saw all these reports that the LBs were getting all switched around (Davis at strong, Anzalone at Mike and so on). I seriously thought they were just making sure all the LBs knew all the positions. You know...like just in case theres an injury.

But they weren't! They really actually switched these guys around. Who the **** does that?! Lmao!!

I have a feeling we're going to see a lot more 3 safety sets starting next game.

Supertek · 09-10-2018, 07:16 AM

I think we let some of the wrong people go when the roster was trimmed. Giselle definitely has to go. Should have kept Lawrence and Tate and Scott or Williams. Our supposed strength turned out to be our greatest weakness secondary issues and linebacker was dismal. For me it's only one game. The question is does this team really have the players defensively to bounce back and I'm just not sure. I have never seen anything like this some players are going to have to sit and Payton and Allen better get their **** together.

09-09-2018, 11:00 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by K Major Kind of puzzling on Craig. He couldn't have played any worse than Klein or Anzalone today. Side note - I think as Demario Davis plays more, he'll get better. He did make a few plays today. As many posters have already stated, it makes very little sense to sign a guy, then move him from the position they were successful at. That's on our coaches. See, don't get the apologist effort for Davis as he was compensated heavily to be our MIKE, couldn't do that; moved to WILL, can't do that either... On the other hand, Robertson and Stupar looked great from the day they showed up; heck, even Te'o had some great play in his first season... Maybe we need to borrow a page from the Patriots and quit worrying about the best athletes, but the best football players... Maybe a half step slower, SPARQ scores less than ideal, heck, just go back and watch Tom Brady's 40 yard combine run... But those Patriot players are smart, disciplined, and do their job - oh, and they win Championships... Our defense, heck, our team lacks a healthy balance between athletes and football players...
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09-09-2018, 09:41 PM	#2
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay I'd never have signed Davis to that kind of money after he had only one positive graded season in his career... And if we still had Stupar, my LBers would be Anzalone - Robertson - Stupar - and I know the results would've been better than today... dizzle88 and MarchingOn like this.

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Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'd never have signed Davis to that kind of money after he had only one positive graded season in his career... And if we still had Stupar, my LBers would be Anzalone - Robertson - Stupar - and I know the results would've been better than today... I don’t understand why you would pay him all that money and change his position. You paid him based on what he accomplished in the middle...and the first thing you want to do is make him play a position that he has not played in his NFL career? There were plenty of WLB that we could have signed in the offseason. Of course that’s not the Saints way... CharityMike, Rell&Gold and rezburna like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'd never have signed Davis to that kind of money after he had only one positive graded season in his career... And if we still had Stupar, my LBers would be Anzalone - Robertson - Stupar - and I know the results would've been better than today... Stupar is a good special teams player. Nothing more. Davis is our best linebacker who is playing out of position. rezburna likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by K Major Stupar is a good special teams player. Nothing more. Davis is our best linebacker who is playing out of position. That's not true, Major -every time Stupar's had the opportunity - he's made plays... Again, too my point, he might not be as quick as Davis, but he's rarely out of position, and he's smarter with better instincts... Going back to PreSeason, in each game Davis has made dumb mistakes (i.e. Bortles @ Goal Line) that rookies, morons make - not highly compensated veterans... And if Davis is out of position, I'd question his ability to execute the defense at MIKE much less his position at WILL where he ran up the wrong lane gap often... MarchingOn likes this.
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09-10-2018, 10:59 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by jeanpierre Again, too my point, he might not be as quick as Davis, but he's rarely out of position, and he's smarter with better instincts... Going back to PreSeason, in each game Davis has made dumb mistakes (i.e. Bortles @ Goal Line) that rookies, morons make - not highly compensated veterans... Davis is playing out of his natural spot & wasn't kept clean but he can't do it by himself. He made a few plays. The inability thus for Davis to excel here is strictly on the coaches. At the end of the day, the Saints FO signed a MLB to not play in the middle . Kind of hard to fault a guy for that. saintfan, jnormand, Rell&Gold and 3 others like this.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,745	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by K Major Davis is playing out of his natural spot & wasn't kept clean but he can't do it by himself. He made a few plays. The inability thus for Davis to excel here is strictly on the coaches. At the end of the day, the Saints FO signed a MLB to not play in the middle . Kind of hard to fault a guy for that. I think its hilarious really. Lol. Okay, so during camp and preseason, I saw all these reports that the LBs were getting all switched around (Davis at strong, Anzalone at Mike and so on). I seriously thought they were just making sure all the LBs knew all the positions. You know...like just in case theres an injury. But they weren't! They really actually switched these guys around. Who the **** does that?! Lmao!! I have a feeling we're going to see a lot more 3 safety sets starting next game. Rell&Gold and K Major like this.

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Supertek 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Harvey La. Posts: 611	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay I think we let some of the wrong people go when the roster was trimmed. Giselle definitely has to go. Should have kept Lawrence and Tate and Scott or Williams. Our supposed strength turned out to be our greatest weakness secondary issues and linebacker was dismal. For me it's only one game. The question is does this team really have the players defensively to bounce back and I'm just not sure. I have never seen anything like this some players are going to have to sit and Payton and Allen better get their **** together.

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