Two fines for roughing the passer cost Saints tackle David Onyemata more than Week 1 game check

09-18-2018, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Onyemata may be the first player forced to retire because he couldn’t afford to play in the NFL anymore.

Because of the NFL bullcrap.

neugey · 09-19-2018, 11:56 AM

The NFL needs to chill on the QB contact rules. The helmet to helmet I get, excessively late hit I get, hitting a QB while he's sliding I get, but this "landing on the QB" and "picking up QB and driving him to the ground" and specific "target window" where you can hit a QB is just way too broad and the increased emphasis is ridiculous. If they are going to do all this then they need to also count two-hand touch on the QB as an automatic sack so the defense actually can do something again.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-19-2018, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

The NFL needs to chill on the QB contact rules. The helmet to helmet I get, excessively late hit I get, hitting a QB while he's sliding I get, but this "landing on the QB" and "picking up QB and driving him to the ground" and specific "target window" where you can hit a QB is just way too broad and the increased emphasis is ridiculous. If they are going to do all this then they need to also count two-hand touch on the QB as an automatic sack so the defense actually can do something again.

Chilling isn't going to happen. The NFL realizes that there's only about 15 guys on the planet that can play the position well, and that almost everything that brings fans into the games revolve around them. I saw an interview with Von Miller yesterday where he points out that QBs need to be upright for the game to survive.

Defenders will learn new skills. And likely it'll look a lot like 2 handed touch. Sacks will likely turn into a combination of swatting the ball and shoving the QB off balance. The swat will ensure the ball cannot be delivered and hopefully cause a fumble and the shove to put the QB on his back and down without laying on him.

Welcome to the new NFL. When QBs are being paid nearly $35 million a year and teams are dead without them, this is the new reality.

SFIAH

ScottF · 09-19-2018, 02:06 PM

make the fines a percent of the salary and see how quickly you see a difference

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-19-2018, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

make the fines a percent of the salary and see how quickly you see a difference

Do you really want to make defenders hurt? Make it a percentage of the QB's salary. Then QB's will never get touched again.

SFIAH

K Major · 09-19-2018, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Do you really want to make defenders hurt? Make it a percentage of the QB's salary. Then QB's will never get touched again.

SFIAH

We all get it but the "new rule" & the application of it stinks. At the end of the day, I guess the league got what they wanted. Allow a star QB another chance during the 2 minute drill with everything on the line.

The new NFL needs to admit Matthews hit on Cousins was legal and move on.

saintfan · 09-19-2018, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

We all get it but the "new rule" & the application of it stinks. At the end of the day, I guess the league got what they wanted. Allow a star QB another chance during the 2 minute drill with everything on the line.

The new NFL needs to admit Matthews hit on Cousins was legal and move on.

Instead they're using it as an example of what not to do. In other words, please do not tackle the QB.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-19-2018, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

We all get it but the "new rule" & the application of it stinks. At the end of the day, I guess the league got what they wanted. Allow a star QB another chance during the 2 minute drill with everything on the line.

The new NFL needs to admit Matthews hit on Cousins was legal and move on.

I know it seems like I'm defending the rule. I don't really like it, but I understand where the NFL is coming from with it.

The official ruling is that it was a foul because Matthews picked him up. Any lifting of the QB is consider a precursor for driving the QB into the ground.

The whole process is dumb. QBs cannot be tackled legally in any real sense. Any action looking like a legit tackle comes across as driving into the ground. That's why the new QB "tackle" is going to be shoving. No lift. No full weight. No driving.

Again I believe the key is going to wrapping up the QBs arms so that no forward motion can occur. It's going to be a pin the arms and shove move.

I think this illustrates the type I'm talking about

Houston Texans QB Matt Schaub gets sacked by a shove - YouTube

SFIAH

fhotard · 09-20-2018, 10:07 AM

They should also make it an automatic "unsportsmanlike" penalty for a QB to start a fake slide.
I've seen it too many times where a QB will start to slide, defenders will start to pull up, then the QB abandons the slide, take two or three more steps, then slide for real.

Defenders will get heavily penalized for hitting a sliding QB, and a few QBs are exploiting that to gain yards unfairly.

K Major · 09-20-2018, 10:13 AM

Meh ...

Defenders might as well greet a QB with a hug, kiss and a balloon, then gently lay him down on the ground

.

But it's the "new NFL & rules" & I get it.

09-18-2018, 04:01 PM	#21
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09-19-2018, 11:56 AM	#22
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,672 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Two fines for roughing the passer cost Saints tackle David Onyemata more than Week 1 game check The NFL needs to chill on the QB contact rules. The helmet to helmet I get, excessively late hit I get, hitting a QB while he's sliding I get, but this "landing on the QB" and "picking up QB and driving him to the ground" and specific "target window" where you can hit a QB is just way too broad and the increased emphasis is ridiculous. If they are going to do all this then they need to also count two-hand touch on the QB as an automatic sack so the defense actually can do something again.

09-19-2018, 12:36 PM	#23
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Two fines for roughing the passer cost Saints tackle David Onyemata more than Week 1 game check Originally Posted by neugey The NFL needs to chill on the QB contact rules. The helmet to helmet I get, excessively late hit I get, hitting a QB while he's sliding I get, but this "landing on the QB" and "picking up QB and driving him to the ground" and specific "target window" where you can hit a QB is just way too broad and the increased emphasis is ridiculous. If they are going to do all this then they need to also count two-hand touch on the QB as an automatic sack so the defense actually can do something again. Chilling isn't going to happen. The NFL realizes that there's only about 15 guys on the planet that can play the position well, and that almost everything that brings fans into the games revolve around them. I saw an interview with Von Miller yesterday where he points out that QBs need to be upright for the game to survive. Defenders will learn new skills. And likely it'll look a lot like 2 handed touch. Sacks will likely turn into a combination of swatting the ball and shoving the QB off balance. The swat will ensure the ball cannot be delivered and hopefully cause a fumble and the shove to put the QB on his back and down without laying on him. Welcome to the new NFL. When QBs are being paid nearly $35 million a year and teams are dead without them, this is the new reality. SFIAH
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09-19-2018, 02:06 PM	#24
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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Two fines for roughing the passer cost Saints tackle David Onyemata more than Week 1 game check Originally Posted by ScottF make the fines a percent of the salary and see how quickly you see a difference Do you really want to make defenders hurt? Make it a percentage of the QB's salary. Then QB's will never get touched again. SFIAH

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,588 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Two fines for roughing the passer cost Saints tackle David Onyemata more than Week 1 game check Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Do you really want to make defenders hurt? Make it a percentage of the QB's salary. Then QB's will never get touched again. SFIAH We all get it but the "new rule" & the application of it stinks. At the end of the day, I guess the league got what they wanted. Allow a star QB another chance during the 2 minute drill with everything on the line. The new NFL needs to admit Matthews hit on Cousins was legal and move on.

09-19-2018, 03:28 PM	#27
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Two fines for roughing the passer cost Saints tackle David Onyemata more than Week 1 game check Originally Posted by K Major We all get it but the "new rule" & the application of it stinks. At the end of the day, I guess the league got what they wanted. Allow a star QB another chance during the 2 minute drill with everything on the line. The new NFL needs to admit Matthews hit on Cousins was legal and move on. Instead they're using it as an example of what not to do. In other words, please do not tackle the QB. K Major likes this.

09-20-2018, 10:07 AM	#29
fhotard 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 263	Re: Two fines for roughing the passer cost Saints tackle David Onyemata more than Week 1 game check They should also make it an automatic "unsportsmanlike" penalty for a QB to start a fake slide. I've seen it too many times where a QB will start to slide, defenders will start to pull up, then the QB abandons the slide, take two or three more steps, then slide for real. Defenders will get heavily penalized for hitting a sliding QB, and a few QBs are exploiting that to gain yards unfairly.

09-20-2018, 10:13 AM	#30
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,588 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Two fines for roughing the passer cost Saints tackle David Onyemata more than Week 1 game check Meh ... Defenders might as well greet a QB with a hug, kiss and a balloon, then gently lay him down on the ground . But it's the "new NFL & rules" & I get it.

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