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How is it an issue if we won the game. They have a very good defense. MT still scored 2 TD's. Kamara got his and Ginn hauled in a bomb. Not sure what else could have been done. So stop throwing to them and bring in a rookie and a not so confident CM? ok.

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It's an issue because we let a bad team stick around, a better team with an average kicker would have made us pay.

The offensive line allowed 3 3rd down sacks by the same player, if we don't get more people involved it will eventually bite us when Defenses figure out we only throw to Thomas and Kamara.

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If we follow the same game plan of feeding #13 and #41 then we can't count on their kicker to help us win the game. We have to convert on third downs and get touch downs more often than last year or this year either if we want to play post season football. That is why we took a chance on Coleman and have eased him into the game slowly.

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And why is it that you think Meredith is not confident? Where are you coming up with this stuff?

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The Browns are not a bad team. They have a damn good defense and some solid weapons. Evidence is they are not getting blown out by the likes of Antonio Brown and Ju Ju, Brees and Co. They are right on the edge of turning it around which they did this week.



They have a better record than us. They can hang with anyone.

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Where is the evidence. What you are concerned about is losing your stupid $20 bet. I never bet against him or for him. There is no evidence he will be involved in the offense other than a token catch or two. He is a non factor.

If you want to believe he is going to be some super WR2 then go right ahead. Nothing is saying that is going to happen. Go watch his highlights from over a YEAR ago. He was WIDE open because the team sucked. It was garbage time and they ignored him. None of what he did was in tight coverage. He also showed no blocking ability. If you want to ignore that then go ahead. Reality is he is healthy and still a non factor.

There are a couple of WR's ahead of him as of today. That is the reality of the situation. He can work out with the starters all he wants. It still has not manifested on the actual field. If it does not happen there then the closer you get to losing your bet. I'm done with this 5th WR nonsense if you think he is going to blow up then congrats. You won the lottery if that happens.

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You really never answered my question about why you are so sure he would not be confident.

Now, let's take on your argument that he is no good.

Excuse me? That make no sense whatsoever. If his team sucked it would be more likely that he wouldn't be open. I really don't remember the Bears being an offensive machine recently. Could it be he was wide open because he is able to run precise routes (which has been one of his accolades)?

It's hard to be a factor until he finally gets into the game. I really don't see any logical point here.

You may be right on this. Michael Thomas and marginally Ted Ginn. I have a feeling that Smith and Meredith will be firmly planted as the #2 and #3 before the season is over.

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I never thought I’d ever see a debate about whether or not we should get excited for Brees to have another weapon.

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Guido is on the verge of losing a bet. That is why he keeps pounding on it.

CM played on a garbage team. Most of his highlights are garbage time. I followed that effort and also the highlights. All garbage time. One TD, he did nothing but stand there and let it bounce off the helmet of another player. He didn't even move. Maybe that was his role, but he stood there. It went right into his hands.

End of the day he has done nothing going into week 3. ZERO. It's not any harder than that. Now, MI is about to be inserted. There is no path forward for CM or even Smith contributing beyond a catch or two barring injury which...is how CM got on the radar in the first place. It was not because of skill. A lot of people ignore that aspect. The Bears had nobody left.

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Wow!

You are way into hate for our free agent WR.

Settle down. Breath deep. God forbid Meredith comes in and actually produces. We may have to put you on suicide watch.

:D

I really don't get your hatred toward our new receiver. I have a simple bet saying that Meredith plays more than eight games. Big deal.

You at every possible opportunity posts that his is nothing more than a garbage time player.

What is your problem? Seriously.

:confused:

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My understanding is that he would start 8 games or more. Not just play so you have skin in the game on his success. I never make bets of that nature. You have an agenda.

I would like for him to have success but there is no room to do so. I have made this case very clear that there is no path forward for him to become anything more than a 1-2 catch guy.

He could emerge by some injury or something but other than that, with MI coming back, how is this suppose to happen? It's not possible. So they are going to stop throwing to MT and Kamara. That is not going to happen and you know it.

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In other words, you hope for his failure so I could possibly lose twenty dollars to The Dude.

Sorry, beastmode, but that's pretty sad.

Wait! Are you willing to bet that he will average less than THREE catches per game for the remainder of the season? You have proclaimed that he won't be "anything more than a 1-2 catch guy".

Put your $20 where your mouth is. I love this free money.

Well? Chicken?

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Definitely not a garbage time player. He runs good routes. He’s a big receiver. He has strong hands.

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Ignore that ****!

Real!

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Exactly. If SOMEONE doesn’t step up we won’t be winning many games against tough teams. Even when Ingram comes back we are going to need another receiver to step up and make them pay when a defense has Kamara, Thomas, and Ingram accounted for. They need to step it up NOW to relieve Thomas and Kamara. Defenses are going to learn how to cover them both.

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Watch his highlights. Every single catch he was wide open. Most of those were when they had no shot. Just garbage time.

Go watch it and see for yourself. I wish that was not the case but it is fact. He played for a bad team. Not only a bad team but one with a bunch of WR injuries. He was not even suppose to be in that role. Maybe 3rd or 4th WR at best. I want him to have success but I know the situation because I have been following him from day one of his career as a WR.

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With the Ginn drops, for sure not.

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Re: Saints trying to work Cameron Meredith into game plan for Falcons
 

Excuse me, but, isn't that the point for a WR? Trying to get open?

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Nobody cares if they are open when a team is 3-13. I'm not even sure what he is on the depth chart 4th or 5th WR? Going by yardage and grabs he would be 6th.

You still have 13 games though to win your bet with someone. He has to leap frog a couple WR's. Coach also said he wants to get Tre'Quan more involved so you would have to pull against Tre'Quan and Carr.

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You have to recognize what Meredith was brought here to play. He was signed to be a slot WR. He wasn’t signed to be a WR2 in the sense of the depth chart. Ted Ginn is the WR2 with TreQuan Smith backing him up. Austin Carr is the slot WR with Cameron Meredith poised to takeover the role we signed him for $5 million to fill. Austin Carr isn’t beating out a healthy Meredith. We see who got in the end zone on their first catch of the season.

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Are you seriously that dense? You are in a deep state of denial, Beast. He was in there on our offense the very first snap of the game. I'm pretty sure there weren't four other WR's on the field along with Meredith. He has more TD receptions than Tre'Quan and Carr combined in two fewer games!

:rolleyes:

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End of the day you still have to hope for the failure of Smith and Carr to win your bet. I don't care if you win or not but you have to root against other players.

All I know is he is still way down on the depth chart as I stated he would be, before the season which was my only point, even if healthy which he is. He is not going to be the WR2 as was suspected at some point in the season which most were hailing him. MI will also pilfer some throws from him.

What is really helping him is we have to throw 400 yards a game just to stay in it because the D sucks so bad. Things are looking up for him right now but when MI returns it's over with. We won't be airing it out that much anymore.

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First of all, I'm not just pulling for Meredith because of some silly bet. Quite the opposite. I made the bet because I know Meredith was brought in to be the slot receiver in the offense. He has already supplanted Carr in that role. You refuse to accept the obvious for some insane reason.

And where do you get the idea he is "way down on the depth chart"? On your private depth chart, maybe. Or did you hear that in one of the coaches' meetings that you attend?

:roflmao:

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Yes he has one catch that was a TD. He is our W2. He's kill'in it. I would say it was Carr or Tre'Quan but they only have a single catch with no TD. Ginn doesn't count at all because, let's face it, he's just Ginn. And toss out Kamara because he's technically a RB.

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Beastmode -

I'm slightly curious as to why you are so hell bent out of shape in seeing a player coming off a serious knee injury fail in New Orleans?

I can understand the hate for Julio (he's the enemy for the hated Failures) but why a guy who is on our team contributing (see TD) ?

Michael Thomas needs help - you know, kind of like that how Sanu & Ridley (4 combined TDs yesterday) helps JJ? Those guys take a ton of pressure off the #1 WR.

You can't expect Thomas to catch 15 passes every Sunday.

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I don't want to see CM fail. Just getting tired of the reports, even before the season that he was going to step in and that was that. He is a project. They all are projects. Nobody has emerged to fill that role. Last week Peyton said he needs to get Tre'Quan more work....it's a shaky situation, even if CM had no injury it would still be shaky. We are going into game 4 with no real horse in front. I would not at all be surprised if this continues the rest of the season.

It looks more situational dependent is the only thing I can make of it. Each are good at a specific things. Carr is shifty, Tre'Quan, one on one jump baller, CM, big GL target.

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^^^ Gotcha.

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A player with 66 catches for 888 yards and 4 TDs is not a project. Carr and Smith may be projects, but the Saints signed Meredith with a specific role in mind and film proving his skill set.

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I think Beastmode just can't admit to being wrong. Its a very common thing.

People on NFL boards get wrapped up in all the off season garbage and imagine themselves to be competent GM's. The emotional investment in their imaginary expertise spills over into this sort of rancor during the regular season when the ACTUAL team management does something that doesn't jive with the imaginary brilliance on the boards.

Tiring to say the least but it isn't going to stop anytime soon.

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Exactly! I don't get this "project" and "garbage time player" rhetoric. Meredith has 78 career receptions, 1019 career yards and four career TD's.

Tre'Quan Smith and Austin Carr have FOUR career receptions, 63 career yards and ZERO career TD's ... COMBINED!

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You nailed it, gumbeau.

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On a 3 win team. Is CM better than Pryor? He had over 1,000 yards that season and look how that turned out. Another situation of a bad team with one WR that gets all the mop of targets they want. Hurns, same thing.

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Pryor and Hurns never showed a propensity for route running, nor were they slot receivers. We can watch the film. Meredith runs good routes. Meredith has strong hands. Meredith has good speed for his size. Hurns would be a pretty good in our offense as well. And even in the instance of Pryor, I wouldn’t call him a project after a 1,000 yard season.

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Just keep repeating the same old lame logic over and over again. As long as you believe it ... which I doubt. I'll guarantee you that almost everyone else thinks it's crap. Meredith was brought in for one reason and one reason only, to take over the slot duties and he has already been a success in doing that.

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It will be clear in the next 3-4 weeks how things will shake out. Notice I did not revert to name calling or laughing at you. I also don't make bets hoping for other players to fail which you did. If you lose the bet I also will not laugh at you. It's petty and just not what I do. I look at the facts and accept them. 3 games in and Carr, Smith and CM each have one single catch. If you want to call CM the winner and superior talent then go right ahead. I don't know who will win the job right now. That is exactly what I said at the beginning of the season and is exactly what happened. He is also not the WR2. That would be Ginn. It's actually Kamara but technically it is Ginn.

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I don't know where you got it in your mind that I have ever hoped for Smith or Carr to do bad. Hell, I hope they score a TD every time they happen to see the field. That has nothing to do with the bet that The Dude and I have. I had been touting Meredith LONG before that bet (which is really none of your business) was even considered. I have no need, or desire, to pull against ether player. Once again, faulty thinking on your part. Meredith was signed as a free agent to be the starting slot receiver and that's exactly what he was in his first game.

Yes, three games in, but only one game for Meredith and that catch produced a crucial TD. I have little doubt we'll be seeing more of the same for the remainder of the season.

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I don’t get where Beast is coming from. To say we don’t need more receivers on the field producing is stupid. I just don’t think Meridith is the answer. He had one reception that was a TD. I’m happy for him and wish him the best. I hope he is great for us but I don’t see it happening.

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I don't get it either. Although, you and I differ on our opinion of Meredith, we both just want what's best for the team. And in my opinion, Meredith is going to continue being the primary slot receiver for the remainder of the season. That was the whole reason he was signed in the first place.